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August 8, 2009 2:45:11 AM

Hi everybody.
This is a repost, I apologize for my mistake(I didn't use the template in the last post).

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: asap, I would start today, but I want to make sure that I'm making right choices.

BUDGET RANGE: US $350-450

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:
Average video/photo editing, average gaming, movies, internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard&mouse, monitor, speakers, Dvd-rom, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Doesn't matter, just let it have fast shipping(US) and just let the things be cheap and high quality

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel Qore2Quad or better(in my price range), not AMD.

OVERCLOCKING: Don't know much about overclocking, but would like to learn.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: The same as above

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (I don't need a monitor)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
I would like to have a highest performance for my price.
My main goal is to upgrade to Intel Core2Quad or better, buy a 1TB Hard Disk, video card with 1gb memory and add 4GB+ memory(RAM).
It would be nice if I don't use anything except PARTS NOT REQUIRED from my old computer.
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I did read "Guide to choosing parts" and it was very helpful. I changed my choices little bit based on that article.

This is the list I made:

So I made a list (these are very good for my requirements):
[if you can find lower prices for these or better parts, please let me know.]

=================Processor:=====================
- Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q8200 2.33GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, OEM ($141)
* Mfr Part Number: EU80580PJ0534MN
* Process Type: Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q8200
* Frequency: 2.33 GHz
* FSB: 1333 MHz
* Cache: 4 MB
* Process: 45 nm
* Socket: LGA 775
* Package: OEM

I heard that Core2Quad processor has very high temperatures while working so it's very
important to choose a correct fan. So which fan should I choose? (look at the link, right
after the processor or advice better one with as low price as possible) .

================Motherboard:====================
I have two choices, which one should I choose?

Choice#1:
MSI P43 Neo-F LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard (75$)
* CPU Type: Core 2 Quad / Core 2 Extreme / Core 2 Duo
* FSB: 1600(OC)/1333/1066/800 MHz.
* South Bridge: Intel ICH10
* Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
* Memory Standard: DDR2 667/800/1066
* Maximum Memory Supported: 16GB
* PCI Express 2.0 x16: 1
* PCI Express x1: 2
* Model #: P43 Neo-F


Choise#2:
- MSI P43 Neo3-F LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard (84$)
* CPU Type: Core 2 Quad / Core 2 Extreme / Core 2 Duo
* FSB: 1600(O.C)/1333MHz
* South Bridge: Intel ICH10
* Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
* Memory Standard: DDR2 1066(O.C) / 800
* Maximum Memory Supported: 16GB
* Channel Supported: Dual Channel
* PCI Express 2.0 x16: 1
* Model #: P43 Neo3-F

==============Hard drive:=======================
Is this hard drive a good choice?

- HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.B 0A38016 1TB SATA II 7200 RPM 16MB Buffer Hard Drive Bulk (80$)

==============Video card:=======================
Which one is better?
Choice#1:
- ASUS EN9500GT/DI/1G GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card Native HDMI integrated (60$)

Choise#2:
- EVGA 01G-P3-N959-TR GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card (65$)

===============RAM:========================
I heard that a RAM has to be compatible with the MoBo, so please advice me a good RAM(s) with a good price. 4GB+ for ~50$ would be great.

And also I'm thinking about the Power Supply. I bought my computer like 4 years ago, and do you think it needs to be upgraded?

And did I forget something? If yes do I have to buy it?

More about : 400 parts

August 8, 2009 3:21:49 AM

Hmm... puzzled by the "NO AMD" statement. Anyways, you could get a much better system by going AMD. I would change every single one of your parts out for better ones but I would base it off of AM3 so let me know if this works for you.
August 8, 2009 3:25:55 AM

jbakerlent, thanks for your reply.
Please, no AMD.
Related resources
August 8, 2009 3:29:32 AM

Why not AMD?
in this price category AMD Gets better performance
I would go with the AMD 720 (black adition will help with overclocking)
with a 780g board

If you must go intel think about going with a duel core they will overclock better but depending on your programs you may or may not miss the extra cores.

fore heatsinks the oem heatsink does just fine in till you overclock so you could buy that later if you want to
I have heard that the XIGMATEK Dark Knight is really good. (775 and am3 compatible)

Graphics cards the basically the same card just different Packagers
If you go with AMD you could go with the integrated graphics or the ati 4650
August 8, 2009 3:32:06 AM

Ok, in that case I would get this RAM
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and this GPU minimum
MSI R4670-2D512/D3 Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Edit: And this PSU
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 8, 2009 3:34:03 AM

Is the 400 for CPU GPU HDD MOBO and RAM only ? because on the parts you have you will still need a CASE and PSU < or you useing your old one ?
August 8, 2009 3:43:49 AM

ke7diz, thanks for your reply.
I don't know when I will upgrade my comp again. So I would like to get everything I can effort right now. But again, please no AMD :D 
I want to make the biggest possible step right now :) 

By heatsink, I guess you mean cooling system for the processor right?
XIGMATEK Dark Night looks really cool man :)  Is it compatible with Intel Core2Quad?
The lowest price I found is $40, it's pretty good deal :) 
Thanks man!

Please tell me your advice about other parts too.
August 8, 2009 3:45:31 AM

niklas_13, I'm sorry. Yes I forgot to write it, I will be using my old case.
August 8, 2009 3:50:25 AM

jbakerlent, is "MSI R4670-2D512/D3 Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported"
better than those video cards I chose? Is this better in terms of gaming? Because my choices have 1GB memory, and this one is 512MB, is it still better?

Also this might be ridiculous question, but this "HD" in the name doesn't mean that it is only for HD movie watching( not playing games) right? :D 
August 8, 2009 3:56:31 AM

quantity of item 1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136319
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $74.99
select item 2 quantity of item 2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SAPPHIRE 100245HDMI Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102824
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options14-102-824S4000|hide options14-102-824S4000)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info14-102-824.0.18)

1 year: $10.99
2 year: $16.99
$99.99
1 Rosewill RC-6-HDMI-MM-BK-2 6 ft. HDMI Cable - Retail
Item #: N82E16812119254
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$5.00 Instant
-$14.99 Saving
$19.99
$0.00
select item 4 quantity of item 4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820145184
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy -$5.00 Instant
$62.99
$57.99
select item 5 quantity of item 5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128359
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options13-128-359|hide options13-128-359)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info13-128-359.0.18)

1 year: $16.99
2 year: $25.99
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card13-128-359 $119.99
select item 6 quantity of item 6 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80580Q9400 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115131
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy $189.99

I would really try to up the 400 and go with something like this or go AMD

The 775 is @ its EOL

if anything get a P45 MOBO just my 2 cents
August 8, 2009 4:07:33 AM

when you are buying graphics cards in that price range 512mb of ram is more that enough

and yes the darknight is compatible with all lga775 processors (like the core 2 quad)
August 8, 2009 4:09:30 AM

niklas_13, thanks again.
But these items are ~$450. And if I add a Power Supply and Cooling System, it will be ~550$. It's little bit over my price range man :)  My dad will like the parts but not the price :D 
August 8, 2009 4:23:41 AM

:)  cut the grass and wash the car alot maybe breakfast in bed for a month :) 
August 8, 2009 6:03:59 AM

I remade my list based on your advices(Thank you all).
Please, review it once more:

Is it possible to lower the price of any part?

=================Processor:======================
- Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q8200 2.33GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU, OEM ($141)
* Mfr Part Number: EU80580PJ0534MN
* Process Type: Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q8200
* Frequency: 2.33 GHz
* FSB: 1333 MHz
* Cache: 4 MB
* Process: 45 nm
* Socket: LGA 775
* Package: OEM

================Heatsink for Processor==============
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler 45$


================Motherboard:====================
MSI P43 Neo-F LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard (75$) $10 MIR
* CPU Type: Core 2 Quad / Core 2 Extreme / Core 2 Duo
* FSB: 1600(OC)/1333/1066/800 MHz.
* South Bridge: Intel ICH10
* Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
* Memory Standard: DDR2 667/800/1066
* Maximum Memory Supported: 16GB
* PCI Express 2.0 x16: 1
* PCI Express x1: 2
* Model #: P43 Neo-F

==============Hard drive:=======================
- HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.B 0A38016 1TB SATA II 7200 RPM 16MB Buffer Hard Drive Bulk (80$) $10MIR
I wanted this thing so much :'(  but, unfortunately I might skip this to lower the price.

==============Video card:=======================
[http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...]POWERCOLOR PCS AX4670 1GBK3-P Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported($80)[/url]$15MIR

===============RAM:==========================
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P10664GK ($53)

=============Power Supply======================
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 ($60)$20MIR

Total: $454 (without the hard drive)[$395 with -MIRs]

1. Do you think the power supply from my old comp won't work for this build? If not, I'll have to buy that power supply. So I'm planning to use this build in my home country. Our power specifications are 220V 50Hz while in US it's 110V 60 Hz. Would this power supply that I'm gonna buy work in my country?
2. Very important! Are these parts compatible with each other? Will I just connect them together and get a running PC?

PS: Sorry for offtop, after how much time I will get money if I'll apply MIRs (newegg)?
August 8, 2009 6:08:29 AM

niklas_13, yes, that's what I'm probably gonna do. :D 
I'll leave the Hard Drive alone for now, and get it later after working some ;) 
August 8, 2009 6:16:26 AM

Meh, I made a dual core AMD/4670 build with 640GB harddrive, but I guess that becomes too gaming oriented and its AMD. Oh well.
August 8, 2009 6:24:29 AM

mlcloud, thank you so much man, I guess you spent much time to build that build :)  I forgot to write there that I reposted. My bad.

Yes, I would love to have 1 TB or at least WD! 640 GB(your build) :) , I'll skip HD and use one from my old comp. But it's ok, I'll cut some grass and buy it later ;) .
August 8, 2009 9:33:30 PM

obsidian86, thanks for your reply, but sorry, I'm choosing intel anyways.
August 8, 2009 9:35:18 PM

Please review my final list once more.

And my last two questions:
1. Do you think the power supply from my old comp won't work for this build? If not, I'll have to buy that power supply. So I'm planning to use this build in my home country. Our power specifications are 220V 50Hz while in US it's 110V 60 Hz. Would this power supply that I'm gonna buy work in my country?
2. Very important! Are these parts compatible with each other? Will I just connect them together and get a running PC?

PS: Sorry for offtop, after how much time I will get money if I'll apply MIRs (newegg)?
August 9, 2009 3:13:35 AM

just curious why you are so anti AMD.......
August 9, 2009 3:18:10 AM

I second uh_no's curiosity because, contrary to what you believe, AMD products are in no way inferior to Intel ones and in all but maybe a few cases are better options.
August 9, 2009 3:39:12 AM

i thrid that
August 9, 2009 6:33:06 AM

Ok guys, looks like you are right.

Based on this article(thanks to obsidian86), I think AMD Phenom II X4 940 is way-way better than Intel Core2Quad 8200.

So I found this in newegg:
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor . So this is AMD Phenom II X4 945(little better than the 940 used in that review)? And for it's price $170 it looks like a good deal.

If I choose AMD(PhenomII X4 945), will I get lower prices for other parts (MoBo, Heatsink,...)?
August 9, 2009 6:53:14 AM

jbakerlent, thanks again.

I don't think I'll be upgrading my computer again soon, so since I don't want a extreme gaming build, I guess I don't need crossfiring, right?

PS: Are you sure that it'll fit my budget range ? ;)  Because you are starting from MoBo which costs $100... :) 
August 9, 2009 7:17:01 AM

The motherboard is actually quite a good deal. But in order to stay within your budget you may want to consider the x3 720. It will work with the above motherboard as well...
August 9, 2009 7:25:41 AM

Jbakerlent, no please, I want X4, and also Core2Quad Q8200 is better than x3 720.
I don't want crossfiring. Is not it possible to find a cheaper mobo?
August 9, 2009 7:46:11 AM

YEAH! That's good!
August 9, 2009 7:59:22 AM

Please, help to choose other parts too
August 9, 2009 8:12:45 AM

Sorry I'm on my iPhone right now and there's no computer that I can access so you'll have to look these parts up on newegg and price them out. I would look for 4 gb 1600 MHz ocz latency 7 ram. A 4670 or if it fits in your budget a better gpu. An ocz modxstream 500w psu. An antec 300. And a 640 gb wd black hard drive. Hope this helps!
August 9, 2009 8:24:38 AM

Ok. Thanks alot, man. I'll try to choose them, please tell if they are compatible when I'm done(I'll post them here)
August 9, 2009 8:48:23 AM

Processor:
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor $170

HEATSINK:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler $32 (I hope it's cheap and high quality as well)

MoBo:
MSI 770-C45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard $80

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 75$

PSU:
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W Power Supply compatible with core i7 60$

GPU:
POWERCOLOR PCS AX4670 1GBK3-P Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported($80)

Total: 490$

Questions:
1. I'm planning to use this build in my home country. Our power specifications are 220V 50Hz while in US it's 110V 60 Hz. Would this power supply that I'm gonna buy work in my country?
2. Very important! Are these parts compatible with each other? Will I just connect them together and get a running PC?

PS: Sorry for offtop, after how much time I will get money if I'll apply MIRs (newegg)?
August 9, 2009 8:57:32 AM

all that will work perfectly an most power supplies have a switch so you can use 220 or 110 volts an they will work together perfectly good luck
August 9, 2009 9:01:08 AM

Unfortunately I can only answer question two... Yes they're all compatible. Sorry I can't help more.
August 9, 2009 9:17:09 AM

1 more question:
Can't I just use the PSU from my old computer?

Thanks everybody!
August 9, 2009 9:26:45 AM

what make and wattage is it
August 9, 2009 2:18:09 PM

you may be able to use your old psu
the two thing you have to consider is what is it max output
and what connectors does it have (Their is converters fore molex to most other ones you will need, so you need to make sheer they either come with the components or you get a hold of them)

also depending on how old/good a bad psu has destroyed a computer in its death
August 9, 2009 2:58:46 PM

still went past the 400 budget :) 
October 27, 2009 5:26:08 AM

IT WORKED!!!

My build ~$480:
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Processor:
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor $170


HEATSINK:( I had to skip this one for the budget) [!CPU came with heatsink&fan, I don't know what I need another heatsink for?!]

MoBo:
MSI 770-C45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard $80


RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 75$


PSU:
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W Power Supply compatible with core i7 60$


GPU:
POWERCOLOR PCS AX4670 1GBK3-P Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported($80)
-----------------------------------------
TOTAL: ~$470
-----------------------------------------

I BUILT(with your help) MY FIRST BUILD EVER!!!
And I had no problem setting things up. It booted right away! I wanted to skip PSU, but I bought it for my old one was too old[250 Watt max], so I bought the OCZ PSU. And guess what? It's soooo cool! Honestly I thought it's a very hard to put those things together. No it is not! And thank you for choosing parts!

Thank you everybody!
Special thanks to: jbakerlent, ke7diz, niklas_13, obsidian86, mlcloud, randomsauce, uh_no, nun.
And "Huge" thanks to Tom'sHardware!!!