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Comparison: Factory-Overclocked Versus Reference Graphics

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July 25, 2010 11:30:14 AM

i will buy a normal card with good cooling and overclock it.
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July 25, 2010 11:59:12 AM

Too less performance gain (4-5 FPS) for the too much extra price paid ($50-$70) along with too much increase in power consumption (30-40 W. Better to buy a reference card unless you want the best no matter what the price is.
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July 25, 2010 12:53:50 PM

I like the idea behind the article and I'm glad that there's been some testing done on it, but I don't really like the article itself.

There are references to how much the reference card is overclocked by, but there is no clear section about it, you started off with some of the summary charts, instead of putting them after the initial tests and you kept switching what cards you were comparing, with less warning than I would like..

Plus there's that 2GB 5850. Is that really a 2GB 5850, or is it actually 2GB 5830, because it kept getting beaten by the 1GB 5850..

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July 25, 2010 1:27:33 PM

When I buy a new GPU, I look for one who's reference clocks make it "good enough" as-is; but I do look for a better / quieter cooler.
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July 25, 2010 2:01:47 PM

great article but u should have compared the reference against the sapphire vapor-x
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July 25, 2010 2:31:28 PM

Quote:
In order to their products apart, third-party vendors take reference GPUs...


I'm guessing they meant "In order to SET their products apart..."
Seriously, it's the first sentence in the article. Does no one proof read anything here? Isn't that like the first thing you learn when you want to become a writer? Sorry, rant over.
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July 25, 2010 9:23:34 PM

"This cooling concept works pretty well, as it not only provides effective graphics component cooling, but it also helps to remove warm air from the inside of your PC. "

The reference 5870 has a vent on its side so, it doesn't completely remove the hot air from the case but recirculates a part of the hot air back into the case
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July 26, 2010 3:01:17 AM

It's a 5850, look how close the framerates are.
The amount of ram doesn't really matter at these resolutions.
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July 26, 2010 4:28:49 AM

The cards just do not offer enough gain. If you can afford the overclock edition at a premium, then save up a little more and get the next card up or buy two of the next lower cards. The $1000+ dual 5870 from Asus shows what a complete waste of money some, not all, super OC cards are.

Try this, put together a really really really premium card component wise, and then don't put any cooling on it. Let me decide what I am going to do for cooling and companies can save on packaging, shipping etc due to no cooler.

If your really aiming at the OC crowd and not just playing a game of marketing, then you know the first thing someone does is to rip off your factory cooler to replace it or at the very least put quality thermal compound on it.
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July 26, 2010 6:34:27 AM

I like this article, thanks tom.
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July 26, 2010 4:25:46 PM

jtt283When I buy a new GPU, I look for one who's reference clocks make it "good enough" as-is; but I do look for a better / quieter cooler.


Best suggestion, wait for the manufacture to slap on some after market cooling and pay the extra for something useful. It wasn't like this in the past, but now-a-days they like putting on HSF setups that do a relatively poor job.
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July 26, 2010 5:11:22 PM

You may not have noticed silicondoc, but this past year, NVIDIA really hasn't been bringing its A-game to the table, mostly trying to use marketing to make up for its failures...right now, Red really is performing better in a price/performance setting. There's really little that any honest individual can do to deny that, fan or Red OR Green...it's not Tom's Hardware that's falling down, it's NVIDIA at the moment. Maybe the next gen will be better, but no one knows yet.
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July 26, 2010 5:17:11 PM

kirillianThere's really little that any honest individual can do to deny that, fan or Red OR Green...


Edit: ...fan of Red OR Green...
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July 26, 2010 6:37:17 PM

I have started buying cards from vendors that warranty overclock like EGVA. I paid 159$ for a GTX 260 216 core after rebate well over a year ago, then when I am gaming I use the EVGA precision tool to overclock it to the higher priced cards core / shader speed.

Its funny because mine will do the exact speed as the factory "superclocked" card's settings at the press of a button - all under lifetime warranty.

My card before this one was a Radeon, I'm a total unloyal customer. I'm sure they have some similar deals, but EVGA has definetely earned my business when it comes to Nvidia stuff...
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July 26, 2010 9:01:33 PM

I definitely would have liked to see the 460 on here. So far the reviews have been very good.
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July 26, 2010 11:16:41 PM

Wow, you nVidia uberfans really get your panties in a bunch over nothing! The premise of this article was valid: Comparing factory over clocked cards against standard cards. Yes, they chose to compare a mature product in the 5870 rather than a brand new to market nVidia, but the premise was still valid.

Yes, some of us DO prefer ATI cards over nVidia. So what? For the last two years nVidia has done little more than offer up old cards with new model numbers on them trying to convince us that they were still a competitor, while ATI pushed the envelope in performance, price, and power efficiency. Even now, when nVidia has finally gotten their new chipset out the door and is finally offering a competitive performing card they are still too expensive for what you get and use enough juice to heat a small home.

If nVidia spins your wheels, then that is fine with me. Personally, I have had more than enough of their crappy drivers and overheating cards to last me a life time.
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July 27, 2010 12:18:31 AM

What kind of moron puts a 5870 in a 32 bit machine? That test pc setup is complete garbage.
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July 27, 2010 12:42:06 AM

d-blockWhat kind of moron puts a 5870 in a 32 bit machine? That test pc setup is complete garbage.

more to the point, who the hell in their right mind buys/uses a 32-bit OS anyways?
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July 27, 2010 12:43:24 AM

d-block said:
What kind of moron puts a 5870 in a 32 bit machine? That test pc setup is complete garbage.

What kind of person thinks it would make a difference?
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July 27, 2010 4:52:02 PM

silicondockirillian, you sad, sad person. Every website in the world has declared the GTX460 the current best bang for the buck PERIOD. You talk about honesty, yet you post the most blatantly dishonest crap of the day one from the red team could cook up. What a sick joke. Just forget it, live in your insane fantasy world of lies and be happy. My God.



Wow, you must be off your meds. Tom's just posted an article about the awesome SLI scaling of the 460, although it was a week late. I also believe that the lastest graphics card chart came before the GTX 460, although the other GF400s are on the chart.

As far as the 480 and the 470, I don't think they use that much more power than previous generation cards, or create that much more heat either. I'd say that EVERY review site under rates the higher end Fermi cards. No one seems to get that besides gaming, they are absolute folding MONSTERS. If I folded, I wouldn't use anything less than a 470. To bad nVidia doesn't have an AMD chipset that was in my price range when I was buying a motherboard.
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July 27, 2010 8:35:30 PM

I just bought 5870 ATI, my last few cards were nVidia. I don't really care, the nVidia CEO pissed me off though and I won't buy from them again until that CEO is gone.....

But anyway, this article was about what makes the most sense to buy and if overclocking is worth it and from whom. I'm thinking this is the same for ATI/nVidia and all cards regardless. The logic is the same. I wouldn't expect for this article Toms has 50 cards to test the theory, just a couple makes sense to me.
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August 4, 2010 8:06:09 PM

Why no nvidia in the article?
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August 6, 2010 7:03:14 AM

kelemvor4 said:
Why no nvidia in the article?


It's about overclocked vs reference, what does it matter which IHV? :heink: 
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August 9, 2010 5:48:18 PM

It matters to me. Apples and oranges don't always react the same. I find it a bit short-sighted to perform this comparison testing using just one particular card. I really don't care about the "red vs green" arguement.

I am in the middle of a high end HTPC build and it appears that the new GTX 460 is a card that will finally bridge the gap between low power/low heat/low performance card and high performance gaming card. That particular line from Nvidia is also the ONLY way you are going to get 3D Vision gaming and (Most importantly for HTPC) 3D Blu-Ray playback. ATI isn't even in that race and has nothing on the horizon.

The 460 will give me a viable quiet option for most HTPC HD applications because of it's efficiency at idle, while still being able to handle most gaming chores with minimal increase in noise when called upon. I for one would like to see how it performs as a reference board in comparison to a factory overclocked board.
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August 10, 2010 11:44:17 PM

niknikktm said:

I am in the middle of a high end HTPC build and it appears that the new GTX 460 is a card that will finally bridge the gap between low power/low heat/low performance card and high performance gaming card.


It still consumes much more power and generates much more heat, but beyond that what is the exact issue you have other than the slight variability of +/- 5% from model to model, which would be similar to the difference between a brand within the same line due to build differences. Features wise isn't an issue, it's about the OC.

Your complaint is pointless and similar to complaining they didn't compare it to the souped up water-block model. Or that they didn't scrap of the standard TIM and replace is with IC Diamond or something. :pfff: 

The point is to illustrate reference versus factory OC, and it does a good job of that so people get a basic idea about it.

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That particular line from Nvidia is also the ONLY way you are going to get 3D Vision gaming and (Most importantly for HTPC) 3D Blu-Ray playback. ATI isn't even in that race and has nothing on the horizon.


Which has nothing to do with this article, once again you're in a pattern there which is outside of the interests of the article, just personal interests. :sarcastic: 

Jeez it's too bad he didn't consult you before writing the article to find out what resolution you need and what tests to run. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]
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August 30, 2010 7:04:41 PM

I would be quite satisfied with a gtx 460 and overclocking it
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September 7, 2010 5:28:45 PM

d-block :

What kind of moron puts a 5870 in a 32 bit machine? That test pc setup is complete garbage.


more to the point, who the hell in their right mind buys/uses a 32-bit OS anyways?


--Dude people with older equipment do use 32 bit OS ....... there is nothing wrong with our minds....

I use a P 4 1.9 ghz... with absolutely no graphics cards and it serves my purpose... performs slower than my granny walks...but hell yeah.... its still working 9 years!!!!!! on.....
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