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August 9, 2009 11:42:03 PM

Hey im a student and i dont have much money! I would like to get a computer for gaming, movies and music etc but its got to be $450 or less with OS. Can u guys help me out?

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: In a month or two

BUDGET RANGE: Max $450 though less is obviously better

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, music, internet surfing, movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitor, keyboard, mouse, maybe case (Its an old thermaltake Xaser III)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg.ca i dunno any place where there may be good deals

PARTS PREFERENCES: No preference but i have heard AMD is great for budget comps

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No, though maybe in the future

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1280x1024

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: My favourite games are RPGs (cant wait for Dragon Age Origins!) and Team Fortress 2 so even a relatively non-powerful card like a 4670 or 9600GSO would do.

Thanks a lot im sort of a noob and i dont know much about the new Athlon X2s or motherboards so any help would be appreciated!

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a b 4 Gaming
August 10, 2009 12:05:24 AM

Read my thread listed in my signature. My bargain build fits your budget & requirements specially if you don't get a new case with your build.
August 10, 2009 12:10:57 AM

You can't get much in the budget range - an inexpensive Dell might be your best bet despite its limitations.

You could take a look at this link which has a $528 build (note it is without O/S - they were planning on using Windows 7 free beta I think - and without shipping and tax) and trim the components.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...

The discussion in the thread may give you some ideas for ways to cut cost. The 4670 would be a cheaper card. You could save $30 with a cheaper case and $10 with a cheaper DVDRW drive. While I hate to see you do it, you could also cut back to a dual core processor and only 2GB of memory, and a cheaper PSU. And maybe find some comb deals - especially on a case and PSU.

Have you searched the forum for other cheap builds?
Have you looked on eBAy? You might find your best fit there - although with some related risks for purchasing there.
Alternatively, have you considered a used machine from Craigslist? At least there you might be able to check out the machine before purchasing and know where the buyer lives. Note I do not mean to suggest eBay is not a good option - I bought a new Dell there years ago that I was very happy with. Still you take a risk.
Related resources
August 10, 2009 3:02:17 AM

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E5200 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS H467QSS1GP Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 300 case + Antec Earthwatts 380w PSU combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $419.38

You can download the Windows 7 RC and use it until March to save some money right now.

Hope I'm not forgetting anything.
a b 4 Gaming
August 10, 2009 3:30:03 AM

Ya Win 7 RC ftw and reuse ya case:
August 10, 2009 5:22:38 AM

I like your build batuchka

Zo - particlularly note the advantages of the AMD system for upgradability:

1. Continuing CPU upgrade posibilities with AM3 socket that AMD is still developing for compared to the Intel LGA775 socket which is being replaced by socket for the i7 CPU
2. Easy to add more memory - you will have 2 free slots to later add more
3. SLI mobo so you can easily just add another matching graphics card for almost double the power instead of having to replace.

If budget permits, might upgrade one or more of a few items:

Increase WD Blue HD from 160GB to 320GB - also increases cache from 8GB to 16GB - for only $10 more
(You really should do this one - very cheap memory addition)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Upgrade video card to EVGA GTS 250 -$10 more AR (note that even the 4850 recommended above will run cirlces around the 4670)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


a b 4 Gaming
August 10, 2009 6:13:11 AM

rockyjohn said:


Upgrade video card to EVGA GTS 250 -$10 more AR (note that even the 4850 recommended above will run cirlces around the 4670)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


a gts 250 isnt a better card than a 4850 . Its better in some titles , worse in others so paying more for one is marginal at best IMO

If the OP wanted to blow the whole $450 then upgrading to 4 gig of RAM is probably the best choice for performances since batuchkas [ very good ] build only has 2 gig

a 2 x2 gig kit of ddr3 will be about $75
August 10, 2009 3:50:54 PM

tecmo34 said:
Read my thread listed in my signature. My bargain build fits your budget & requirements specially if you don't get a new case with your build.


About your build.. Isnt that an AM3 CPU so wont the DDR2 RAM not be compatible? Also, if I change the CPU to a 245 Regor would it have a significant impact on performance?
August 10, 2009 3:56:30 PM

Thanks everyone!! I just wanted to say that im in canada and the canadian newegg does not have some combos that batuchka has advised. I would also like to get an AMD build for the reasons rockyjohn has mentioned (upgradability etc.)

August 10, 2009 3:57:25 PM

zohaibrkhan said:
About your build.. Isnt that an AM3 CPU so wont the DDR2 RAM not be compatible? Also, if I change the CPU to a 245 Regor would it have a significant impact on performance?

am3 cpu can use ddr2 an ddr3 an most regor cores aren't that much different the 250 an 550 are just a lil better in gaming a multithreading
August 10, 2009 4:39:31 PM
August 10, 2009 4:44:04 PM

win rc is very stable
August 11, 2009 12:02:23 AM

May not be able to use win 7 now though, I think someone told me last night was the last night to download it.
August 11, 2009 2:00:55 AM

Ah, I stand corrected. This is what someone had told me. I am using vista so was not too worried about it:) 
August 11, 2009 4:33:28 AM

^No worries we're all here to help, we might be wrong sometimes, but that's how we learn, correct?

To OP, you live in canada correct because of the newegg.ca
Maybe try ncix.com it can price match items on other sites
I would suggest use ncix to pricematch directcanada because then you'll have cheaper stuff

directcanada is usually cheaper than ncix :D 
August 11, 2009 4:36:55 AM

Also batuchka listed a pretty good build, but the 4850 isn't needed if you are running 1280x1024 maybe get the 4770 or 4670. Read tom's review about 4770 or 4670 it is decent enough to play at 1280x1024 med-high settings depending on game
August 12, 2009 1:56:40 AM

Ok so batuchka's build is pretty good, but I cant find that RAM on newegg.ca can anyone make any more suggestions for cheap but good DDR3 RAM?
August 12, 2009 2:01:39 AM

A note about the OS, if you are a college student, I find that a lot of college campuses offer free OS to their students. This is of course under the assumption that you are a college student.
a b 4 Gaming
August 12, 2009 11:08:26 AM

Well thats true about HD 4670 being good to go for 1280 x 1024. Tried and available benchmarks for that exact resolution for Crysis medium so all other games at that resolution would be fine ^^ The price/performance HD4850 these days though...
August 12, 2009 11:50:54 PM

I agree with others that you should try to go for the 4850 is you can - for only about $35 more, you would essentially increase the gaming power of your system by over 50% - and would be very beneficial, especially important for some games, or if you wanted to increase the graphic settings or later move to a larger monitor.

An example would be this ASUS 4850 card for $107
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Compare the performance of 4670 v/ 4850:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Keep in mind that you have now selected single slot x16 board, so unlike the crossfire board batuchka recommended, you will not be able to simply add another card to double up but will have to "discard" the 4670 and buy a much larger card to increase performance later.
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