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August 2, 2009 7:54:31 PM

ok ive been reading ALOT on building my next gaming rig and im torn between the phenom II x4 955 BE or the i7 920 so im going to let you decide. Money is not an option.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (Building this week: 1500 Budget but obviously want to stay cheap)
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (Gaming and Blu ray nothing else)
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: I dont need Monitor, Keyboard, Case, CPU Cooler, HDD or Drives
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: i want to stay newegg or zipzoomfly
PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type: doesnt atter as long as its good
OVERCLOCKING: Yes / No / Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: YES (Not sure if i need Crossfire or SLI because of my Resolution)
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 acer h233h 23inch


Phenom II x4 955 Build:

OCZ OCZ3P16004GK 4GB PC3-12800+ (DDR3-1600+) DDR3 Memory
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AMD 790X AM3 Phenom II Socket AM3 5200 MT/s PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX Motherboard
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

AMD HDZ955FBGIBOX Phenom II x4, Black Edition 3.2Ghz,8MB Cache,125W,45nm 3.20 GHz AM3 4 x 512KB
Processor
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

ANTEC EA650 EarthWatts Series 650W SLI Active Power Supply
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Estimated Subtotal $480.38

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i7 Build

ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
216527Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920
216527OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK
216527Intel Intel BunnyPeople Gift - OEM Free with purchase!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Antec EA650 650W Continuous Power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$657.96

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August 2, 2009 8:13:44 PM

What GPU do you have picked out. AMD AM3 boards won't do SLI, so if you're nvidia and want the option of multi GPUs, then the i7 is your only choice. If its an ATI card, then the 955 would be more than enough for gaming. A suggestion would be choose a 790FX board instead of the X for better crossfire performance.
August 2, 2009 8:21:26 PM

I would go for the i7 since the price difference is so little, if you OC the i7 it will outperform the 955 in every task, but i would suggest a different PSU, like the corsair 750tx so you can crossfire in the future.
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August 2, 2009 8:37:07 PM

sorry i thought i put the gpu i have in there. right now im running a HIS 4850 512. I want to reuse the GPU to save money for DX11 cards. also is crossfire even worth it at 1920x1080 from what ive been told its not and its overkill at my res
August 2, 2009 8:43:24 PM

Crossfired 4850s would do well at 1920x1080. Its a bit of a stretch to ask one 512mb card to do that on high settings. They are available for $90 amir. I'd see what you're new system can do whichever you choose, and if you want some more GPU power, its a good performance/price upgrade. Especially not knowing when dx11 will actually hit.
August 2, 2009 8:47:22 PM

well. in Crysis from one 4850 @ 700MHz to two 4850's @ 650MHz, my fps on the first level went from about 15fps in big firefights to more like 24fps.

and the settings I was using was max settings with 0xAA @ 1900x1200, although I'm sure if you had dual GTS250's you could get 4xAA at that res.
August 2, 2009 9:04:46 PM

right i already understand and know wht im up against with crysis on the 4850. im just asking with the 2 systems wich one is BEST for gaming. i might concidercrossfire 4850's. from what ive read crossfire isnt doing so good in gaming.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/sapphire...

the link above shows Crossfire 4850's and it shows how much they lack compared to a single 4850
August 2, 2009 9:52:28 PM

4lc4pon3 said:
ok ive been reading ALOT on building my next gaming rig and im torn between the phenom II x4 955 BE or the i7 920 so im going to let you decide. Money is not an option.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (Building this week: 1500 Budget but obviously want to stay cheap)
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (Gaming and Blu ray nothing else)
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: I dont need Monitor, Keyboard, Case, CPU Cooler, HDD or Drives
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: i want to stay newegg or zipzoomfly
PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type: doesnt atter as long as its good
OVERCLOCKING: Yes / No / Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: YES (Not sure if i need Crossfire or SLI because of my Resolution)
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 acer h233h 23inch


Phenom II x4 955 Build:

OCZ OCZ3P16004GK 4GB PC3-12800+ (DDR3-1600+) DDR3 Memory
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AMD 790X AM3 Phenom II Socket AM3 5200 MT/s PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX Motherboard
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

AMD HDZ955FBGIBOX Phenom II x4, Black Edition 3.2Ghz,8MB Cache,125W,45nm 3.20 GHz AM3 4 x 512KB
Processor
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

ANTEC EA650 EarthWatts Series 650W SLI Active Power Supply
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Estimated Subtotal $480.38

*************************************************************

i7 Build

ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
216527Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920
216527OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK
216527Intel Intel BunnyPeople Gift - OEM Free with purchase!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Antec EA650 650W Continuous Power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$657.96

If your will be using only Crossfire, then the Phenom II x4 955 Build would do. But, the i7 Build you posted will let you do Crossfire or SLI and it it easy to OC if you wish. Would suggest you also get an Aftermarket CPU Cooler for both.

These two will work fine.

Scythe Mugen II and Xigmatek Dark Knight.

Hope this answer your question.
August 2, 2009 9:56:32 PM

yes so its going to be my choice LOL i was going to use this aftermarket cooler. COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520
August 2, 2009 10:01:50 PM

That article is less than a week from being a year old. Drivers have come a long way to help the scalability of multi gpu setups. Its still not double and never will be, but better than +7 fps.

As far as the BEST system for gaming, the i7 will be the BEST. Now, the best is only a slight margin better in gaming than the AMD 955. Since all you're doing is gaming and movie viewing (not a consideration since the gaming criteria will cover the bluray,) then the AMD will perfrom VERY WELL and you save some money. Study this recent article that puts the two head to head and look at Don's conclusion. AMD can hang for gaming, but if money's not an issue and you do more than gaming, then look to the i7.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,23...
August 2, 2009 10:01:53 PM

well maybe u can asnwer this question do you like nvidia cards or ati cards better who is always top of their game. thanks for the link always up for a good read and ot answer you ? money is no issue and no i will not be doin anything but gaming and bluray period.
August 2, 2009 10:15:12 PM

I have a 4850 myself. It dominates everything except crysis at 1280x1024. When I bought, it was the king of card for price/performance and that's what I based my decision on.

While I think ATI is a much better value than nvidia, I do think nvidia is doing the right things to add extra value to their cards. Mainly in "The Way Its Meant To Be Played." PC gaming takes a long time for the software to utilize the hardware tech advances. But the proactive approach and support Nvidia gives code writers is accellerating the process, but for just their cards. ATI is way behind the power curve on Havok and licensed support for coders. When have you seen the dragon insignia on any game startup? They will recover, but its just like AMD and the phenom 1s, they were behind the power curve and couldn't compete. Even with price cuts, they couldn't gain market share. It took the phenom IIs to crack the CPU fortress intel had made. Since software still isnt using all the power of quad cores, AMD can compete even though intel is already on their next gen CPU. See, I'd come around to making sense eventually. So right now, if a single card solution is good, or you can afford the i7 platform, I like nvidia better. The GTX 275 is an awesome card where the 1920x1080 crowd should look.
August 2, 2009 10:26:52 PM

At $1500 its a coin toss

The i7 is more powerful as a processor , and your budget is large enough for an i7 build and a GTX295 [ or a pair of GTX 275 or ATI 4890's]

You wont need all that processor power for gaming though . What you need is graphics card power for gaming and especially high quality settings .

The Phenom 955 with the GTX 295 [ or a pair of 4890's ] may produce a better gaming experience because some reviewers have found that the minimum FPS on these cpu's is stays higher than on i7 rigs .. But then again with that budget and monitor resolution this is not going to be a huge issue
Keep in mind that conventional LCD's refresh at 60 HZ , or 60 fps . It doesnt matter if you make a computer that can run a game at 100 fps because you will never see it .
The other thing to consider is that the GTX and 48XX radeons are quite old cards if you consider the history of the industry . A new generation cant be far away for both companies , as they move to DX 11 and attempt a die shrink . Ati will manage better with the die shrink , nVidia might not be able to do that for the next generation .

All told , given the limited use of the PCI'd go
790 FX mb
955 phenom
2 x 2 gig of RAM
and a single 4890

If you dont get the performance you hoped for then put out the cash for a second 4890 , or wait a few months and buy into the next generation of gfx cards

August 2, 2009 10:33:08 PM

yeah i got you and i was just thinking that myself. i have a friend who runs an i7 with one single 260 but he paid so much for it that. to me i do have the cash but i dont really want to spend it all. i want to be able to invest in other things for my pc. im gonna put together a 955 build and see where that leaves me.

thanks for all the advice i will switch up the mobo to the fx
August 2, 2009 10:34:59 PM

now on the PSU what would you go with if running 2 cards and what about a 4870x2
August 2, 2009 10:38:29 PM

While this is a debate for a different forum section, Outlander, will Nvidias next gen be able to increase perfromance by higher bit DDR5 ram? ATI has basically financed the build up to get to economies of scale. If they can use their knowldege of high bit buses with DDR5, they should be able to compete with ATI.
August 2, 2009 10:40:00 PM

Two 4890s will be fine on 650w, but a 750w is prefered since it will come with 4x pcie power connectors where most 650s don't. If you are thinking about a pair of 4870x2s or GTX 295s, I think 850w is the min you should consider.
August 2, 2009 10:47:37 PM

just wondering wouldnt 2 4890's be overkill on 1920x1080?
August 2, 2009 10:59:44 PM

4lc4pon3 said:
just wondering wouldnt 2 4890's be overkill on 1920x1080?



yes

and so would a 4870 x2 , a gtx 295 and an SLI pair of GTX 275's , but theyre all possible in your budget

Thats why I'd stick with a single 4890 for now , and see if you get the performance you need .
At 1080p I think a 4890 will max out every current game , except crysis , at very playable frame rates
August 2, 2009 11:04:50 PM

What about him waiting for the next gen GPU and just CF a second 4850 for now? That's probably what I'd do.
August 2, 2009 11:11:47 PM

skora said:
What about him waiting for the next gen GPU and just CF a second 4850 for now? That's probably what I'd do.



Very good idea

Thats should be comfortably more powerful than a single 4890 and cost about $90 for the gfx upgrade


August 2, 2009 11:30:13 PM

i dont think i want to do that. the HIS 4850 turbo that matches my card is 125 dollars for that price id rather just fork out for a 4890
August 2, 2009 11:57:58 PM

ok this is the build i have at zipzoomfly

i cannot do this build at newegg it just cost 2 much. almost 100 bucks more


CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX 750W Power Supply Retail 1 $109.59
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

OCZ OCZ3P16004GK 4GB PC3-12800+ (DDR3-1600+) DDR3 Memory Retail 1 $79.90
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

MSI 790FX-GD70 AMD 790FX AM3 Phenom II/Athlon X4/Athlon X3/Athlon X2 Socket AM3 5200 MT/s PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX Motherboard Retail 1 $169.99
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

HIS H489F1GP Radeon HD 4890 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express x16 (2.0v) Video Card Retail 1 $189.99
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

AMD HDZ955FBGIBOX Phenom II x4, Black Edition 3.2Ghz,8MB Cache,125W,45nm 3.20 GHz AM3 4 x 512KB Desktop Processor Retail 1 $199.99
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

617014 Wheelman PC DVD 1 Free Gift

Estimated Subtotal $749.46
August 3, 2009 12:04:00 AM

and here is the i7 build

ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920
OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK
Intel Intel BunnyPeople Gift - OEM Free with purchase!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100269SR Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$872.95
August 3, 2009 12:07:30 AM

Any 4850 thats CF ready can be with any other. Doesn't have to be HIS. The MSI 4850 that's $90 amir is 640/1986. Your HIS would downclock to those speeds, or you could overclock the MSI to the 650/2000 which it should do without a hiccup.

If you're not opposed to shopping from both sites, this 750w silverstone is a great PSU for $90 amir.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 3, 2009 12:18:48 AM

been trying to keep everything at once site so it all comes in one shot but zip has better prices but doesnt have some of the things i want.
August 3, 2009 12:21:01 AM

I would do almost anything to avoid an intel bunny people gift


August 3, 2009 12:26:44 AM

haha
August 3, 2009 12:30:58 AM

the difference between newegg and zip for the 955 build is this
Newegg: $774.96
zip: $749.46

ive never done buisness with zipzoomfly what do you guys think of them
August 3, 2009 7:26:00 PM

im not sure about what im going to be doing here just because i looked at the list of so called Crossfire supported games and it seems that SLI has them beat by a huge margin. so i might end up going i7 920 style
August 4, 2009 2:03:12 AM

4lc4pon3 said:
just wondering wouldnt 2 4890's be overkill on 1920x1080?

Since the answer to this was yes, why would the answer change for 2x nvidia cards? There are plenty of single card GPUs that will dominate that resolution, and if you really feel like overspending, there are plenty of high end 2 GPUs on a single board options also. If you want bragging rights, go for the i7. If you want cost effective and maintain superior performance, get the 955 and a high end card.
August 4, 2009 3:19:24 AM

yeah ive already made up my mind on what im getting i will post it up in a min

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout
MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX
HIS H485QT512P Radeon HD 4850 512MB x2 (I already own 1 so im gonna crossfire it)
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
OCZ Intel Extreme Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm

Subtotal: $837.93

The reason im getting another 4850 is because i just bought this 4850 about 1 week ago. I can still return it for a refund but it was 89.99 with a free game and free shipping. If i return it i lose 30 dollars off the 89.99 because the game is registered then i lose 15% and I gotta pay shipping back so its not worth returning.
August 4, 2009 3:21:22 AM

I would suggest waiting a few days, check newegg regularly and buy when you spot a nice combo if you dont need everything immediately, i managed to save $100 on a $750 build by doing that.
August 4, 2009 3:27:49 AM

yeah im not ordering this right yet. there was a deal going on last week with the 955 and mobo combo way cheaper then being seperate but it expired so im waiting for the combo deal to come back before i order.

im all about saving money
August 4, 2009 3:32:02 AM

crazy question but would anyone here quad 4850's or is that just stupid
August 4, 2009 3:34:20 AM

It doesnt scale very well as you more up to trifire and quad fire, especially when in a couple months for the price of 2 more 4850s you will be able to get a single card that is atleast twice or three times as strong as a 4850.
August 4, 2009 3:42:01 AM

I would keep the corsair as it will allow you to upgrade to more powerful graphics solutions in the future, like the equivalent of what 2 4890s is now, its good to have a PSU you can keep for multiple builds like that corsair.
August 4, 2009 3:45:09 AM

well like i said the only reason im going with the second 4850 is because i currently own one and i was told my users on these forums and x2 4850s are better then 1 4890
August 4, 2009 3:47:05 AM

And they are, however in october the 5xxx series of ati GPUs will be coming out, you will be able to run 2 4850's on an EA650 and it would probably save you quite a bit.
August 4, 2009 4:15:48 AM

right and im still debating switching the PSU just to save some cash. its still up in the air at this moment
August 4, 2009 1:39:40 PM

so are u saying the antec ea650 isnt good enough and want me to spend more? i can do that but was told it was good enough. i understand where your coming from but i dont rely on mail in rebates. they take 2 long.
August 4, 2009 1:41:46 PM

also is the PSU you are showing me better then the CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX
August 4, 2009 2:16:26 PM

yay my heck came today. now to bring it to the bank woot. new system here i come
August 4, 2009 2:33:14 PM

What the check, you seem excited!

The antec is very capable. I offered up the silverstone to keep you at 750 if thats what you wanted and save some cash. Silverstone and Seasonic are two that don't get the same publicity at Corsair, but are on the same tier.
August 4, 2009 3:00:34 PM

yeah i am excited. try playing on a dualcore 4450e with 3gb ddr2 ram, his 4850 antec earthwatts 430. granted i can maxx almost all games but i cant even play gta iv at all even on the lowest possible settings nor can i play cryostasis but i can play crysis warhead on mainstream with some gamer settings smooth. its a killer upgrade for me.

i didnt really care wich PSU i went with i will prolly switch it up to a 750 anyways just to be safe when the new cards are released. only if i could build an i7 for the same price as the system im buying now i would do it but im getting 2 close on funds.
August 4, 2009 3:04:07 PM

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
HIS H485QT512P Radeon HD 4850 512MB
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000
MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
G.SKILL Trident 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Timing 8-8-8-21 Voltage 1.65V
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm

Subtotal: $837.93
August 4, 2009 3:08:22 PM

whenever i try to build an i7 i come up with this. its a tad bit over what i have left for funds. im bying my daughter a new bed so im stuck at about 900

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout
HIS H485QT512P Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366
ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX
OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

$945.93
August 4, 2009 5:44:51 PM

Well, if you get the Antec PSU, you'd only be $5 over since we're not using mir for decisions. Also, if you want to cut another $20 off, the antec 300 illusion has free shipping if you get the newegg email and only cost $70. Not that you need more options :p 
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