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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 4:44:35 PM

Archived from groups: alt.video.ptv.tivo (More info?)

Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
is a series 2, with a second HD added.

Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
I really can't just replace it.

I am comfortable with opening the unit and working on it if I have an
idea of what the problem actually is, such as the power supply or HD,
for example.

Any ideas will be GREATLY appreciated, as I am very spoiled by my TIVO
and can't imagine life without it, as I am sure you all understand.

Thanks in advance,
Doug S.

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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 10:15:23 PM

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In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>, dougs02
@spamsux.pobox.com says...
> Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
> back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
> can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
> front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
> I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
> is a series 2, with a second HD added.

Ahh, but was the coax on a surge protector as well? And not the little
cheapies from walmart, either. They do nothing. My guess, it's fried.


>
> Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
> assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
> it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
> I really can't just replace it.
>

No, you've voided your warranty, so tivo won't do anything with it. And
yes, you'll have to replace it.
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 10:15:24 PM

Archived from groups: alt.video.ptv.tivo (More info?)

>>Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
>>assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
>>it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
>>I really can't just replace it.
>>
>
>
> No, you've voided your warranty, so tivo won't do anything with it. And
> yes, you'll have to replace it.
>

Is it irreperably modded? If you haven't made any permanent physical
alterations I'd suggest you could put it back into the original
configuration and still be covered under warranty. It's probably
cheating slightly, but worth a try. At least in the spirit of things
you wouldn't be being dishonest since you didn't cause it to fail. You
could swap your mods back in after the repair.

Randy S.
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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 10:27:55 PM

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In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>,
Doug S. <dougs02@spamsux.pobox.com> wrote:
>Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
>back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
>can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
>front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
>I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
>is a series 2, with a second HD added.

Do you know if BOTH hard drives are coming on?

Have you tried the Svideo source if you're using the composite output, or
vice versa?

I could be wrong, but I thought that the very first screen that is output
comes out of ROM, so (I thought) you'd get the first 'starting up' screen
even if the hard drive didn't power on.

>Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
>assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
>it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
>I really can't just replace it.

I hope you kept the original drive. If you can't get any video out of it,
you could put the original drive back, and at the VERY least, get it
replaced by the manufacturer for approximately $100, and the lifetime
service will be transferred. (Note I did _NOT_ say you can just go buy
another unit.. you can't.)

>I am comfortable with opening the unit and working on it if I have an
>idea of what the problem actually is, such as the power supply or HD,
>for example.

As I originally asked -- it would be useful to know if power was going to
both drives -- though in that case you're likely screwed(*) if you don't have
the original drive or a single-drive backup.

(*) For various definitions of screwed. If you have another Tivo of the
same variety, you could use the backup/restore tools to get an image off of
that one. I thought there was someone who sold legitimate CDs of the
Tivo software, but I don't remember who that is/was. (It doesn't appear to
be weaknees, unless I can't find it.)

There's some info that may be useful at
http://www.weaknees.com/powering_up.php
--
mattack@vax.hanford.org
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 10:32:56 PM

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Others have answered a 'short term' solution. Your long
term solution - to make this not happen again - should be made
obvious from what you have learned and what has been posted
here previously:
> (yes, it is on a surge protector)

The adjacent protector does not claim to protect from this
type of destructive transient AND can even contribute to
damage of the adjacent transistors. Review that surge
protector's own specs for the conveniently 'forgotten'
details. What they forget to mention is protection from the
type of transient that typically damages Tivos.

This was discussed previously (including solutions) in
"Surge Supressors?" on 13 Jun 2003 in the newsgroup
alt.video.ptv.tivo at
http://tinyurl.com/qbj9 .

Effective solutions are sold in both Home Depot (Intermatic)
and Lowes (Cutler Hammer and GE). No effective solution
exists in Sears, Kmart, Staples, Walmart, Circuit City, Radio
Shack, Best Buy, or even Tru-Value Hardware stores. Effective
solutions are sold in brand names such as Square D,
Polyphaser, Leviton, Erico, Furse, Intermatic, Siemens, Cutler
Hammer, and GE. Names associated with responsible electrical
brands; as opposed to who made your protector?

Provided in previous discussions are numbers. No numbers is
but one way to promote ineffective protectors. For example,
how many joules on that Tivo protector? Post that number.

In the meantime, protection is defined by earthing - which
effective protectors make a short connection to. See that
previous discussion for details.

"Doug S." wrote:
> Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
> back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
> can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
> front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
> I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
> is a series 2, with a second HD added.
>
> Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
> assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
> it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
> I really can't just replace it.
>
> I am comfortable with opening the unit and working on it if I have an
> idea of what the problem actually is, such as the power supply or HD,
> for example.
>
> Any ideas will be GREATLY appreciated, as I am very spoiled by my TIVO
> and can't imagine life without it, as I am sure you all understand.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug S.
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 12:56:02 AM

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mattack@vax.hanford.org wrote:
> In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>,
> Doug S. <dougs02@spamsux.pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
>>back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
>> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
>>can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
>>front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
>>I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
>>is a series 2, with a second HD added.
>
>
> Do you know if BOTH hard drives are coming on?
>
> Have you tried the Svideo source if you're using the composite output, or
> vice versa?
>
> I could be wrong, but I thought that the very first screen that is output
> comes out of ROM, so (I thought) you'd get the first 'starting up' screen
> even if the hard drive didn't power on.
>

Never as much as a pixel, and no sound as well, so I don't expect that
changing the video output is going to work, though it is easy enough to
try. As for both drives powering up, I will have to pull it out and
check on that. I can't say at this point if either one is, or if I am
just hearing the fan.

>
>>Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
>>assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
>>it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
>>I really can't just replace it.
>
>
> I hope you kept the original drive. If you can't get any video out of it,
> you could put the original drive back, and at the VERY least, get it
> replaced by the manufacturer for approximately $100, and the lifetime
> service will be transferred. (Note I did _NOT_ say you can just go buy
> another unit.. you can't.)
>

The original drive is still installed along with a second drive from
Weaknees. I am hoping that this weekend I can at least restore the unit
to it's original configuration so I can see what happens when TIVO gets
it. My concern there is that it will be apparent that there was at one
time a second drive installed, either visible evidence, or on the TV
when starting the unit after replacing the defective part(s).

>
>>I am comfortable with opening the unit and working on it if I have an
>>idea of what the problem actually is, such as the power supply or HD,
>>for example.
>
>
> As I originally asked -- it would be useful to know if power was going to
> both drives -- though in that case you're likely screwed(*) if you don't have
> the original drive or a single-drive backup.

That is something I will have to check on this weekend. Would it make
sense if this is the case to buy a used TIVO of the same model on e-bay
and swap drives? It appears that I can pick up the same model without
any upgrades for $50-$60 and could just switch the drives around. Then
when the unit comes back, assuming TIVO repairs or exchanges it, I could
put my drives back in, hopefully saving my upgrade as well as the
programing on it, though that is secondary at this point.

Thanks for your input, it has been very helpful.

Doug

>
> (*) For various definitions of screwed. If you have another Tivo of the
> same variety, you could use the backup/restore tools to get an image off of
> that one. I thought there was someone who sold legitimate CDs of the
> Tivo software, but I don't remember who that is/was. (It doesn't appear to
> be weaknees, unless I can't find it.)
>
> There's some info that may be useful at
> http://www.weaknees.com/powering_up.php
April 6, 2005 1:07:20 AM

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In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>, dougs02@spamsux.pobox.com wrote:
>Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
>back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
>can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
>front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
>I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
>is a series 2, with a second HD added.
>
>Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
>assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
>it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
>I really can't just replace it.
>
>I am comfortable with opening the unit and working on it if I have an
>idea of what the problem actually is, such as the power supply or HD,
>for example.
>
>Any ideas will be GREATLY appreciated, as I am very spoiled by my TIVO
>and can't imagine life without it, as I am sure you all understand.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Doug S.
If you have fried it, remove the second hard drive and any mounting brackets
you may have placed in there and then contact TIVO (or directv is a DirecTivo)
and arrange for a replacement.

Dont tell them you even had it modded.
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 1:07:21 AM

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:07:20 GMT, glenzabr@nospam.xmission.com (GMAN)
wrote:

>In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>, dougs02@spamsux.pobox.com wrote:
>>Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
>>back on my TIVO would no longer work. It
>>is a series 2, with a second HD added.
>>
>>Any ideas will be GREATLY appreciated, as I am very spoiled by my TIVO
>>and can't imagine life without it, as I am sure you all understand.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Doug S.
>
>If you have fried it, remove the second hard drive and any mounting brackets
>you may have placed in there and then contact TIVO (or directv is a DirecTivo)
>and arrange for a replacement.
>
>Dont tell them you even had it modded.


Well, I'm not sure that even reverting to the original drive,
bracketry, etc., would be enough.

When I modified my series 1, there was a sticker on the back over the
seam between the cover and the housing that I had to break. If the
series 2 had anything like that, TIVO may see it. However, that said,
I think that the OP doesn't have much to lose by trying. I say go for
it.
April 6, 2005 1:07:22 AM

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"George Max" <lazarus@removethis.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5vv551di7hmh7f65n7m14jtp9op7lhsucc@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:07:20 GMT, glenzabr@nospam.xmission.com (GMAN)
> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I'm not sure that even reverting to the original drive,
> bracketry, etc., would be enough.
>
> When I modified my series 1, there was a sticker on the back over the
> seam between the cover and the housing that I had to break. If the
> series 2 had anything like that, TIVO may see it. However, that said,
> I think that the OP doesn't have much to lose by trying. I say go for
> it.
>

First, my new S2 didn't have this "seal" on it at all.
Second, I've modified quite a few S1 units and found the "seal" to be easily
removed and reapplied.
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 5:22:29 AM

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Doug S. wrote:
> Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
> back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I can
> feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
> front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video. I
> have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
> is a series 2, with a second HD added.

When a disk fails, or TiVo does not even see it, the symptoms are the
Green Screen Of Not Quite Death or the "Almost there..." gray screen.
If the green LED is pulsing yellow in response to the remote, it means
that the box has gotten past that point - the TiVo application "myworld"
is running.

Check to see if anything is coming out the coax RF output.
I'm expecting that you'll see a black screen (no snow).
That would mean that the RF modulator is working but not
getting any input. Could be a burned-out MPEG chip.

> Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
> assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
> it.

It's too late now, but I would have recommended adding two new disks
so that the original could be put on the shelf just for such contingencies.

-Joe
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 5:35:48 PM

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:44:35 -0500, Doug S. wrote:

> Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
> back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
> can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
> front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
> I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
> is a series 2, with a second HD added.
>
> Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
> assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
> it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
> I really can't just replace it.
>
> I am comfortable with opening the unit and working on it if I have an
> idea of what the problem actually is, such as the power supply or HD,
> for example.
>
> Any ideas will be GREATLY appreciated, as I am very spoiled by my TIVO
> and can't imagine life without it, as I am sure you all understand.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug S.

Some Series 2 units have small power supplies (30-35 Watts or so) that won't
reliably handle the startup current for two hard drives. Disconnect the
second drive and see if the first one fires up.
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 6:42:40 PM

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"GMAN" <glenzabr@nospam.xmission.com> wrote in message
news:D 2uupr$s46$2@news.xmission.com...
> In article <91p5511jaiafajkhn6vtev5hqlt6185l9i@4ax.com>, Sean <none>
wrote:
> >On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:15:23 GMT, theyak <yak@dev.null> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>, dougs02
> >>@spamsux.pobox.com says...
> >>> Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came

<snip>

You can transfer the lifetime so, even if it's fried, you can get a new one
and transfer it to the new one.

Scotty
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 3:42:35 AM

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> That is something I will have to check on this weekend. Would it make
> sense if this is the case to buy a used TIVO of the same model on e-bay
> and swap drives? It appears that I can pick up the same model without
> any upgrades for $50-$60 and could just switch the drives around. Then
> when the unit comes back, assuming TIVO repairs or exchanges it, I could
> put my drives back in, hopefully saving my upgrade as well as the
> programing on it, though that is secondary at this point.

Sounds reasonable. Although by the time you get the used unit, screw around
with swapping and sending it back, you could just as easily cannibalize it
for parts and save yourself the added shipping costs back to Tivo for
repairs. Granted, getting it fixed would get you a second unit. Albeit by
perpetrating a fraud in the process. But hey, it's extremely unlikely the
grunts refurbing these units will put any effort into actually checking the
legitimacy of the deal. And even if they did, what're they gonna bother
doing? Hold it hostage for the repair costs? You already rearranged the
parts so it's not like it'd matter.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 11:51:09 AM

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wkearney99 wrote:
>>That is something I will have to check on this weekend. Would it make
>>sense if this is the case to buy a used TIVO of the same model on e-bay
>>and swap drives? It appears that I can pick up the same model without
>>any upgrades for $50-$60 and could just switch the drives around. Then
>>when the unit comes back, assuming TIVO repairs or exchanges it, I could
>> put my drives back in, hopefully saving my upgrade as well as the
>>programing on it, though that is secondary at this point.
>
>
> Sounds reasonable. Although by the time you get the used unit, screw around
> with swapping and sending it back, you could just as easily cannibalize it
> for parts and save yourself the added shipping costs back to Tivo for
> repairs. Granted, getting it fixed would get you a second unit. Albeit by
> perpetrating a fraud in the process. But hey, it's extremely unlikely the
> grunts refurbing these units will put any effort into actually checking the
> legitimacy of the deal. And even if they did, what're they gonna bother
> doing? Hold it hostage for the repair costs? You already rearranged the
> parts so it's not like it'd matter.
>

I think the point is that the failed unit has a lifetime sub, so getting
it fixed would keep his subscription.

Randy S.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 5:48:08 PM

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Randy S. wrote:
> wkearney99 wrote:
>
>>> That is something I will have to check on this weekend. Would it make
>>> sense if this is the case to buy a used TIVO of the same model on e-bay
>>> and swap drives? It appears that I can pick up the same model without
>>> any upgrades for $50-$60 and could just switch the drives around. Then
>>> when the unit comes back, assuming TIVO repairs or exchanges it, I could
>>> put my drives back in, hopefully saving my upgrade as well as the
>>> programing on it, though that is secondary at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds reasonable. Although by the time you get the used unit, screw
>> around
>> with swapping and sending it back, you could just as easily
>> cannibalize it
>> for parts and save yourself the added shipping costs back to Tivo for
>> repairs. Granted, getting it fixed would get you a second unit.
>> Albeit by
>> perpetrating a fraud in the process. But hey, it's extremely unlikely
>> the
>> grunts refurbing these units will put any effort into actually
>> checking the
>> legitimacy of the deal. And even if they did, what're they gonna bother
>> doing? Hold it hostage for the repair costs? You already rearranged the
>> parts so it's not like it'd matter.
>>
>
> I think the point is that the failed unit has a lifetime sub, so getting
> it fixed would keep his subscription.
>
> Randy S.

Exactly. I have purchased a used (presumably dead) unit and will use
that drive to send it in. When it comes back, I can put my drives back
in it and save the other drive in case I ever need it again. All I
really care about is the subscription, aside from that I wouldn't mind
upgrading the unit anyway.

Doug S.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 6:51:07 PM

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"Scott Nelson - Wash DC" <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> wrote in message
news:AzS4e.960$B12.14@trnddc09...
> "GMAN" <glenzabr@nospam.xmission.com> wrote in message
> news:D 2uupr$s46$2@news.xmission.com...
>> In article <91p5511jaiafajkhn6vtev5hqlt6185l9i@4ax.com>, Sean <none>
> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:15:23 GMT, theyak <yak@dev.null> wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>, dougs02
>> >>@spamsux.pobox.com says...
>> >>> Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
>
> <snip>
>
> You can transfer the lifetime so, even if it's fried, you can get a new one
> and transfer it to the new one.

By policy, the lifetime only transfers to a new machine if Tivo replaces your
machine as part of an official repair. I believe they will repair modded
units, however the repair will not be covered under the warranty. If you
replace the machine yourself, you will have to convince a CSR to make a policy
exception to transfer the lifetime service. I've heard of it happening
before, but good luck if you attempt that route.

Ken
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 7:12:30 PM

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"Joe Smith" <joe@inwap.com> wrote in message
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>
> When a disk fails, or TiVo does not even see it, the symptoms are the Green
> Screen Of Not Quite Death or the "Almost there..." gray screen.

In PCs, if you hook the IDE cable up backwards, the system generally doesn't
power up at all - fans will spin, hard drives will start whirring, but you get
a blank screen.

I'm not saying his IDE cable is backwards, but it's possible that a blown hard
drive could cause symptoms similar to a mis-connected one.

I would also try the different output options, in case one of the output
connectors was fried but the others still work.

Ken
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 10:49:27 PM

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In article <d340n4$5rb$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
Ken Alverson <USENET.Ken@Alverson.net> wrote:
>"Joe Smith" <joe@inwap.com> wrote in message
>news:NqCdnY2nr_LeAc7fRVn-vg@comcast.com...
>>
>> When a disk fails, or TiVo does not even see it, the symptoms are the Green
>> Screen Of Not Quite Death or the "Almost there..." gray screen.
>
>In PCs, if you hook the IDE cable up backwards, the system generally doesn't
>power up at all - fans will spin, hard drives will start whirring, but you get
>a blank screen.

Yes, but Tivos aren't PCs.

>I'm not saying his IDE cable is backwards, but it's possible that a blown hard
>drive could cause symptoms similar to a mis-connected one.

But I think the first screens that come out of Tivo come out of ROM, so
miswiring/dead hard drives shouldn't affect this.
--
mattack@vax.hanford.org
Anonymous
April 8, 2005 1:14:25 PM

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<mattack@vax.hanford.org> wrote in message
news:D 34nv7$n9i$1@vax.hanford.org...
> In article <d340n4$5rb$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
> Ken Alverson <USENET.Ken@Alverson.net> wrote:
>>
>>In PCs, if you hook the IDE cable up backwards, the system generally doesn't
>>power up at all - fans will spin, hard drives will start whirring, but you
>>get
>>a blank screen.
>
> Yes, but Tivos aren't PCs.

They are not, however, they share a lot of architectural similarities.

>>I'm not saying his IDE cable is backwards, but it's possible that a blown
>>hard
>>drive could cause symptoms similar to a mis-connected one.
>
> But I think the first screens that come out of Tivo come out of ROM, so
> miswiring/dead hard drives shouldn't affect this.

And the first screen on a PC comes out of the ROM BIOS, but a miswired hard
drive prevents even that from appearing.

It's probably not the hard drive, it's probably the power supply or the video
output hardware. But I'm just throwing outpossibilities.

Ken
Anonymous
April 8, 2005 11:25:56 PM

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In article <d3645q$j48$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
Ken Alverson <USENET.Ken@Alverson.net> wrote:
>It's probably not the hard drive, it's probably the power supply or the video
>output hardware.

Yeah, that's why I was suggesting he try the other video output(s) to
see if he gets no video on them either. If he gets video on some outputs,
that's better than nothing, and may be tenable for now.
--
mattack@vax.hanford.org
Anonymous
April 11, 2005 8:10:40 PM

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:15:23 GMT, theyak <yak@dev.null> wrote:

>In article <1155jk422m0hs85@corp.supernews.com>, dougs02
>@spamsux.pobox.com says...
>> Last night my electricity went out for a while. After the power came
>> back on my TIVO would no longer work (yes, it is on a surge protector).
>> Now all I get is a black screen. The green LED does come on, and I
>> can feel a vibration, either the fan or HD. When I use the remote, the
>> front panel LEDs respond, but nothing else happens, no sound or video.
>> I have tried unplugging it and still the same thing, nothing at all. It
>> is a series 2, with a second HD added.
>
>Ahh, but was the coax on a surge protector as well? And not the little
>cheapies from walmart, either. They do nothing. My guess, it's fried.
>
>
>>
>> Any ideas on A) what the problem is and B) what my option are. I am
>> assuming that with the second drive added, TIVO won't do anything for
>> it. I just purchased a lifetime subscription for this unit recently, so
>> I really can't just replace it.
>>
>
>No, you've voided your warranty, so tivo won't do anything with it. And
>yes, you'll have to replace it.

Last summer, I lost a S1 Tivo; cable modem; firewall/router; and the
NIC on my pc, after a lightning strike on my street burnt out the
whole power line down my street. But the only things damaged were the
things on the coax (or connected with cat 5).

I would suspect a surge on the coax as well.

-Martin O'B
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 1:19:33 AM

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Until earthing path is identified, then one cannot assume
how damage occurred. A destructive transient seeks earth via
appliances. Only after the transient is passing through
everything in that path, then something fails.

For example, a properly installed coax is earthed where it
enters the building. Transient incoming on AC electric wire;
outgoing on coax. If both incoming and outgoing path does not
exist, then no damage. For example, the clock has an incoming
path - AC electric. But no outgoing path to earth. Therefore
clock is not damaged.

This assumes the coax was earthed - properly installed.
Inspection starts with earthing. How does a destructive
transient enter appliances via coax if the coax is earthed?
It does not. Why? Earthing (and not protectors) are the
protection.

How to avoid future damage? Earth incoming AC electric
wires (and all other utility wires). But if AC electric is
earthed directly (like the coax), then no electricity comes
from the utility. That is what a protector does. A 'whole
house' protector is located where AC mains enter the building
(ie circuit breaker box) to protect those coax appliances.
The 'whole house' protector earths AC electric transient.

Solution starts with facts. A destructive surge seeks earth
ground. Protection is the single point earth ground. Every
incoming utility wire must make a 'less than 10 foot'
connection to the same earth ground used by all incoming
utilities - the single point earth ground. Protectors being
only as effective as their earthing. Details provided in my
other post dated 5 Apr 2005.

Martin O'Brien wrote:
> Last summer, I lost a S1 Tivo; cable modem; firewall/router; and the
> NIC on my pc, after a lightning strike on my street burnt out the
> whole power line down my street. But the only things damaged were the
> things on the coax (or connected with cat 5).
>
> I would suspect a surge on the coax as well.
>
> -Martin O'B
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 7:39:04 AM

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In article <425C73A5.B3563FFB@hotmail.com>, w_tom1@hotmail.com says...
>
> Until earthing path is identified, then one cannot assume
> how damage occurred. A destructive transient seeks earth via
> appliances. Only after the transient is passing through
> everything in that path, then something fails.
>
> For example, a properly installed coax is earthed where it
> enters the building. Transient incoming on AC electric wire;
> outgoing on coax. If both incoming and outgoing path does not
> exist, then no damage. For example, the clock has an incoming
> path - AC electric. But no outgoing path to earth. Therefore
> clock is not damaged.
>
> This assumes the coax was earthed - properly installed.
> Inspection starts with earthing. How does a destructive
> transient enter appliances via coax if the coax is earthed?
> It does not. Why? Earthing (and not protectors) are the
> protection.
>
> How to avoid future damage? Earth incoming AC electric
> wires (and all other utility wires). But if AC electric is
> earthed directly (like the coax), then no electricity comes
> from the utility. That is what a protector does. A 'whole
> house' protector is located where AC mains enter the building
> (ie circuit breaker box) to protect those coax appliances.
> The 'whole house' protector earths AC electric transient.
>
> Solution starts with facts. A destructive surge seeks earth
> ground. Protection is the single point earth ground. Every
> incoming utility wire must make a 'less than 10 foot'
> connection to the same earth ground used by all incoming
> utilities - the single point earth ground. Protectors being
> only as effective as their earthing. Details provided in my
> other post dated 5 Apr 2005.
>


Please post a scan of your electrician's license (I suppose a scan of
your electrical engineering degree would work, too).
!