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Help for a noob core i7 860, Phenom II X4 945 or core 2 quad 9400

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November 3, 2009 9:25:02 PM

Any help is appreciated for my situation.

Iam a casual gamer but appreciate good graphics and smooth frame rates: but not hardcore by any means. I will not video edit or anything fancy. I will play games like COD4, WOW, Batman AA,etc while downloading torrents, streaming music and vids to my plasma etc. That is the extent of my multi-tasking. Iam coming from a 3 year old laptop(AMD Turian 64) I want a desktop and have tried to research as much as possible. The more I study the more I get confused. I will not overclock intentionally so that is not an issue to me. I just want a decent system with a lot of power and a few years of future-proofing. I have about 1200 to spend. I also wont build a system. Iam cool with replacing a psu, gpu and ram but thats about it at this stage. Down the line I may get into more building. Thats the background. Ive seen a few systems of interest. I know some come with crappy gpu's and low psu, but maybe a suggestion could be made on what is a good one to suit my casual needs.

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8GB DDR2 SDRAM memory (4 x 2GB, shared)
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Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 3100 graphics with DVI
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VGA port (15-pin)
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6 in 1 Audio-out port
RJ-45 (LAN)
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Thanks for your help. All suggestions are appreciated.
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November 3, 2009 9:30:24 PM

Well if you want to game, you'll be putting a new video card into any of those as they all have integrated/very weak video cards not meant for good 3d performance.
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November 3, 2009 9:35:21 PM

loneninja said:
Well if you want to game, you'll be putting a new video card into any of those as they all have integrated/very weak video cards not meant for good 3d performance.

The Dell has the following video card
NVIDIA GeForce GTS240 graphics

would that suit my needs?

Should I get the AMD for 600 bucks and buy a nice gpu and psu?
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November 3, 2009 11:31:14 PM

michial said:
The Dell has the following video card
NVIDIA GeForce GTS240 graphics

would that suit my needs?

Should I get the AMD for 600 bucks and buy a nice gpu and psu?


why not build the system from scratch instead
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November 3, 2009 11:42:52 PM

Building from scratch will probably be the best way to get the most for your buck. Or you can pick up a bare bones core i7 kit for 700-1000. I highly recommend the core i7 processor, i have been using one for a while now and am very pleased with the performance.
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November 3, 2009 11:52:09 PM

If a person doesn't have the first clue about building pc's then suggesting they do that will appear outrageous suggestion even though it's a very easy thing.

Most people see pc's as being more complex than tv's and dvd players. I could build you a pc no problem but I couldn't build you a tv.
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November 4, 2009 12:31:34 AM

I did not read all the specs for the machines you listed. Just the cpus.

I would leave out the q9400 cpu. Its not bad but its just not worth it to build a new system with it.

I would get which ever system is cheaper. Which will be the AMD 945 most of the time. Make sure your system has a nice graphics card for your gaming needs. Either cpu will do just fine. So get whats cheaper and spend more on the graphics side.
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November 4, 2009 2:02:18 AM

someguy7 said:
I did not read all the specs for the machines you listed. Just the cpus.

I would leave out the q9400 cpu. Its not bad but its just not worth it to build a new system with it.

I would get which ever system is cheaper. Which will be the AMD 945 most of the time. Make sure your system has a nice graphics card for your gaming needs. Either cpu will do just fine. So get whats cheaper and spend more on the graphics side.


The AMD I listed only had DDR2. How much of a factor will that make? Remember I am coming from a Turian laptop that is 3 years old. Costco has that Phenom II 945 with 12 GB DDR2 1 TB HDD for $599.99. They sell the GTX260 card for 179.99 and I can get a power supply from compusa. Will I need to get another PSU if I upgrade to a gtx260 card. I really cannot afford more than $200 for a gpu at this time but maybe you all have suggestions on a better card and the power supply I would need. But would the ddr2 be a deal breaker on this? Thanks again for your help and forgive me for my noobness to this all.
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November 4, 2009 5:01:34 PM

DDR2 still runs great and with a 64-bit OS you can bring it up to 8 GB and have all the RAM that you should need for a few years. The GTX 260 is not a bad card by any means, but you may also want to check out either the ATI 5750 or 5770. These are also great cards that run a bit cheaper. Also these cards are designed with full support for DirectX 11 which is bundled with Windows 7. The 5750 can be purchased from tigerdirect.com or new egg.com for about 140. Both of these sites have great reputations and good customer service. But if you are uncomfortable with buying online compusa may also carry these cards.
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November 4, 2009 7:05:47 PM

ordos96 said:
DDR2 still runs great and with a 64-bit OS you can bring it up to 8 GB and have all the RAM that you should need for a few years. The GTX 260 is not a bad card by any means, but you may also want to check out either the ATI 5750 or 5770. These are also great cards that run a bit cheaper. Also these cards are designed with full support for DirectX 11 which is bundled with Windows 7. The 5750 can be purchased from tigerdirect.com or new egg.com for about 140. Both of these sites have great reputations and good customer service. But if you are uncomfortable with buying online compusa may also carry these cards.


what size psu would I need for the 5750 or 5770? thank you
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November 4, 2009 7:19:24 PM

These are pretty efficient and have a lot of future potential, but you should be fine on a 450 Watt or a 500 Watt. If you later decide to run these in Xfire then you may want to go with a 600Watt to be on the safe side but you can still probably run 2 in Xfire with a 500 Watt with no problems.
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