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August 4, 2009 7:38:42 PM

Sorry for the overdramatic Thread title... XD

This is my first time choosing and building a PC. Some of the parts i am using are used.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week or next week.

BUDGET RANGE: $600-625 at most

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Net Surfing, Videos, Work, etc.etc.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:speakers, keyboard, mouse, monitor, cd-drive, dvd-drive, case

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg and mwave. i heard of tigerdirect, but i heard some bad things about them.

PARTS PREFERENCES: intel processor. others are not caring.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, If it's easy SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Not Necessary. Maybe if there is a huge performance gain.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: prefer 1600 x 1200 or 1600 x 900

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: CHEAAPP!!!! please. the more bang for buck the better. I'm hoping this system will allow me to play games like Mass Effect and Left4Dead1 or 2 at 1600x900 resolution with everything maxx. Will this work without lagg?

Thanks a lot!!!


Current Parts List:

XFX HD-487A-ZHFC Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P5Q SE PLUS LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HITACHI Deskstar P7K500 HDP725050GLA360 (0A35415) 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler (is this necessary?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


What would be a good power unit for this build?


I have an old computer case, no idea what it is, but will this suffice?





Thanks so much for your help!!
August 4, 2009 7:46:52 PM

We need a picture of the case straight in from the side, and also from the back. Is there a fan in the side?

I'm thinking you need a new case at this point. A good 500W PSU will work, but you may want to rethink your build and go with an AMD X3 720
August 4, 2009 7:52:13 PM

At that resolution the 4870 shouldn't have a problem squeezing 40fps or more easily your motherboard that you choose does not support sli but that is ok because you wont need it NOW but it is always a good idea to look into the future. You can get an SLI motherboard for an extra 30 dollars so try to look into that. Also as fo ryour cpu cooler the only way that is going to be relic=vant is if you are going to be overclocking but if you not save yourself 30$! Hopefully that helped you out!
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August 4, 2009 7:54:41 PM

Proximon said:
We need a picture of the case straight in from the side, and also from the back. Is there a fan in the side?

I'm thinking you need a new case at this point. A good 500W PSU will work, but you may want to rethink your build and go with an AMD X3 720

I also agree with proximon that you would probably get more bang for your buck going with amd instead of intel but its up to you
August 4, 2009 9:30:10 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I love this motherboard it is similar in price to your ASUS that you where going to use. Plus it supports crossfire.
and as for the case it is very simple at most you need to watch for good airflow and 30 dollars w/ a 500 watt psu sounds kind of weird just make sure you have enough power for crossfire if thats what you decide to do (500watts is not recommended for crossfire with a 4870) and that your psu has all the connectors you will need!
August 4, 2009 9:35:53 PM

ooooo that motherboard looks really nice!! thanks!!!

So then how do i choose a good psu with all the connectors? sorry for all the questions you guys are awesome. :o 
August 4, 2009 9:44:22 PM

Well to get a good psu just look at all the connections you may use like if you want to go xfire and each graphics card uses 2 6pin connectors (what the 4870 uses) you know you will need at least 4 6pin connectors. I would recommend going 650watt or higher if going xfire. if not then 500watt is good. give me a little bit to look and ill try to find a good psu. They do get pricey though. BTW r u interested in doing xfire?
August 4, 2009 9:56:49 PM

dorky24 said:

I have an old computer case, no idea what it is, but will this suffice?


That's a decent case but it won't work with the big cooler. It would work with the stock cooler. The problem is that the power supply mounts over the CPU, limiting you to low-profile coolers.
August 4, 2009 9:58:09 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I also feel that corsair makes high quality psu's but here is a little cheeper one at 90$ instead of 120$ it is Rosewill they are a little less known company but still a good company.

Here is an option for you if you don't decide to go crossfire
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
When you look at this psu you'll see that it is about half the price!
its not cheap doing crossfire sadly!
August 4, 2009 10:02:36 PM

Rosewill has a reputation as a pretty low-quality PSU manufacturer. I would never trust one of my systems to a Rosewill PSU.

The Apex PSU mentioned above is a POS. The little red voltage switch on the back is a dead giveaway. That means the PSU has no PFC correction and should be avoided at all costs unless you want your new system to go up in smoke.
August 4, 2009 10:09:24 PM

O I did not even know that! thank you for correcting me! What brand do you buy for your psu?
August 4, 2009 10:10:55 PM

another vote for corsair, that case might not be the best choice for cpus that run hot so try to keep the tdps low.
August 4, 2009 10:19:56 PM

okay, so the corsair psu looks great but is a little pricey. how is this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

so my current setup is this:

HITACHI Deskstar P7K500 HDP725050GLA360 (0A35415) 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM

GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 - Retail

AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

XFX HD-487A-ZHFC Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail


August 4, 2009 10:30:15 PM

i See nothing wrong with that power supply especially if you need to watch what you spend I can see how you might not want to go with the corsair psu.
August 4, 2009 10:39:23 PM

sweet thanks a lot!! you guys have been great!!
August 4, 2009 10:44:29 PM

The Kingwin is still a pretty low-end PSU. It's another one I would never trust a system to. A 72% efficiency rating is pretty low. If you can't afford a quality unit that will support crossfire you might want to just get a nice PSU that will easily power one graphics card for now.
August 4, 2009 11:12:04 PM

that case doesnt look well ventilated i have a very old pc sitting here and the cases almost look identical. i wouldnt use it myself.
August 4, 2009 11:19:40 PM

If you are really on a budget you can get an OCZ, but i would suggest this Antec PSU, the earthwatts are pretty good and not super expensive either
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For PSUs you should get one from Corsair, Antec, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, or OCZ, there are a few other brands that have good models, there are a couple of good cooler masters out right now with 80+ silver ratings but they are out of your price range.

Edit: nevermind the OCZ, that EA650 is cheaper than any of OCZs similarly powered offerings.
August 4, 2009 11:45:30 PM

4lc4pon3 said:
that case doesnt look well ventilated i have a very old pc sitting here and the cases almost look identical. i wouldnt use it myself.



Wouldn't? He can't use it with his selected CPU cooler.
August 4, 2009 11:50:13 PM

well the reason i say this is because i have a pc build inside a case like that even with stock cooler and once i put the sides on there basicly no ventilation at all.

would you use it with stock cooler?
August 4, 2009 11:55:02 PM

just keep the tdps low and ull be fine, the psu will pill enough air out, just dont go and put an i7 975 oc it to 4ghz, put 3 gtx285s in there and then complain about heat
August 5, 2009 12:17:16 AM

4lc4pon3 said:
well the reason i say this is because i have a pc build inside a case like that even with stock cooler and once i put the sides on there basicly no ventilation at all.

would you use it with stock cooler?


If I planned on using the stock cooler and not overclocking, I'd go ahead and use that case.

There are also several low-profile 120-140mm coolers that can fit. If you use one of those and flip the fan around in the "suck" direction, you can blow the heat directly into a power supply intake...so long as the intake is on the bottom of the power supply.
August 5, 2009 12:22:23 AM

wat he said^
August 5, 2009 3:25:02 AM

Well not sure if you have set yourself on any build yet, but I threw something together which may work, but I will tell you it relies on a newegg combo so it can change in price.

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDX945FBGIBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - MSI R4890-T2D1G OC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - OC Edition - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard - MSI K9A2 CF-F V2 AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Combo Total - $374.97

RAM - OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2G10664GK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$47.99

HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$74.99

PSU - OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$74.99

Case - COOLER MASTER Elite RC-332-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$49.99

Total before shipping - $622.93

With shipping it would be around $640, it also has $50 in rebates as well so this build would end up being around $590, you can switch around a few parts here and there, the case I just chose because it had free shipping. But as I said newegg combos change often, but hope this helps you out a bit :) 
August 5, 2009 3:50:14 AM

yeah
August 5, 2009 4:40:34 AM

That Asus 785G looks badass........From the heat-sinks to the ram slots.....

Asus really did a good job on the colors............
August 5, 2009 6:58:38 AM

you guys are bloody awesome!! that build looks great. thanks for all of your help!!!!
August 5, 2009 2:16:30 PM

glad we could help
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