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November 7, 2009 5:27:11 AM

I just built a computer using a core2duo E4700, intel 945GCNL mobo, 2gb ddr2 ram, 450 watt power supply, 160gb 7200 rpm harddrive. Running WinXP home. This thing is slow. My pentium 4 smokes this thing. Any suggestions on what to look foror how to find out what the problem is? This thing should be smoking fast. Even trying to browse the net hurts. Firefox, opera, IE all the same. Excel, word, Windows media player all slow as hell too. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bios is updated, no compatibility issues. Instal went without a hitch. No problems with build. 1st boot went without a hitch.

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November 7, 2009 5:30:14 AM

1. You have tons of crapware installed
2. You have a virus
3. Motherboard driver issue
4. Hard drive is dying

btw, check CPU load in task manager and give us some more info
November 7, 2009 5:37:35 AM

i have no crapware installed(assume you mean mal/spyware)
no viruses
new harddrive(this is the second one I'm trying, as it did the same with my other harddrive)
don't know how to tell if I have a mobo driver issue. Will check if you can guide me how to do it
thx
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November 7, 2009 5:50:45 AM

Any software you install will basically slow down your computer. Make sure you don't have a lot of programs that automatically starts on startup.

Is your OS updated, bootlegged, etc?

Also, what is your graphics card? Not installing drivers for your graphics card causes everything to "lag" on screen.
November 7, 2009 5:56:51 AM

only startup items are avg,zonealarm,adaware. Graphics card is Radeon 9250. drivers installed. Winxp home legit. fully updated, running IE7, did not update to ie8. Usually use to rip cd/dvd's, do spme song editing, pic editing, such as photoshop, watch videos
November 7, 2009 6:27:09 AM

Thats not a smoking fast machine or anything. How full is the HD? Its pretty small for multimedia use and will fill up fast. Have you done a defrag lately?

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don't know how to tell if I have a mobo driver issue. Will check if you can guide me how to do it
thx

Go to the motherboard manufacturers website and download the latest drivers.

Is that a PCI graphics card? If so that will be super slow.
November 7, 2009 6:46:27 AM

anort3 said:
Thats not a smoking fast machine or anything. How full is the HD? Its pretty small for multimedia use and will fill up fast. Have you done a defrag lately?

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don't know how to tell if I have a mobo driver issue. Will check if you can guide me how to do it
thx

Go to the motherboard manufacturers website and download the latest drivers.

Is that a PCI graphics card? If so that will be super slow.

It is better than what I had (Dell 2400 P4 2.4ghz)

November 7, 2009 6:48:31 AM

It is better than what I had (Dell 2400 P4 2.4ghz)
Hard drive 138gb free space
Have the latest drivers for mobo.
Yes, pci graphics card. Would the integrated be better than this?
November 7, 2009 6:50:11 AM

Also, have 2 hd's. 160gb is primary one.
November 7, 2009 6:53:46 AM

Yeah it should be faster than that.
Plenty of free space.
PCI card is probably a bit faster than integrated.

Not really sure what to tell you. What are your temps? Overheating could be causing the CPU to throttle down.
November 7, 2009 6:55:21 AM

IDE hard drives or SATA?
November 7, 2009 6:57:53 AM

IDE drives. Temps are fine. Got a huge cooling fan on processor with the purchase to make sure. Reads about 39 degrees
November 7, 2009 6:59:38 AM

System is just slow. Did a fresh install about 2 months ago and was ok. Progressively slowed since then. First install did same thing.
November 7, 2009 7:03:10 AM

Windows will always slow down over time but 2 months is insane. Download HD Tune and see if you are getting any disk errors.

http://www.hdtune.com/
November 7, 2009 7:08:58 AM

have cpu-z. what info do i need to supply?
November 7, 2009 7:11:55 AM

Just check that the processor and memory are at the right speed.
November 7, 2009 7:12:56 AM

With HD tune see if the drives are SMART enabled and make sure there are no errors. Also try error scan.
November 7, 2009 7:21:08 AM

Memory type-ddr2
size 2048mb
dram freq 332.5mhz
fsb:D ram 3.5
CL 5.0 clocks
tRCD 5 clocks
tRP 5 clocks
tRAS 15 clocks
tRC 21 clocks

CPu
clocks (core#0)
core speed 2593.7mhz
multiplier x13.0
bus speed 199.5mhz
Rated fsb 798.0 mhz

Cache
L1 data 2x32bytes
L1 inst 2x32 bytes
level 2 2048kbytes
November 7, 2009 7:21:09 AM

This is not the main problem but I hate that new Adaware its a huge resource hog. Get rid of it and download Spybot S@D.

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/mirrors/index.html I would not use the resident "tea timer" its pretty intrusive. The IE resident is up to you. It might block some websites though.
November 7, 2009 7:21:55 AM

Ok cpu-z looks right. Try HD Tune.
November 7, 2009 7:23:59 AM

HD Tune says SMARt enabled
running error scan now
Ran benchmark test
results
transfer rate
minumum 7.9mb sec
maximum 30.1mb sec
average 29.5mb sec
access time 15.2ms
burst rate 24.4mb sec
cpu usage 8.3%
November 7, 2009 7:25:41 AM

should there not be core 0 and core 1 listed in cpu-z?
November 7, 2009 7:27:04 AM

yea I noticed adaware is a huge resource hog. I generally do not keep it running, but havent noticed a difference whether its running or not.
November 7, 2009 7:28:37 AM

rugman1969 said:
should there not be core 0 and core 1 listed in cpu-z?



At the bottom right of the CPU tab it says Cores......should be 2
November 7, 2009 7:29:38 AM

yep sure does
November 7, 2009 7:32:08 AM

Those HD speeds are slow as hell. I have an old Seagate SATA 1.5 160gb drive on mine that shouldnt be MUCH faster than what you have.....
Minimum 28.2
Max 58.8
Avg 45.5
Access 12.8
Burst 88.6
CPU -1.2 lol

I think that HD is having issues. what does the Health page say?
November 7, 2009 7:32:22 AM

I'm starting to think the mobo may be going bad already. I cannot get the integrated video to work anymore. Tried re-installing drivers, updating drivers, nothing works. will only work on pci card now
November 7, 2009 7:36:00 AM

Health says status ok
anything in particular?
spin retry count is highlighted yellow
November 7, 2009 7:38:22 AM

supposed to be a 160gb seagate 7200rpm hd ide
November 7, 2009 7:40:08 AM

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spin retry count is highlighted yellow
Yeah so is mine on that Seagate. I dont know...you run an error scan?

Just to compare my 2 WD Black 640s in RAID 0

Minimum 90.3
Max 211.5
Avg 177.4
Access 7.8 <----matters most
burst 139.1
cpu -1
November 7, 2009 7:41:39 AM

running error scan now. damn, that's twice as fast as mine
November 7, 2009 7:42:53 AM

rugman1969 said:
running error scan now. damn, that's twice as fast as mine



Actually its 7 times faster .
November 7, 2009 7:44:17 AM

error scan is all green.
Funny but I have an old 80gb hd 5400rpm as secondary, and I switched to the 160 for primary because it did the same thing on the 80gb. started off good then progressively got slower
November 7, 2009 7:48:50 AM

should it be supporting 48 bit address? 160 does, but 80gb doesnt
November 7, 2009 7:49:10 AM

Thats weird man. Those benchs look way slow to me but I have not had IDE drives since 2005 so im not really sure.

That 5200rpm 40 is OLD at this point so I wouldnt expect much from it. You might look around ( google ) and see if those HD Tune numbers look good. This old Seagate is one of the first SATA drives I got in 2005 and is just for extra storage but it was alot faster than yours and I dont think it should have been that much faster.
November 7, 2009 7:50:42 AM

ran the benchmark on 80gb hd
transfer rate
min 12.7mb
max 26.5mb
avg 18.6mb
access time 13.9ms
burst 26.7mb
cpu usage 18.8%
November 7, 2009 7:50:42 AM

rugman1969 said:
should it be supporting 48 bit address? 160 does, but 80gb doesnt


80 is likely too old.
November 7, 2009 7:52:39 AM

rugman1969 said:
ran the benchmark on 80gb hd
transfer rate
min 12.7mb
max 26.5mb
avg 18.6mb
access time 13.9ms
burst 26.7mb
cpu usage 18.8%



See? That 5200rpm thing is almost as fast as the 7200rpm one........weird. I dont know, SMART will usually tell if one is dying.
November 7, 2009 7:54:21 AM

Well, I really appreciate the time and help. eventually I will get it figured out. Might have toend up getting a new cpu&mobo and a sata hd.
Thanks again. If you happen across anything, give me a shout.
November 7, 2009 7:55:24 AM

Is there a way to run SMART?
November 7, 2009 7:56:10 AM

NP at all man and good luck.
Hell if you do get a new HD get a SATA even if you do noy have any SATA ports. You can get a SATA PCI card for around $15 and that will be faster than IDE.
November 7, 2009 7:57:59 AM

rugman1969 said:
Is there a way to run SMART?



SMART is just an interface letting programs ( also BIOS...it has to be enabled there) like HD tune see errors and such. When you run HD tune the info in the Health tab is SMART reporting.
November 7, 2009 8:01:14 AM

Gotcha. Really, thanks again.
November 7, 2009 8:07:55 AM

Ok this is not the fix but I just thought of it......My computer/right click drive/properties.....try an error check there/defrag there/enable write caching if its not.

You can also turn off system restore to increase speed but I dont really reccommend it.

Good luck! :hello: 

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November 7, 2009 12:05:11 PM
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Regarding the hard drive, the speeds do look very slow, are you using a 40-wire ribbon (limited to 33MB/s) or the 80-wire ribbon (maximum of 133MB/s), as I'd expect a 160GB drive to reach about twice what you are getting and if you have the wrong cable it'll limit it to ATA-33 mode.
November 7, 2009 3:51:36 PM

Devastator_uk said:
Regarding the hard drive, the speeds do look very slow, are you using a 40-wire ribbon (limited to 33MB/s) or the 80-wire ribbon (maximum of 133MB/s), as I'd expect a 160GB drive to reach about twice what you are getting and if you have the wrong cable it'll limit it to ATA-33 mode.




How do I tell which ribbon I am using?
November 15, 2009 4:54:32 AM

I had the 40 wire ribbon. Replaced it with the 80 wire and that did the trick, or at least it sure helped. Thanks for yours and everyone else's help. It is really appreciated!





Devastator_uk said:
Regarding the hard drive, the speeds do look very slow, are you using a 40-wire ribbon (limited to 33MB/s) or the 80-wire ribbon (maximum of 133MB/s), as I'd expect a 160GB drive to reach about twice what you are getting and if you have the wrong cable it'll limit it to ATA-33 mode.
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