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*EDIT* sorry if this appears a long in the tooth jumble at first glance, but be assured all the relevant points related to asking for build advice are included in this post! Thanks!

I'm in the market to build a decent yet budget conscious gaming rig. This will be my first build from scratch so if I've made some glaring mistake in my selections please let me know! I plan to build this as soon as I get some feedback on my initial parts selection.

My main immediate use for it will be playing Warhammer online however I do plan to dabble in other more power hungry games.

I will have it connected full time via HDMI to my 50" HDTV set to run Warhammer in full 1080p with close to or max graphics settings. It will also serve to stream video/music from my main desktop/work computer (decked out quad-core G5 PowerMac) to the big screen/surround system.

I spent a few hours tooling around newegg and other various sources to find the most bang for my buck...went back and forth between springing for a low end i7 (found the 920 for only $199 at microcenter) or a higher core 2 quad. Decided to go with the quad as it seems to lead to cheaper components for the rest of the system.

Also debated between SLI or a single card...once again decided on single card due to cost factor.

Where I obtain the parts doesn't matter much, how much I pay for them is what matters...so if you know of better deals than I have listed please don't hesitate to share!

Here's what I came up with...

CPU = Core 2 Quad Q9550 $169.99 (I am able to pick up in store)
http://microcenter.com/single_prod [...] id=0299412

MOBO = Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L $79.99
I'm very encouraged by the second review down on newegg of this motherboard by someone stating they also put a Q9550 into it and managed to overclock it to 3.5 without issue...even if I can't get mine quite that high it'll be nice to squeeze a little extra power out of it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128380

GPU = EVGA 896-P3-1257-AR GTX 260 896MB Superclocked PCI-E 2.0 16x $159.99 (with rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130433

RAM = OCZ Reaper 2x 2GB DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) $42.99 (with rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227289

HD = 250GB 7200rpm SATA drive I have laying around...I don't really need a ton of space on this rig since I keep all my media on my Mac and the price is right at $0

DVD/CD = 16x dual layer DVD burner I also have laying around from a past system... once again price is right at $0

Sound isn't a huge deal to me so the on-board will suffice. $0

Network...onboard LAN is ok but I also have a PCI WiFi card laying around to pop in and avoid cabling. $0

Power Supply = Tuniq Potency PSU-POT650-BK 650W ATX12V $49.99 (with rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817611007

Case = looking on craigslist locally to find an old no frills but suitable full size or even server case since space and looks both are not huge factors....otherwise if that fails I found this also from Micro Center so I could pick it up when I grab the CPU and save on shipping.
http://microcenter.com/single_prod [...] id=0305922

I have suitable keyboard/mouse already.

Total cost after rebates but before tax/shipping (a couple items even have free shipping) = $532.94

Well under $600 and seems like a pretty nice rig for a pretty nice price.

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I would like to build as soon as possible but don't want to jump in without outside advice!


Message edited by p4madeus on 08-12-2009 at 04:14:51 PM
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Not a whole lot of room for improvement, for that amount of money, it would be hard to do much better. I'd consider spending a little to get a better performing hard drive, but this will not have a huge impact. As for networking, I'd stick with onboard gigabit LAN over anything wifi. For online gaming, you don't want another possible source of lag deaths due to intermittent sources of RF interference, or other causes of dropped packets from a local wifi network.

Reply to wathman

Here's what I would do. Go with AMD for best bang for buck. Nothing wrong with the Intel C2Q, but the LGA775 socket is a dead end. No room for future upgrades.

Combo:
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P10664GK - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.234483

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103674

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341017

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102825

Rosewill R220-P-BK Black 0.5mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811147074

Everything shipped for $628.58 and no taxes unless your in CA or TN. Minus a $25 rebate. A bit over your price, but a bit more future proof. This mobo will also allow you to SLI in the future if you decide to. Still trying to tweak, so if I come across something that will save some money, I'll post it.

Reply to AMDThunder

intel are currently selling off the last of there socket 775's ans amdthunder said .

The phenom build might have other advantages too . Phenoms clock down using cool'n'quiet to 800 mhz when they are not under load making them quieter and less power hungry than the intel at idle
Propably not worth the extra for a 955 though when a 945 will easily do the same job

The 9550 quad is a very decent price thanks to the microcenter discount and it certainly isnt a bad system , just a dated one

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The original build is not bad at all. In my experience, every cheap (<$50) CoolerMaster case I bought had minor quality issues. All could be used, but I've stopped buying them. I switched to Rosewill cheap cases, and have never had any problems.
On an Intel system, with only a modest OC planned, you could save a few bucks by getting DDR2-800 RAM. I like mushkin; runs on the JEDEC standard 1.8V and can be overclocked easily. If you go to AMD, keep the DDR2-1066, or get an AM3 board and use DDR3-1333 with CAS latency of 7.
I think AMDThunder meant you could Crossfire in the future on the AMD setup. SLI is for nVidia cards, Crossfire for ATI.
Either system would be nice. The Intel system offers better performance today, but the AMD offers almost as much performance now, and a better upgrade path (including to Crossfire, if your gaming takes off) in the future.

Reply to jtt283

jtt283 wrote :


I think AMDThunder meant you could Crossfire in the future on the AMD setup. SLI is for nVidia cards, Crossfire for ATI.



Oops, hate it when I do that. Yes, Crossfire. Also might be worth mentioning you can't SLI with that mobo, only Crossfire. That's why I went with the ATI card instead of Nvidia.

Reply to AMDThunder

Thanks for all the input. I see the dead end path of the 775, and in order to get an upgradable system I'm gonna have to spend more. I'd prefer to stick with Intel/Nvidia so perhaps I'll jump on the $199 i7 from Microcenter and see what I can do...it will cost more than the AMD build recommended above, but will probably have a longer upgrade path since the i7 is still relatively new. Any suggestions on a cheapo game worthy i7 build? I'm gonna see what I can come up with.

Reply to p4madeus

If you're only gonna be gaming and streaming music video, personally I think the i7 is wasting money. You certainly won't notice a difference bewteen the i7 and 955 when it comes to gaming. If you're going to be doing video editing/encoding and\or heavy multi-tasking, or if you just have the money, and just want the best money can buy, then get the i7.

What would be your max budget?

Reply to AMDThunder

So, couldn't I effectively replace my MOBO selection above with this:

GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128375

Doesn't support SLI out of the box but it's only a manufacturer supported BIOS flash away should I decide to SLI in the future...

and the CPU with the $199 i7 920 from Microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0302727

and the RAM...any recommendations here?

The cost difference in MOBO and CPU is only $135 more....putting me at about where the AMD build was....RAM may push it a little over but I think I will end up with a much more capable system.

Thoughts?

Reply to p4madeus

AMDThunder wrote :

If you're only gonna be gaming and streaming music video, personally I think the i7 is wasting money. You certainly won't notice a difference bewteen the i7 and 955 when it comes to gaming. If you're going to be doing video editing/encoding and\or heavy multi-tasking, or if you just have the money, and just want the best money can buy, then get the i7.

What would be your max budget?



Originally $600 but I'm willing to go to $700 if it means a system with a much longer/wider upgrade path ahead of it. Sure the i7 may be overkill now but in 1 year from now that probably won't be true. I'd rather spend a little extra now if it means prolonging the usefulness of my build.

Reply to p4madeus
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If you anticipate keeping this system and upgrading as needs dictate (and budget allows), you could even start with a 720BE on an AM3 mobo, with a single HD4870. Get a PSU like the Antec TruePower New 750W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 817371025. It's $100, but will handle two high-end GPUs so it will let your system grow nicely. If you don't think you'll ever run two GPUs, then a TruePower 550 is only $80; they also have free shipping. These PSUs are 80+ Bronze, and have received only favorable competent technical reviews (i.e. the ones with progressive load testing, waveform analysis, and sometimes disection). A 790GX board will have two PCIE x16 slots for Crossfire; a 785G board will have just one.
If your budget is higher, you could start out with a 945 X4 or 955 X4. Don't bother with the new 965 X4; from the review right here on Tom's it looks like nothing more than a pre-overclocked 945. With a TDP of 140W, it sucks more juice (and creates more heat) than it's worth.
With new video cards just around the corner, start even lower than the 4870 if you need to save money now but think you'll want to upgrade soon. Your monitor resolution is pretty high though, so you may not want to go too low. Choose a card with 1GB of RAM on it.

Reply to jtt283

Here's what I went with...went a little higher than originally planned but I think it will be worthwhile in the long run in terms of upgrade options.

CPU: Core i7 920 - $199.99
http://microcenter.com/single_prod [...] id=0299412

MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 - $189.99 - $15 rebate = $174.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128375

GPU: EVGA 896-P3-1170-AR GeForce GTX 275 896MB - $229.99 - $20 rebate = $209.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130475

RAM: OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) - $60
I'm getting this for $60 via a local craigslist purchase, not ordering from newegg. See second link.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227365
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/sys/1316843457.html

PSU: Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W - $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817371025

CASE: Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-US-BA-WOPSU - $74.99 - $25 rebate = $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811166004

HD: the 250GB 7200RPM drive I have laying around - $0

OPTICAL: DVD drive I have laying around - $0

Thanks to the promo code given with the case, I got free shipping on the entire lot!

Total cost = $794.95

Bit over my original goal, but I think it'll be well worth it in terms of longevity and upgradability. It's not that I couldn't really afford more, I really just didn't want to spend a ridiculous amount on a gaming system. I think I did well for what I'm getting and am leaving myself set up for good upgradability with a new processor slot, option to add a second card and SLI, and newer DDR3 RAM. I took everyone's advice on getting a trusted brand power supply because I figure a bad power supply could easily ruin the entire system and would not be worth the minuscule savings were it to kill my system or have it fry itself and have to replace it in the short term.

Thanks to everyone for your input!


Message edited by p4madeus on 08-14-2009 at 09:20:14 AM
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Your text describes a 2x2GB RAM kit, but the Newegg link is for the 3x2GB kit. From the Craigslist posting, it appears you are getting an unmatched pair of 2GB sticks (one from each of two different 3x2GB kits). I7 has a triple-channel memory controller, so you wanted a 3x2GB kit. What you ordered should work, and each stick IS the same stuff, but you really need to find a third stick for best performance. Hopefully you'll be able to get the exact same one to avoid compatibility issues.

Reply to jtt283

I ti s a matched pair if it's two sticks of the exact same kind of memory. There's no special matching process beyond them being the same brand/model...

Reply to p4madeus

What he's saying is, that mother board runs triple channel memory. The 2 sticks will work, but for best performance, you need to add a 3rd. Dual channel memory, you wants sets of 2. (2X2GB, 4X2GB) For triple channel, you want 3 sticks. (3X1GB, 3X2GB)

Reply to AMDThunder

Yeah I know what he means in that respect. The difference in performance is negligible. Kinda weird a triple channel mobo has 4 memory slots.

Reply to p4madeus

Just looked at that board. Is a bit odd, but you'll notice 3 of the slots are white for the triple channel ram. No clue the difference one would see using it in dual channel, but you're probably right. May not be noticable at all in anything other than benchies. Guess the 4th slot is there for options.

Reply to AMDThunder

I'll probably just end up getting another pair of the same memory to fill the other two slots once the price on it drops a little more...4gb should be decent in the meantime. I wonder if I fill all 4 do the three act in triple channel and the 4th alone or does it all act the same...perhaps documentation that comes with the board will explain more.

Reply to p4madeus

AMDThunder wrote :

Just looked at that board. Is a bit odd, but you'll notice 3 of the slots are white for the triple channel ram. No clue the difference one would see using it in dual channel, but you're probably right. May not be noticable at all in anything other than benchies. Guess the 4th slot is there for options.



I read the manual for the mobo and it actually does dual channel when you install a pair or triple channel when you install a set of three (plus you can add 1 more).

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