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August 2, 2009 3:50:00 PM

Could you guys help me, I am trying to build a rig for gaming, work & multimedia for under $750 using the following parts. Can you help me get the prices down using equivalent parts & what do you thing about these compatibility.


CPU- $189.99 AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor

Case- $169.99 Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

HARDRIVE- $84.99 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

RAM- $199.00 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D - Retail

MOBO- $109.99 GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

PSU- $119.99 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply – Retail

GPU- $159.99 XFX GX260NADFF GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI

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August 2, 2009 4:07:06 PM

Where are you buying from? What resolution monitor are you using? First thing i see is first the dominators are a rip off and you dont want a triple channel kit for an AMD build you want 2 ram sticks for dual channel for the performance boost and those wont work anyway because the board and processor you selected are DDR2. Change the motherboard, processor, and graphics card for these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It saves you 60, then get this kit, it saves you $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 2, 2009 4:51:03 PM

Hunter, link only hits the x4 945, was this what you were trying to point out?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

I prefer this ram set cuz it is requires less voltage. Performance would be the same
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Other cost cutting options:
If you are going AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU, step down to 650w. It will still do multi GPUs in future builds if you need it to, but SLI isn't possible on an AM3 platform. The 4870 1gb will have similar peformance to the GTX 260s.

$90 silverstone:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$90 Corsair:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What's up with over 20% of your budget going into the case alone? Lots of great quality cases at the $100 price point. Even down to the $75 if you want to really shave some off.

Antec 900 and EA650 PSU $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With an optical, you'll be just over $750. The other monkey wrench is the OS. Do you have one?

Are you overclocking? If so, you'll want to work in a good HSF too.
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August 2, 2009 5:35:15 PM

hunter315 said:
Where are you buying from? What resolution monitor are you using? First thing i see is first the dominators are a rip off and you dont want a triple channel kit for an AMD build you want 2 ram sticks for dual channel for the performance boost and those wont work anyway because the board and processor you selected are DDR2. Change the motherboard, processor, and graphics card for these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It saves you 60, then get this kit, it saves you $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


All is from New Egg & I have new Sony Bravia 32" LCD (I think it is an 720 resolution) I was going to use for now. Do you think the Sony will work for an monitor until I can get one.

Yes it looks like the Phenom II X4 945 is a better buy, but OZ have bad reviews on New Egg
August 2, 2009 5:48:53 PM

skora said:
Hunter, link only hits the x4 945, was this what you were trying to point out?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

I prefer this ram set cuz it is requires less voltage. Performance would be the same
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Other cost cutting options:
If you are going AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU, step down to 650w. It will still do multi GPUs in future builds if you need it to, but SLI isn't possible on an AM3 platform. The 4870 1gb will have similar peformance to the GTX 260s.

$90 silverstone:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$90 Corsair:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What's up with over 20% of your budget going into the case alone? Lots of great quality cases at the $100 price point. Even down to the $75 if you want to really shave some off.

Antec 900 and EA650 PSU $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With an optical, you'll be just over $750. The other monkey wrench is the OS. Do you have one?

Are you overclocking? If so, you'll want to work in a good HSF too.



This my first build & my 2nd computer ever owned, so I am a complete rookie. I am doing alot of reading up on builds trying to catch up. So thanks for all help & info. All I want to is get computer & upgade as needed.

No OS & will have to buy XP, if only I can get all the parts for under $750

On the case, I like the ability to upgade at a later date & the room to make build easier & yes I will OC at an later date
August 2, 2009 6:06:45 PM

I agree with them, especially on not spending so much of your budget on the case. The Antec case + EA-650 PSU skora linked would be good in that build.
If you think you will want to run two graphics cards in the future, switch to an ATI card, since you can only use Crossfire, not SLI.
August 2, 2009 6:55:42 PM

Onus said:
I agree with them, especially on not spending so much of your budget on the case. The Antec case + EA-650 PSU skora linked would be good in that build.
If you think you will want to run two graphics cards in the future, switch to an ATI card, since you can only use Crossfire, not SLI.


My only thing is, if I want to up grade with more stuff at a later date & the case is to small I will have to buy another case, remove everthing from the mid case & reinstall in the new full case.

Good point on the G-cards.

This is what I will end up with, you guys agree?

CPU- AMD HDX945FBGIBOX
MoBo- MSI 790FX-GD70
G-card- Sapphire Technology Limited 100267L
Ram- G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB)
Case & PSU- Antec Nine Hundred + EA650
H.D.- SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB 7200 RPM

Is there anything I am missing
August 2, 2009 7:04:59 PM

You should have no problem with Crossfire in that case. Nothing is missing. There are "different" choices I'd make (e.g. I don't care for MSI), but that's just nit-picking. Have fun with your build.
August 2, 2009 7:26:26 PM

You'll need a DVD burner unless you're using one from your old system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

That will put you around $775, is that fine for your budget or is there trimming yet to do? And to clear this up, is the OS outside this budget or does it need to be included also?

Jtt283, with the egg axing all the combos, the MSI mobo is one of the few available and is a nice discount with the cpu and gpu. It will do the job at stock speeds and once overclocking starts, will still be a good performer.

Not sure how much upgrading options you want on your case. Even a mini case (not recommending it for this build) can handle dual GPUs and have room for extra drives. The P180 from antec can sport 8 drives and right now you only have 2. So a mid case will do just fine for upgradeablity and cooling. The antec 300 is only 1.4 inches shorter than the 900 and holds the same 9 drives with 7 expansion card slotsf. So if you do need to shave a little more off, then look at the antec 300 case with the ea650 PSU. $155.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
August 2, 2009 7:27:03 PM

Onus said:
You should have no problem with Crossfire in that case. Nothing is missing. There are "different" choices I'd make (e.g. I don't care for MSI), but that's just nit-picking. Have fun with your build.


What would recommend for a MoBo?
August 2, 2009 7:34:09 PM

If you step up to a Gigabyte or Asus board, you'll have to sacrifice elsewhere. MSI is a capable board and good for general overclocking. I doubt you'll get into extreme overclocking where the gigabyte and asus boards will start to show a little better performance.

Now when you go to buy if its not soon, then the combos will change and there may be opportunities for different mobos. When is the purchase date?
August 2, 2009 7:37:18 PM

skora said:
You'll need a DVD burner unless you're using one from your old system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

That will put you around $775, is that fine for your budget or is there trimming yet to do? And to clear this up, is the OS outside this budget or does it need to be included also?

Jtt283, with the egg axing all the combos, the MSI mobo is one of the few available and is a nice discount with the cpu and gpu. It will do the job at stock speeds and once overclocking starts, will still be a good performer.

Not sure how much upgrading options you want on your case. Even a mini case (not recommending it for this build) can handle dual GPUs and have room for extra drives. The P180 from antec can sport 8 drives and right now you only have 2. So a mid case will do just fine for upgradeablity and cooling. The antec 300 is only 1.4 inches shorter than the 900 and holds the same amount of stuff. So if you do need to shave a little more off, then look at the antec 300 case with the ea650 PSU. $155.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


To many decision

Yes the OS should be included in the budget, any suggestion

Is that PSU going to work. I heard alot bad things about cheap PSU & frying everything.
August 2, 2009 7:38:19 PM

Gigabyte and Asus have good reputations. I also like ASRock, but some others around here may not. Second-guessing and nit-picking can go on for months, so try to ignore it.
Skora's right about all the combos, but Newegg may come up with more over the next week or so; it may be worth the wait. In the grand scheme of things, 5%-10% of the build price isn't that big a deal, but some of their combos are really nice.
August 2, 2009 7:42:57 PM

skora said:
If you step up to a Gigabyte or Asus board, you'll have to sacrifice elsewhere. MSI is a capable board and good for general overclocking. I doubt you'll get into extreme overclocking where the gigabyte and asus boards will start to show a little better performance.

Now when you go to buy if its not soon, then the combos will change and there may be opportunities for different mobos. When is the purchase date?


Within the next 2-3 weeks. The Gigabyte is what I really want & had originally, but I may have to settle for MSI :( 
August 2, 2009 7:44:27 PM

I've never read a bad competent technical review of any Antec PSU; they aren't among the cheap generics, and are a notable exception to the adage you may have heard about not trusting PSUs that come with a case. My primary rig has some "decent" parts in it, but I get the most satisfaction from knowing that an Antec SG-650 is powering it. My secondary rig has an Earthwatts 380 in it, and that's all it needs.
August 2, 2009 7:50:37 PM

I can't fault MSI for functionality. My concern is reports from people with a lot of experience with them who reported high rates of failure. Much of that was five or more years ago, and may no longer be relevant, but for me it takes a while for that taint to wear off. They're all using solid capacitors now, multiple phases on their VRMs, and good chipset heatsinks. Honestly, if I found a MSI board that had the closest match to the features I wanted, I'd probably give them a shot.
August 2, 2009 7:51:50 PM

See what I mean about second-guessing and nit-picking? Lol, at worst, you may have to deal with a RMA, but Newegg is quick with those.
August 2, 2009 7:58:47 PM

Dirty Durden said:
To many decision

Yes the OS should be included in the budget, any suggestion

Is that PSU going to work. I heard alot bad things about cheap PSU & frying everything.


Get a bigger budget :lol:  Just kidding. But that does pose the problem of cutting $110 out. That will get you vista with Win 7 upgrade free.

We have a good start on what you want, so I'd say in the two days before you buy, repost so we can all help find the best combos. Also could help if you use the format in the sticky and most of the questions we asked would be answered up front.


August 2, 2009 7:59:23 PM

On the monitor issue, I have a new 32" sony Bravia LCD (I think it is 720 Res.). Will this work for a monitor until I can buy one.
August 2, 2009 8:05:38 PM

Dirty Durden said:
On the monitor issue, I have a new 32" sony Bravia LCD (I think it is 720 Res.). Will this work for a monitor until I can buy one.


Yeah, the problem with big displays and low resolutions is the image seems stretched. Make sure the GPU you get has HDMI out or at least comes with an adapter as most do unless they are a low cost manufacture. Also, the 4870 1gb will have no trouble feeding a signal to that unit. If that was the all you were ever going to use, its overkill. But if you're going to get a monitor in the next year, stick with the 4870. If not, it would be better to save some cash now and get a smaller GPU. Save the money for when you do have a monitor and can get better tech at that time.
August 2, 2009 8:05:59 PM

You will never go wrong with EVGA, ASUS, or Gigabyte motherboards. preferably gigabyte, due to their ultra-durable series mobos. they are just awesome.

also, for extreme budget pc's, foxconn is turning out to be a very nice manufacturer, maybe not for ultra-overclocking, but they are pretty nice motherboards. they used to be rather cheap, but they arent bad anymore.

ASrock isnt preferred, i really dont like them. asrock and supermicro.

ECS is another decent company, foxconn is better for mid-range mobos, but ecs isnt bad.


a few good mobo companies include XFX, msi, and biostar.

stay clear of dfi, asrock, zotac, pcchips, powercolor, and jetway. i would say foxconn, but they are really not bad anymore. pretty decent actually.
August 2, 2009 8:08:27 PM

a good extreme-budget build is:
-Phenom 2 x2 550 BE processor
-gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
-G.Skill 1600 mhz ram
-western digital blue 320gb for 50 bucks (or wd black 500 gig, for 70 bucks, black is 20% faster)
-Corsair tx650w psu (i have it, its awesome. so stable, and for 100 bucks)
-Antec 900 or cooler master cm-690 (i have the cm690, get the antec 900 if you dont mind 20 more bucks) [or you can go with the antec 300/ea650w psu combo deal, great case and good psu.]
-windows vista 64-bit obviously
-any disc drive
-dont forget to pick up some blue led case fans! :D 


the motherboard might seem crappy, for 80 dollars. not true. when i first saw it, i thought, "man 80 bucks, i bet its a *** mobo" but i read up on it, and the only things it doesnt have when compared to the 790gx and 790x board is:
-no onboard graphics
-no raid 5 support
- only 1 pcie 2.0 x16 slot (cant run dual gpu graphics cards! dont get a 4870 x2 or gtx 295.)


I would get this over a 790gx mobo if you arennt going to crossfire, and wont need backup graphics, because you have an extra gfx card.
this motherboard has ACC, just like the 790gx mobo's, which enables CORE UNLOCKING ON THE P2X2 550! (not to mention the x3 720)
it is rumored that since this mobo has the sb710 chipset, it cant unlock cores. the difference between the sb710 and sb 750 south bridge is that the sb750 has raid 5 support. that is it.

these are all quality parts, and can be really trusted.
August 2, 2009 8:09:00 PM

Thanks for all the info, I will take Skora advice repost in a couple weeks. Shora "use the format in the sticky" what are talking about
August 2, 2009 8:19:56 PM

The top 3 threads in the homebuilt system are stickies. Information you should check out before asking questions. One can answer lots of questions about picking parts, one for how to ask help on troubleshooting builds and has resources linked in, and one is a standardized format to ask for help with builds.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

August 3, 2009 12:07:29 AM

Just make sure, to get full use of 4plus gigs of ram to get a 64 bit OS

You can download and use the beta version of windows 7, if your interested in testing it out.

I am in the same situation and price point, looking at that same combo deal, with mobo cpu and gpu.

For a Power supply, with room to upgrade to two of those video cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For a case, with plenty of room to grow, and good air flow design.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For a HDD to just get started... until you can save a little more for a secondary storage drive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and then just throw in a dvd burner if you need
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think this prices out to just under $760, plus shipping.

Plenty of room to grown, I am going to try out the WIndows 7 beta when I build it, just for the fun of it, and gives me time to save for a full version OS, Might also play with a few linux set ups.. just to play with them until I get some more money.

Also another quick easy upgrade would be another 4 gigs of RAM when you get a little money, at $75 you cant beat that RAM
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