I read the reviews. And most of the comments. Just want some "A" or "B" opinions on my specific case. It sounds like the 4650 isn't even in the running, but I am not opposed to an alternative like the 4670 if the combination of 1GB memory and DDR3 is going to make it perform better for my specific uses. For that matter, I am open to any alternative if the performance is better and the price is similar. (ex. an Nvidia alternative?)
3850: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-agp-3850-agp,1939.html
4650: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4650-agp,2383.html
4670: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161284
System
AMD Athlon 64-3200+
Gigabyte K8N-Pro
DDR 2 GB PC3200
HDs: Old-school raptors, non-RAID. Soon to be Intel X25-M (if between them and Newegg they can get their act together)
also looking to upgrade a 2nd system: the same but with 1GB of DDR and the 64-3000+ processor.
Games
GTA:SA/MTA-SA
Source: TF2, L4D (and assumably L4D2 when it comes out, if Valve and I agree on what a "fair" price is for owners of the original )
id Tech 4: ETQW, D3, maybe Wolfenstein depending on what develops with that scene.
WIC
Fallout 3
Bonus: COD4; if I can run Crysis good enough to play MWLL mod, I might get that game.
Plenty of old games too, but nothing that my X850 doesn't already excel at.
Considerations
■Overall, I value high resolution, high quality models, and good framerates more than texture quality, but I would like to avoid textures less than "medium" when possible. And obviously in shooters I value the FPS that much more. For RTS/RPG it's not a huge deal, and in fact in those games I might be more inclined to go for nicer look and sacrifice frames.
■Seems like there was some (possibly well-deserved) FUD going around about drivers/support for these back when they first came out, but do you think ATI supports them properly these days?
■My main question affecting this decision regards the 256-bit memory bandwidth in the 3850. Is this card going to be faster than any 128-bit option no matter what? Is there any reason to consider one of the 1GB DDR3 128-bit cards?
I would like to see definitive answers, like "Choose X!" with maybe a sentence or two of supporting reasoning. I am basically ready to buy a 3850 today, barring any unexpected vouches for the 4000-series cards. (In the broader scope: I am aware that a PCI-e upgrade might be a better solution, but I am not looking to build a new system right now.)
Thanks very much in advance for your opinions and advice!
3850: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-agp-3850-agp,1939.html
4650: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4650-agp,2383.html
4670: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161284
System
AMD Athlon 64-3200+
Gigabyte K8N-Pro
DDR 2 GB PC3200
HDs: Old-school raptors, non-RAID. Soon to be Intel X25-M (if between them and Newegg they can get their act together)
also looking to upgrade a 2nd system: the same but with 1GB of DDR and the 64-3000+ processor.
Games
GTA:SA/MTA-SA
Source: TF2, L4D (and assumably L4D2 when it comes out, if Valve and I agree on what a "fair" price is for owners of the original )
id Tech 4: ETQW, D3, maybe Wolfenstein depending on what develops with that scene.
WIC
Fallout 3
Bonus: COD4; if I can run Crysis good enough to play MWLL mod, I might get that game.
Plenty of old games too, but nothing that my X850 doesn't already excel at.
Considerations
■Overall, I value high resolution, high quality models, and good framerates more than texture quality, but I would like to avoid textures less than "medium" when possible. And obviously in shooters I value the FPS that much more. For RTS/RPG it's not a huge deal, and in fact in those games I might be more inclined to go for nicer look and sacrifice frames.
■Seems like there was some (possibly well-deserved) FUD going around about drivers/support for these back when they first came out, but do you think ATI supports them properly these days?
■My main question affecting this decision regards the 256-bit memory bandwidth in the 3850. Is this card going to be faster than any 128-bit option no matter what? Is there any reason to consider one of the 1GB DDR3 128-bit cards?
I would like to see definitive answers, like "Choose X!" with maybe a sentence or two of supporting reasoning. I am basically ready to buy a 3850 today, barring any unexpected vouches for the 4000-series cards. (In the broader scope: I am aware that a PCI-e upgrade might be a better solution, but I am not looking to build a new system right now.)
Thanks very much in advance for your opinions and advice!