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August 4, 2009 9:11:07 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: within the next few weeks.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming - Mainly high end games - I would like to keep it up to $800 Max but the cheaper the better, but I am not on a tight budget.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitor I have an old 17" monitor that i will be using until i get a new mointor i am thinking a 21" or 22", within the next 2 months.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Right now i am mainly looking at newegg and tigerdirect

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type I decided on AMD Phenom II X3 BE and for all other parts please look down at my list.

OVERCLOCKING: I will overclock the CPU but not in the next few months. SLI yes: I am planning to get the second card within the next few months.

MONITOR RESOLUTION:
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: would like to get the most out of what i can afford.
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Hi all this my first build I have been doing research for the past 2 months and this is the list of parts i am thinking of getting:

EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Video Card - 896MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI, Dual DVI.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M4N72-E AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA nForce 750a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model VS4GBKIT800D2 G - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill Xtreme Series RX850-D-B 850W Continuous @40°C ,80 PLUS Certified, ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91, SLI Ready CrossFire Ready, Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XCLIO A380BK Fully Black SECC 1.0mm thickness ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Logitech EX 110 Black USB + PS/2 Standard Cordless Desktop Keyboard & Mouse Kit - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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As i mentioned above this is my first build so i am very open minded about this selection few things that i would like help on:

1. by looking at this list do you think there is room for trimming down the total price.

2. after reading Proximon thread "Guide to Choosing Parts" I have doubts about my selection of the motherboard. I really would like to have SLI configuration but Intel is way out of my budget so now i am considering 4870 1gb crossfire for the GPU so i have to consider another motherboard. What you guys think?

3. if i go with crossfire is it worth it to get AM3 DDR3 motherboard since this rout will be more expensive.

4. overall whats your critic of the list am i paying too much? am i getting the most out of my money?

Thanks
August 4, 2009 9:20:01 AM

1. Don't get a rosewill psu. Seriously man, buck up and spend some money on a quality PSU. If you want to SLI/Xfire grab a 750W unit from Corsair, SeaSonic, PC Power and Cooling, Antec (not the basiq line). If you don't want to SLI/Xfire look for something in the 550-600W range from the same people mentioned above.

2. Personally I wouldn't SLI with an AMD CPU, it's not illegal but it does seem wrong on some level.

3. You mentioned up top you wanted an AMD X3 BE, but you didn't chose the X3 720BE, the 710 will OC just fine, the but 720 will be much easier if you can afford it.
August 4, 2009 9:28:44 AM

Build looks good. I'm not familiar with that particular board, but I have heard a few good things about the 750a chipset.
I think AMD has a better solution with the 790GX/FX chipset though. If going that route, I would get one that can do ddr2 and ddr3.

Not sure about that power supply. Overall I like the build, although if buying a triple core I really don't see a reason to not get the X3 720BE.
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August 4, 2009 9:42:19 AM

own personal preference here but high end gaming on cordless? cordless cant beat the speed of a Wired mouse/keyboard
August 4, 2009 2:00:04 PM

i agree imagine in a heated FPS match and your batteries suddenly die that are in your mouse

stay away from that PSU brand and get a better brand

as for crossfire on AMD CPUs and mobo's i look into it to see if there are any performance issues since AMD owns ATI .
August 4, 2009 2:08:18 PM

4lc4pon3 said:
own personal preference here but high end gaming on cordless? cordless cant beat the speed of a Wired mouse/keyboard


the MS sidewinder X8 says different.
August 4, 2009 3:34:40 PM

Wireless mouse for gaming, no way. It is too funny to listen to people in vent when they are in the middle of doing something and they have to run around looking for batteries or have to stop to charge their mouse.
August 4, 2009 4:05:00 PM

Do NOT get that rosewill. I would suggest switching out to this cpu/motherboard/GPU combo, it saves you some money and gives you a better components.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
It forces you to switch up to DDR3 so it costs you slightly more but you get better parts all around.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would swap the PSU for this one, its slightly less powerful but provides enough power for 2 4870s and corsair makes much better PSUs than rosewill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

August 5, 2009 4:23:01 PM

So I followed some of your advices and this is my final list about $920 + $40 Shipping:

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XCLIO A380BK Fully Black SECC 1.0mm thickness ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBPI - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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I did more research on SLI and AMD and its just too much risk to take so i am going ATI. I will buy another 4870 within the next few months.

By looking at my list do you think a full case is a must? i can buy all these parts from zipzoomfly and save $40 on the shipping and about $40 on parts, but they don't have a full case within my price range they only have mid tower cases. would a mid tower case work just fine? Plus i kinda like the cooling of the case i picked.

going DDR3 did cost more on both the motherboard and the RAM, do you guys think its worth it? What do you think about my motherboard choice?

What are other areas you think i can save on by looking at my list.

Thanks a lot
August 5, 2009 4:30:01 PM

The build looks pretty good. Don't forget about Newegg combos. You can save $25 by combining the motherboard and OS.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Cases are a matter of personal taste. I, personally, like Antec cases. You can get a good deal on an Antec case by using combos if you're interested.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... (CPU + Antec 900 combo) $213.99

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... (CPU + Antec 902 combo) $223.95

I like your choice of going with DDR3 and that's a very nice RAM kit.
August 5, 2009 4:33:25 PM

man that's the weirdest case i ever saw
August 5, 2009 5:41:41 PM

captaincharisma said:
man that's the weirdest case i ever saw



I like it a lot, not just because the price, it looks like the back of a jet fighter.
August 5, 2009 6:33:05 PM

I have one. It was build by a Taiwanese company. It looks cool, and the the glowing big fans are nice. I also found many youtube videos on this case. They seem to boast their build with this case.
August 6, 2009 2:05:12 AM

I am about to purchase the parts, but since this is my first build i have no idea what do i need as far as tools (screws, screw drivers etc) to put this thing together and what kind of wires do i need to purchase if any ...

Also is it true that OEMs dont come with the necessary wires and screws and i have to buy them..

thanks
August 6, 2009 2:13:20 AM

As long as your case, processor, and motherboard are retail you have all of the parts you need. You can assemble the entire machine with a #2 Phillips screwdriver, the motherboard will come with the cables you need, the processor comes with the CPU cooler, and the case comes with the screws and standoffs you need.
August 6, 2009 9:10:45 AM

I am planning to get another 4870 and do Crossfire. After going over some of the reviews on the case that i have included in my list I am a little bit skeptical about this case so i can use another advice.

What would be the best case for Crossfire/SLi for about $100. I read alot on websites that if you want to get a crossfire or sli you better have full tower. is it really a must for Crossfire/Sli.

I can use any advice.

Thanks
August 6, 2009 10:07:32 AM

The 750W Corsair PSU is FANTASTIC! Highly recommended!
August 6, 2009 4:17:16 PM

jdbaker82 said:
The 750W Corsair PSU is FANTASTIC! Highly recommended!



Dude I asked about a CASE not a PSU. read my post again.
August 6, 2009 5:27:12 PM

i don't know. what case would be bigger than a full tower case? just read reviews on full size towers that would be the only way to decide
August 6, 2009 5:39:07 PM

^ a server case? or a Shed.
August 6, 2009 6:14:12 PM

i don't think he could find a server case for his budget though
August 6, 2009 7:12:12 PM

captaincharisma said:
i don't think he could find a server case for his budget though



Yeah i know that cases are a personal preference but my question was if i want to go Crossfire and the possibality of OC the CPU in the future ( see my list of parts above) do you think that a Full tower case is must?, or do you or anyone else recommend a mid tower case that can handle what i have in mind. Budget: max $100 about $70 will be ideal.

Thanks
August 6, 2009 7:48:05 PM

If you look at the dimensions you'll notice that a lot of manufacturers have blurred the line quite a bit between full towers and mid towers. To answer your question - no, a full size case is not required for a crossfire/SLI setup. There a quite a few mid tower cases that will easily house and cool an overclocked computer with 2 GPU's. Here's a few options:

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $99.99

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $69.99

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $89.99

The combo I posted above for the CPU + Antec 900 puts it into your price range.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
August 6, 2009 9:29:47 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
If you look at the dimensions you'll notice that a lot of manufacturers have blurred the line quite a bit between full towers and mid towers. To answer your question - no, a full size case is not required for a crossfire/SLI setup. There a quite a few mid tower cases that will easily house and cool an overclocked computer with 2 GPU's. Here's a few options:

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $99.99

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $69.99

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $89.99

The combo I posted above for the CPU + Antec 900 puts it into your price range.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...



hey man thanks a lot that was very helpful. I am going with the Cool Master 922. its looks really good with good reviews although it is fairly new but i have a good feeling about it plus it knocked out $30 of shipping costs.

This is my first build and 1 month ago the total was $1100, but after doing research and not restricting myself to one website i got it down to $820. here is my final list:

*CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX 750W Power Supply Retail

*AMD HDZ720WFGIBOX Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition 2.8Ghz Socket AM3 95W 2.80 GHz Desktop Processor Retail

*ASUS M4A78T-E AMD 790GX AM3 Phenom II/Athlon X4/Athlon X3/Athlon X2 Socket AM3 5200 MT/s PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX Motherboard Retail

*SAMSUNG SH-S223B 22X SATA DVD Burner Black Drive Bulk

*COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

*Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM

*SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported

*Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM

*Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 mhz PC3-10600 Desktop Memory


3 sites zipzoomfly, newegg, and buy. whoever gives free shipping and rebate is the winner. it saved me a lot.

Any last comments on the build before i make the purchase.





August 6, 2009 9:31:35 PM

The build looks very nice. Good job!
August 6, 2009 9:50:28 PM

good luck i love my 720 an sure you will love yours
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