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August 6, 2009 6:57:51 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Tuesday

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (Gaming and blueray)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: I dont need the parts i have listed to you in the build and nothing else

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: zip or egg who ever is cheaper

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type: No preference

OVERCLOCKING: Yes / No / Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: NO and yes crossfire

MONITOR RESOLUTION: ( Acer h233h 23 inch 1920x1080)

Ok everyone ive decided to drop the price of my build down alot because my birthday is the 9th of august and my wife asked me what i wanted so she bought 2 4890's and a new case. so i dont need anything but the part listed below. This pc is strictly for gaming and no overclocking.

OCZ OCZ3P16004GK 4GB PC3-12800+ (DDR3-1600+) DDR3 Memory
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

ANTEC EA650 EarthWatts Series 650W SLI Active Power Supply
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

MSI 790FX-GD70 AMD 790FX AM3 Phenom II/Athlon X4/Athlon X3/Athlon X2 Socket AM3 5200 MT/s PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX Motherboard
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

AMD HDZ955FBGIBOX Phenom II x4, Black Edition 3.2Ghz 955
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Subtotal: $510.87

like i said no overclocking at all but i also dont want to bottleneck my cards that much. any other suggestions if very highly recommended. from what ive heard is that the ea650 can run crossfire 4890s from users on hardocp

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August 6, 2009 7:17:04 PM

ive come up with one other build also for you to look at.

ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)

AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 125W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Subtotal: $469.96
August 6, 2009 7:30:40 PM

the 790fx isnt worth the price, look into the 790x and gx's only.

take the gigabyte you chose in the 2nd post.

Since this is gaming, you arent going to need ddr3 1333, no big performance difference in ddr3 and ddr2 for gaming.

Get ddr2 1066 g.skills/ocz.

since that will drop the price down to $50's instead of $80 for memory, you can get the corsair 650tx instead of the antec 650w.

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August 6, 2009 7:36:03 PM

ok here is what i got.
August 6, 2009 7:40:11 PM

ok his is what i came up with

955 build

AMD HDZ955FBGIBOX Phenom II x4, Black Edition 3.2Ghz,8MB Cache,125W,45nm 3.20 GHz AM3 4 x 512KB Desktop Processor
ANTEC EA650 EarthWatts Series 650W SLI Active Power Supply
GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AMD 790X AM3 Phenom II Socket AM3 5200 MT/s PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX
OCZ OCZ2P10664GK 4GB PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) DDR2 Memory

Subtotal: $435.96 - free shipping


945 build

AMD HDX945WFGIBOX Phenom II X4 3.00 GHz 4000 MHz AM3 4 x 512KB Desktop Processor
ANTEC EA650 EarthWatts Series 650W SLI Active Power Supply
GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AMD 790X AM3 Phenom II Socket AM3 5200 MT/s PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX
OCZ OCZ2P10664GK 4GB PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) DDR2 Memory

Subtotal: $$418.96- free shipping
August 6, 2009 7:51:51 PM

get the 945 or wait a bit till the 965 comes out the 955 wil drop a bit in price an am3 board dont support ddr2 ram
August 6, 2009 7:52:57 PM

k let me go through and redo this build 2 am2+
August 6, 2009 8:03:18 PM

Whoops, saw that it was the 790x instead of the gx for ddr2, my bad.


August 6, 2009 8:08:15 PM

ok here is the build and how bad will my 2 4890s bottneck on this?

Foxconn A7DA-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W

$414.96

k what about this. i keep the antec 650 and drop to x2 4850's? i already own 1 so i can just bring the 4890's back and get another 4850
August 6, 2009 8:24:27 PM

well 2 4850s marginally out perform a single 4890 but on that what screen you using an whaat resolution
August 6, 2009 8:30:14 PM

i have it posted up top in my first thread MONITOR RESOLUTION: ( Acer h233h 23 inch 1920x1080)
August 6, 2009 8:32:22 PM

you need an 850w PSU for this build, and don't forget a case.

also get a better make of board, try ASUS or Gigabyte.
August 6, 2009 8:40:39 PM

4lc4pon3 said:
ok here is the build and how bad will my 2 4890s bottneck on this?

Foxconn A7DA-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W

$414.96

k what about this. i keep the antec 650 and drop to x2 4850's? i already own 1 so i can just bring the 4890's back and get another 4850

A single 4890 should give you exceptional 1920 x 1200 performance in most games according to tom's:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,...

Why not keep a single 4890? Sell the 4850, and return the second 4890. You will save some money to spend elsewhere.
August 6, 2009 8:41:41 PM

ok good system you getting but a single 4890 is more then enough for that resolution but in my opinion get the 945 with ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AMD 790FX AM3 board its bou 20 bucks more expensive but worth the extras but dont get the antec power supplies get something like a corsair 750 watt


August 6, 2009 9:02:36 PM

ok im confused now. am i going ddr2 am2+ or am i going back to the am3 ddr3. one sais dont go ddr3 or an fx board another sais go ddr3 with the fx board.
August 6, 2009 9:21:01 PM

if i do this build
MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W
OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

its $544.96

does anfx mobo really make that much of a difference?
August 6, 2009 9:21:24 PM

well actually i didn even think bout it being an fx ddr3 board but if you wanna least be able to keep your board till 2012 go am3 an that board i mentioned has 4 pcie slots wich means maybe quad fire in time an with the huge possibility of a 6 core desktop chip from amd in late 2010 early 2011 being am3 compatible an not am2+ or am2 compatible am3 is the future well maybe for the next few yrs while am2+ should be phased out by next yr oa bit later depending on ddr3 pricing drops
August 6, 2009 9:23:45 PM

whats the difference from a 790gx to a 790fx? i gotta get the price down a bit.
August 6, 2009 9:31:29 PM

The FX board doesnt have onboard graphics and supports more PCI lanes allowing for 16x/16x crossfire or 8x/8x/8x/8x quad fire if you really want, the GX has onboard graphics but only supports 8x/8x crossfire.
August 6, 2009 9:35:44 PM

I would go with a GX board if you're looking to get the price down a little. You won't be able to tell the difference between 8x and 16x link speed with anything below a 4870x2.
August 6, 2009 9:38:24 PM

The main difference in that the 790gx has on board graphics and is a little improved energy efficiency if you ever go to CrossFire the GX will only run at 16x8 and not 16x16 like an FX chipset. And if the BIOS defaults you have to disable the onboard graphics .The FX is supposedly 2-3% faster, but you would never be able to tell the difference
August 6, 2009 9:51:12 PM

ok this is what i got

MSI 790FX-GD70 AMD 790FX AM3
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX 750W Power Supply
AMD Phenom II x4 955, Black Edition 3.2Ghz,8MB Cache,125W
OCZ OCZ3X16004GK 4GB PC3-12800+ (DDR3-1600+) DDR3 Memoryhttp://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

the memory is out of stock but it should be back in stock by tuesday.

price: 522


August 7, 2009 12:56:59 PM

Why get the MSI 790FX.?

Whats wrong with a GX gigabyte or even the 790x.......
August 7, 2009 1:14:43 PM

i went by this "GX will only run at 16x8 and not 16x16 like an FX chipset" they said i wont see a difference with running dual 4850s but anything over a 487 i will. i planned on running better cards in the future.
August 7, 2009 1:16:21 PM

^ the only time when you need PCIe lane numbers to be over x8 is if you're using two 4850 X2's, 4870 X2's, or GTX 295's.
August 7, 2009 1:18:34 PM

ok thanks
August 7, 2009 1:30:11 PM

whats the difference between a 790gx and a 790x? n/m i found out the gx has onboard gfx where the x doesnt
August 7, 2009 1:40:07 PM

Probably about the only difference
August 7, 2009 1:58:56 PM

GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready Crossfire Ready
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor

$434.96

my g/f returned the 4890's and i picked up a second HIS 4850 turbo 650/2000. im sure this will all run together
August 7, 2009 6:59:20 PM

Quote:
Ok everyone ive decided to drop the price of my build down alot because my birthday is the 9th of august and my WIFE asked me what i wanted so she bought 2 4890's and a new case. so i dont need anything but the part listed below. This pc is strictly for gaming and no overclocking.


4lc4pon3 said:
my g/f returned the 4890's and i picked up a second HIS 4850 turbo 650/2000. im sure this will all run together


One other BIG item, in the first post, you said you're WIFE got you the 4890s and now, 24hrs later, you have a GIRLFRIEND doing your dirty work? If your wife let you get a girlfriend instead of keeping the second 4890, she is a very good woman!!!!!!!!
August 7, 2009 8:02:08 PM

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If your wife let you get a girlfriend instead of keeping the second 4890, she is a very good woman!!!!!!!![/quotemsg said:


But what a poor girlfriend if she is returning the twin 4890s your wife was going to give you and forcing you to just pick up a second 4850 to match what you already had. Don't let her play with you PC. How did she get them from your wife?
August 7, 2009 8:20:12 PM

Maybe 4LC4PON3 is really Jon Gosslin?!? :lol: 
August 7, 2009 10:49:20 PM

HaHa im not married to her its kind of a Habit. I tend to say g/f then wife were getting married but not till next year.

the only reason i took the 4890s back and got a matching 4850 is because i just bought this 4850 about 2 weeks ago and i didnt just want the mess around with selling it. i am a very impatient person to be honest and when i gotta screw around 2 much i get frusterated.

on the Jon Gosslin comment i wouldnt want to be in his shoes, hes got psycho x-wife, a loser g/f and 8 kids that hes about to lose. im with 1 girl and a daughter so im good right now
August 9, 2009 4:54:23 AM

ok everyone im ordering tomorrow so heres your chance to say yes or no. Gaming only. 2 4850 turbos 650/2000 Res 1920x1080

GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready Crossfire Ready
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor

$434.96
August 9, 2009 5:02:31 AM

i am debating an aftermarket cooler because im not 100% sure i want to overclock
August 9, 2009 12:18:49 PM

The cooler can be added later and the stock fan will allow for some OCing. So I wouldn't worry about it right now.

For the extra little bit, I'd go for the AM3 board with DDR3 ram. Looking maybe $20 more and theres a good chance when you upgrade later, you can use the ram.

I'd also make sure you get the 95w version vs the 125w. Won't make a lick of difference if you aren't OC and probably none if you do. Just uses less power and spends less money in the long run.
August 9, 2009 12:34:05 PM

yeah thats what i got now is the 95w
August 9, 2009 1:06:40 PM

skora can u show me what mobo and ram would only bring my price up 20 dollars more.

what i got in my cart now is

ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad
OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

$479.96
August 9, 2009 1:43:08 PM

Using ZZF,
945 + Gigabyte 790XT-UD4P = $283
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
You'll have to add the mobo in from the combo, ZZF applies it to the cart and not its own sku.

OCZ Platinum 4gig DDR3 1600 kit $80
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Corsair 650TX $97-$10 mir.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
Total $460 before rebates, $450 after. (all free shipping)

I think it was you that hates rebates, but if you are going to send it in, get the PSU and ram from newegg and the rest from zzf. That total would be $438. Only $4 more than the Am2+ build. Well worth it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 9, 2009 7:16:10 PM

4lc4pon3 said:
i am debating an aftermarket cooler because im not 100% sure i want to overclock

Get the oem cooler up front. Your PC will run cooler and quieter. To properly mount a cooler, you need to do it with the motherboard out of the case. I hate the risk of taking a properly working pc apart to do this later.
August 9, 2009 8:26:41 PM

geofelt said:
Get the oem cooler up front. Your PC will run cooler and quieter. To properly mount a cooler, you need to do it with the motherboard out of the case. I hate the risk of taking a properly working pc apart to do this later.


Nice tip.

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