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November 2, 2009 11:19:44 PM

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Hector Ruiz, chairman of the GLOBALFOUNDRIES board of directors, will take a voluntary leave of absence effective immediately before resigning from the company in January, the company’s board announced today. Dr. Ruiz had submitted his resignation in September with an effective date of January 4th, 2010.

He will be replaced by Alan E. “Lanny” Ross, who will serve as interim chairman, effective immediately, until a permanent chairman has been appointed by the board.


http://www.globalfoundries.com/news/ruizsleave

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November 2, 2009 11:27:32 PM

randomizer said:
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Hector Ruiz, chairman of the GLOBALFOUNDRIES board of directors, will take a voluntary leave of absence effective immediately before resigning from the company in January, the company’s board announced today. Dr. Ruiz had submitted his resignation in September with an effective date of January 4th, 2010.

He will be replaced by Alan E. “Lanny” Ross, who will serve as interim chairman, effective immediately, until a permanent chairman has been appointed by the board.


http://www.globalfoundries.com/news/ruizsleave


A blue dress appears. Finger is pointed. Plans for attending own impeachment hearings crossed off the Dr.'s itineary.
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November 2, 2009 11:35:46 PM

maybe AMD will get somewhere now.
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November 2, 2009 11:47:18 PM

Ruiz resigned, we still don't know the details. What we see is the way it should be done. If Ruiz resigned and is innocent, he'll be back, completely absolved and to fawning support I'm sure. IF he is guilty, he has also done the right thing, either that or GF has done the right thing first.

Neither AMD or GF is going to fight this in a sad attempt to gain credibility. There will be no appeals or anything like that. Notice the difference compared to the intel anti-trust case - just like I said would happen not even a week ago has been proven. This is how to run a business and win hearts. Watch AMD's share price go up and up over the coming days btw.
November 2, 2009 11:48:05 PM

Upendra09 said:
maybe AMD will get somewhere now.

naaaaah
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November 2, 2009 11:51:58 PM

jennyh said:
Watch AMD's share price go up and up over the coming days btw.

Makes me wish I bought some months ago when they were worth dirt :lol: 
November 2, 2009 11:58:04 PM

haha yeah then you would be recommending Phenom II's to everyone just to raise your stock :p 

Note: W00t, i'ma Regular now (no longer a newbie)
November 3, 2009 12:02:27 AM

So wait a second, are you saying that AMD ARE EVIL!?

Also, Randomizer, you're supposed to let me post stuff like this (jkjk)




jennyh said:
Ruiz resigned, we still don't know the details. What we see is the way it should be done. If Ruiz resigned and is innocent, he'll be back, completely absolved


Don't think he'd resign if he was innocent, but maybe you're right and he was pressured out because some of the cash pockets or directors didn't like having the scandal.
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November 3, 2009 12:11:02 AM

Ruiz resigning is the very best way for him and the company regardless of his guilt because nothing says 'victim' more than a person who was presumed guilty, quit, then was absolved in court (or outside if it doesn't even get that far).

I think we all know that Ruiz isn't actually needed at AMD or GF or anywhere, and he's not gonna be missed either. So far, everybody involved has got it right but that doesn't mean it can't go horribly wrong either...this is AMD after all lol.
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November 3, 2009 12:12:20 AM

uncfan_2563 said:
haha yeah then you would be recommending Phenom II's to everyone just to raise your stock :p 


I lol'd at that one :D 
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November 3, 2009 12:24:20 AM

jennyh said:
Ruiz resigned, we still don't know the details. What we see is the way it should be done. If Ruiz resigned and is innocent, he'll be back, completely absolved and to fawning support I'm sure. IF he is guilty, he has also done the right thing, either that or GF has done the right thing first.

Neither AMD or GF is going to fight this in a sad attempt to gain credibility. There will be no appeals or anything like that. Notice the difference compared to the intel anti-trust case - just like I said would happen not even a week ago has been proven. This is how to run a business and win hearts. Watch AMD's share price go up and up over the coming days btw.


hey maybe ur prediction will come true now that Hector left
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November 3, 2009 12:28:50 AM

My prediction pretty much came true already last quarter, even though it was only 'AMD - the product company' that made a profit.

Ruiz staying or leaving wont make any difference...except maybe freeing up a high wage bill. Maybe this is what Hexus and Fudzilla were talking about with AMD's layoffs? :D 
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November 3, 2009 12:43:16 AM

I do actually believe he is probably guilty of something now btw. I wasn't expecting action *this* quickly, and that leads me to believe that the evidence is probably incrimating.

There is also a pretty cold 'matter of fact' style language to the announcement that wouldnt be there if he was leaving voluntarily under normal circumstances.

So yeah, it doesn't look good from his personal pov, but Global Goundries and AMD are seen to be acting in a proper fashion so far.
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November 3, 2009 2:14:41 AM

I have not a figured out the angle on this. But I'm sure somehow someway the amdzoners have figured out a way to blame Intel for this.
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November 3, 2009 3:24:12 AM

jennyh said:
Ruiz resigned, we still don't know the details. What we see is the way it should be done. If Ruiz resigned and is innocent, he'll be back, completely absolved and to fawning support I'm sure. IF he is guilty, he has also done the right thing, either that or GF has done the right thing first.

Neither AMD or GF is going to fight this in a sad attempt to gain credibility. There will be no appeals or anything like that. Notice the difference compared to the intel anti-trust case - just like I said would happen not even a week ago has been proven. This is how to run a business and win hearts. Watch AMD's share price go up and up over the coming days btw.


Even if AMD is innocent he is just well, horrible. He is the reason why AMD sat on K8. hes the reason why AMD is losing money instead of making it.

He need to go for good.
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November 3, 2009 3:37:19 AM

I find it amusing that someone in his position appears to not know what they are and are not allowed to discuss about the company they involved with.
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November 3, 2009 10:48:42 AM

The problem is the probe looks to be expanding. I expect both GF and AMD high ups to be hit before this ends.

Really crappy timing for this to come up.
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November 3, 2009 11:35:12 AM

There might be room for me to takeover marketing at AMD ... I'll put TC on as my spindoctor.

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November 3, 2009 11:51:35 AM

Ok, i don't understand, whats K8? lol sorry for my failness. And why would it matter if he resigned, how would that benefit AMD?
a b à CPUs
November 3, 2009 12:10:08 PM

Interesting comments...


Though one wonders what a lot of these same individuals would say if the situation were Hector Ruiz Paul Otellini.
November 3, 2009 12:14:36 PM

Reynod said:
There might be room for me to takeover marketing at AMD ... I'll put TC on as my spindoctor.


I accept this position.


Yes, Intel processors may be "faster" but we all know that turbo is cheating. Also, i5 is a horrible choice because for the majority of users, you know, the 4+ graphics card users, there simply won't be enough bandwidth on the onboard PCIe controller.

AMD has innovative design techniques, such as the one we're using with Magny-Cours. Using this breakthrough we are able to make a multi-chip module. Intel doesn't have this technology, therefore AMD is superior. Intel uses inferior "Native" and "Real" processors.

Now that I'm an AMD employee I've got some good stock tips for whoever needs 'em!
November 3, 2009 12:18:23 PM

Scotteq said:
Interesting comments...


Though one wonders what a lot of these same individuals would say if the situation were Hector Ruiz Paul Otellini.


We've been, or at least some of us have been rather level headed. We think it looks fishy, but acknowledge that they're merely accusations at this point. Although Hector resigning does say a lot.

However, when something bad about Intel comes out, even if it's just an accusation there are a small group of people here that take it as gospel truth and profess how evil Intel is.

Any suggestions that AMD is (or "are") evil are merely just mocking AMD fanboys.
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November 3, 2009 12:45:45 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
We've been, or at least some of us have been rather level headed. We think it looks fishy, but acknowledge that they're merely accusations at this point. Although Hector resigning does say a lot.

However, when something bad about Intel comes out, even if it's just an accusation there are a small group of people here that take it as gospel truth and profess how evil Intel is.

Any suggestions that AMD is (or "are") evil are merely just mocking AMD fanboys.



I know... ;) 


It's a (not particularly) veiled jab at our dear Jennay. 'Cos sure as the sun shines, were the situation reversed (s)he (as well as certain others, for sure) would be all over it like flies on roadkill. But instead we get a dismissal of the principal topic like it doesn't matter, followed by sweet praises about Hector's resignation like it somehow proves he's doing the right thing. <offers half eaten Box 'o Chocolates as compensation for the jab> Yet, the reality is that there are Prison Sentences attached to the other end of this. And believe me: If the SEC would send Martha Stewart to jail over $40K, then Mr. Ruiz and the rest of his friends have a lot to worry about.

I've stated elsewhere that (as far as I'm concerned) it's all just "Product"; and for the great majority of the consumer market only real thing separating the two is the color of the box the silicon ships in. And this little escapade falls in the 'proof of theory' category. The Fanboiz/galz just help make it that much more amusing to watch...


<...wonders if protection money paid to Neta or Barrio Azteca is tax deductable...>
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November 3, 2009 1:27:26 PM

Nah I think the difference is clear enough, ie Otellini is still there along with the other criminals in control at intel.

Still there, refusing to accept their punishment that is.
a b à CPUs
November 3, 2009 1:39:34 PM

<laugh> :lol: 

...she's right on cue! And still here, refusing to accept reality for what it is.

Why deny the obvious, child: Mr Ruiz is the one with the potential to go to prison. Not Mr Otellini. So you might want to revise your 'criminal' statement, lest someone step on your hyperbole. ;) 

November 3, 2009 2:46:52 PM

jennyh said:
Ruiz resigned, we still don't know the details. What we see is the way it should be done. If Ruiz resigned and is innocent, he'll be back, completely absolved and to fawning support I'm sure. IF he is guilty, he has also done the right thing, either that or GF has done the right thing first.

Neither AMD or GF is going to fight this in a sad attempt to gain credibility. There will be no appeals or anything like that. Notice the difference compared to the intel anti-trust case - just like I said would happen not even a week ago has been proven. This is how to run a business and win hearts. Watch AMD's share price go up and up over the coming days btw.


http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/amd

November 3, 2009 3:08:13 PM

Actually, as much as I disagree with JennyH, I think she's been rather level headed on this topic.
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November 3, 2009 3:31:04 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
I accept this position.


Yes, Intel processors may be "faster" but we all know that turbo is cheating. Also, i5 is a horrible choice because for the majority of users, you know, the 4+ graphics card users, there simply won't be enough bandwidth on the onboard PCIe controller.

AMD has innovative design techniques, such as the one we're using with Magny-Cours. Using this breakthrough we are able to make a multi-chip module. Intel doesn't have this technology, therefore AMD is superior. Intel uses inferior "Native" and "Real" processors.

Now that I'm an AMD employee I've got some good stock tips for whoever needs 'em!


Very few people, or even professionals use 4x GPU's, and those that do are using Xeons/Opterons. Heck, i7 hasn't even been marketed to that space yet, so PCI-E bandwith is a non-argument.

As for "native" vs "real", at the end of the day, even with turbo and hyperthreading off, i7 and i5 are faster then AM3 clock for clock. Performance determines the sales, not who has the superior product.
November 3, 2009 3:49:56 PM

'clock for clock' is a non-argument for the consumer. The consumer cares what he can get given a budget, not the IPC level of the product.
November 3, 2009 4:08:55 PM

jennyh said:
Nah I think the difference is clear enough, ie Otellini is still there along with the other criminals in control at intel.

Still there, refusing to accept their punishment that is.

I regret to inform you that in the civilized world the accused are allowed a trial before being sentenced. Let's see how things shake out when all the evidence is out there for the world to see.
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November 3, 2009 4:13:15 PM

Intel aren't the ones in the spotlight here...
November 3, 2009 4:45:49 PM

gamerk316 said:
Very few people, or even professionals use 4x GPU's, and those that do are using Xeons/Opterons. Heck, i7 hasn't even been marketed to that space yet, so PCI-E bandwith is a non-argument.

As for "native" vs "real", at the end of the day, even with turbo and hyperthreading off, i7 and i5 are faster then AM3 clock for clock. Performance determines the sales, not who has the superior product.


Sorry, I should have noted I was being sarcastic.
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November 3, 2009 4:47:24 PM

Scotteq said:
<laugh> :lol: 

...she's right on cue! And still here, refusing to accept reality for what it is.

Why deny the obvious, child: Mr Ruiz is the one with the potential to go to prison. Not Mr Otellini. So you might want to revise your 'criminal' statement, lest someone step on your hyperbole. ;) 


LOL! That's worthy of a new sig quote! :D 

I guess the other AMD fanbois are leaving it up to poor JennyH to try the sad but entirely predictable deflection techniques - "Yes our former CEO and now CEO of a partly owned subsidiary may have engaged in mildly criminal actions but let's change the subject back to my favorite topic - the evilness of evil Intel!" :D ...

Now that the SEC is investigating, what do you think the chances of other higher-ups at AMD get entangled in this mess? Dirk Meyer, for instance? That would put a major crimp in AMD's plans to claw their way back up to ground zero in profitability..
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November 3, 2009 4:55:56 PM

Nah the sad thing is the intel fanboys trying to make it out like it's anything except an individual misjudgement, and that somehow the whole of AMD is gonna end up in court.

As pointed out previously, that is what intel specialise in, not AMD.
November 3, 2009 5:02:45 PM

Please point out where anyone who vaguely said or implied that AMD is going to end up in court because of what Hector Ruiz did?
November 3, 2009 5:05:16 PM

yomamafor1 said:
Please point out where anyone who vaguely said or implied that AMD is going to end up in court because of what Hector Ruiz did?


And my sarcastic remarks don't count.


The closest I can find is this:

"The problem is the probe looks to be expanding. I expect both GF and AMD high ups to be hit before this ends. " by gamerk316.

However, he didn't say AMD, he speculated that other higher ups from AMD and GF may be involved.
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November 3, 2009 5:13:43 PM

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now that the SEC is investigating, what do you think the chances of other higher-ups at AMD get entangled in this mess? Dirk Meyer, for instance? That would put a major crimp in AMD's plans to claw their way back up to ground zero in profitability..


I realise fazers writes garbage a lot but I didn't think you'd all stopped reading it. :D 

Let's get back to earth here gents....

intel

Guilty in Japan
Guilty in Korea
Guilty in Europe

Soon to be guilty in USA, though lets be honest your legal system is the joke of the world so that isn't exactly a guarantee.

AMD

Not guilty anywhere.

Hector Ruiz

Not guilty anywhere. He is under investigation though.
November 3, 2009 5:19:45 PM

jennyh said:
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now that the SEC is investigating, what do you think the chances of other higher-ups at AMD get entangled in this mess? Dirk Meyer, for instance? That would put a major crimp in AMD's plans to claw their way back up to ground zero in profitability..


I realise fazers writes garbage a lot but I didn't think you'd all stopped reading it. :D 

Let's get back to earth here gents....

intel

Guilty in Japan
Guilty in Korea
Guilty in Europe

Soon to be guilty in USA, though lets be honest your legal system is the joke of the world so that isn't exactly a guarantee.

AMD

Not guilty anywhere.

Hector Ruiz

Not guilty anywhere. He is under investigation though.



Uh oh Jenny. You got called out for telling a fib! Quick, change the subject!

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So Jenny,

yomamafor1 said:
Please point out where anyone who vaguely said or implied that AMD is going to end up in court because of what Hector Ruiz did?

a b à CPUs
November 3, 2009 5:53:37 PM

I think it's pretty clear that Fazers implied that Meyer and other higher-up's at AMD might get caught up in it? I mean, what does

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what do you think the chances of other higher-ups at AMD get entangled in this mess? Dirk Meyer, for instance?


say to you? Or are we still ignoring fazers? :D 
November 3, 2009 6:50:07 PM

I still don't see how Dirk Meyer may have a hand into this translate to AMD will be drag into court.

EDIT: I guess what I am trying to say is that currently there is no way to know if Dirk Meyer was involved. There mAy be a chance that he knew this was going on, give his positon as COO during Hector's reign. However, there is also nothing to suggest that he was involved. Either way, only time can tell. At the moment though, I'm glad that Hector is leaving. He should have been ousted for nearly driving AMD to the ground.
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November 3, 2009 7:27:25 PM

jennyh said:
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now that the SEC is investigating, what do you think the chances of other higher-ups at AMD get entangled in this mess? Dirk Meyer, for instance? That would put a major crimp in AMD's plans to claw their way back up to ground zero in profitability..


I realise fazers writes garbage a lot but I didn't think you'd all stopped reading it. :D 


LOL - the pot calling the kettle black once again :D .

Where have I ever posted about the magic wonders of microwave ovens, or how AMD cures diseases?? :sol: 

A careful read of my post would reveal that the only fact I mentioned was the SEC expanding its investigation, which is in the news. The rest was speculation phrased as a question. After all, if Ruiz was too stupid (despite being the top "genius" AMD engineer :D ) to realize that what he was doing was a crime, then there's no telling how stupid the remainder of AMD's management may have been :) .

So much for those "superior AMD engineers" [:rocket_sauce:1]

And as for the US legal system being the "joke of the world" - at least we don't let convicted terrorists such as the Lockerbie bomber out of jail. Or did you forget about that little factoid already??

Finally, again you are trying to deflect the heat away from AMD - where do you see "Intel" in the thread title, hmmm??

Seriously, if you're gonna be the self-annointed AMD Mouthpiece & Chief Apologist around here, you need to develop more than your current rudimentary debate skills [:thegreatgrapeape]
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November 3, 2009 9:19:50 PM

AMD will get better now
a b à CPUs
November 3, 2009 11:24:00 PM

Fazers, Jenny has a point though. Even though Ruiz would be sued, thats AMD's first lawsuit that I've heard about. Intel has been sued many times and the lawsuits were succesful. And, when you say "Joke of the World" you clearly don't know legal systems at all. The US legal system is just as bad as the rest of the world. I'm pretty sure in HK (Hong Kong), They follow the Jury/Judge system as well. But there is more power given to Judge (just a tiny bit). And even if it is the "Joke of the world" legal systems will never be perfected. Because in order to be fair, they try to have a Judge OR a Jury. In which case both have there bias. So... IDK :p  Plus you started flaming/bashing on AMD fanboys anyways. I can clearly quote above you saying.


"I guess the other AMD fanbois are leaving it up to poor JennyH to try the sad but entirely predictable deflection techniques - "Yes our former CEO and now CEO of a partly owned subsidiary may have engaged in mildly criminal actions but let's change the subject back to my favorite topic - the evilness of evil Intel!" :D ...

Now that the SEC is investigating, what do you think the chances of other higher-ups at AMD get entangled in this mess? Dirk Meyer, for instance? That would put a major crimp in AMD's plans to claw their way back up to ground zero in profitability.."

No CEO or person is Perfect.
a b à CPUs
November 3, 2009 11:33:32 PM

Well it was me who brought up the US justice system being the 'joke of the world', and I guess that is a throwback to good old murdering OJ and his fat hands.

There is a real danger that intel won't be found guilty in the US, and everybody outside the US understands what I mean by that.

As for the lockerbie bomber being released on compassionate grounds, yes it is true that the Scottish government released a terminally ill prisoner, same as we have done in many occasions in the past and will do again in future. Truth be told, most Scots believe he was made out to be a 'patsy'. While I have no doubt he was guilty of many things, I also doubt his guilt in the bombing.

I would personally hang everybody for any crime but that is just me, so it's not like I'm some sort of bleeding heart liberal either.
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November 4, 2009 1:45:30 AM

aznshinobi said:
Fazers, Jenny has a point though. Even though Ruiz would be sued, thats AMD's first lawsuit that I've heard about. Intel has been sued many times and the lawsuits were succesful. And, when you say "Joke of the World" you clearly don't know legal systems at all. The US legal system is just as bad as the rest of the world. I'm pretty sure in HK (Hong Kong), They follow the Jury/Judge system as well. But there is more power given to Judge (just a tiny bit). And even if it is the "Joke of the world" legal systems will never be perfected. Because in order to be fair, they try to have a Judge OR a Jury. In which case both have there bias. So... IDK :p  .


First of all, the European Commission (EC), which is the governmental body that punished Intel (and Microsoft) with unprecedented fines, without any sort of trial, or other form of civilized proceeding, is an administrative body, not a court of law. It should also be noted that such an outcome was in their own financial interest. So, no JennyH is wrong when she claims Intel was found guilty in the EU - no trial has been held yet.

Second, any large company gets sued in the course of business, including AMD. You may not have heard of the suits since they rarely make the news, but just do a google or bing search "AMD lawsuits". However JennyH is correct in that any such legal proceeding concerning insider trading would be against the individuals involved, not the company itself.

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Plus you started flaming/bashing on AMD fanboys anyways. I can clearly quote above you saying
"I guess the other AMD fanbois are leaving it up to poor JennyH to try the sad but entirely predictable deflection techniques - "Yes our former CEO and now CEO of a partly owned subsidiary may have engaged in mildly criminal actions but let's change the subject back to my favorite topic - the evilness of evil Intel!" :D ...

Now that the SEC is investigating, what do you think the chances of other higher-ups at AMD get entangled in this mess? Dirk Meyer, for instance? That would put a major crimp in AMD's plans to claw their way back up to ground zero in profitability.."


LOL - I would say my post was much less inflammatory than JennyH's. You did read her post, right?

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No CEO or person is Perfect


Yes, but even Jerry Sanders (former CEO of AMD) said Ruiz's actions were inexcusably stupid. There's an enormous difference between being less than "perfect" and unbelievably ignorant (Ruiz's excuse). I would expect even the most junior executive at AMD would know about divulging company secrets, NDA material, etc. - after all, the livelyhood of the company depends upon it.
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November 4, 2009 2:01:05 AM

jennyh said:
Well it was me who brought up the US justice system being the 'joke of the world', and I guess that is a throwback to good old murdering OJ and his fat hands.

There is a real danger that intel won't be found guilty in the US, and everybody outside the US understands what I mean by that.

As for the lockerbie bomber being released on compassionate grounds, yes it is true that the Scottish government released a terminally ill prisoner, same as we have done in many occasions in the past and will do again in future. Truth be told, most Scots believe he was made out to be a 'patsy'. While I have no doubt he was guilty of many things, I also doubt his guilt in the bombing.

I would personally hang everybody for any crime but that is just me, so it's not like I'm some sort of bleeding heart liberal either.


No system of justice is perfect, and I fully agree OJ Simpson should have been convicted. Unfortunately, due to a history of racial discrimination and injustice, the jury that was selected included a number of people who were unsympathetic to the police evidence that was presented. Plus the fact that the dismissal of most charges against the LA police in the Rodney King beating trial was fresh on their minds. They might have voted for acquital even if OJ had admitted he murdered his wife.

However that is no reason to condemn the entire US judicial system. True to form, you tarnish an entire institution with your prejudicial misconceptions and superficial judgments.

And you might remember a number of Scots were also killed in the bombing and subsequent plane crash.
a b à CPUs
November 4, 2009 5:28:35 AM

O.o, Anyways, umm... I think there was a lawsuit against Intel 'bout there Celeron processor.
a b à CPUs
November 4, 2009 7:41:48 AM

fazers_on_stun said:
However that is no reason to condemn the entire US judicial system. True to form, you tarnish an entire institution with your prejudicial misconceptions and superficial judgments.


Thats just utterly staggering coming from you, the guy who asked what Scotland gave the world apart from golf and whiskey. You know what they say about people in glass houses right?
a b à CPUs
November 4, 2009 9:59:23 AM

What more did Scotland have to do after giving us Golf and Whiskey??

Isn't that enough ... jeez?

As an academic I should also point out that higher learning in Scotland is also very well regarded historically.

This year ANU Beat Edinborough ... heh heh.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/worl...

I think Hector might have "adjusted" the results below though ... he hheh.

http://www.4icu.org/top200/

a b à CPUs
November 4, 2009 10:23:08 AM

I wonder how they calculate that anyway lol. I mean, different uni's in different countries must have different test methods, how do they figure who's is best? :D 
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