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ATI Radeon 5850, 5870, 5870X2 pricing revealed?

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September 2, 2009 11:26:37 AM

wow, steep price and big chips. I hope they do more than 60% faster than 4870.
4870 is $150 ATM. $399 is about 2.7x the price for 1.6x perf wont be very practical buy considering Perf/dolar. Yet it shouldn't be as its a new generation top dog card.

We will see, I hope we see some leaked benchies by the end of the week
September 2, 2009 11:31:20 AM

rawsteel said:
wow, steep price and big chips. I hope they do more than 60% faster than 4870.
4870 is $150 ATM. $399 is about 2.7x the price for 1.6x perf wont be very practical buy considering Perf/dolar. Yet it shouldn't be as its a new generation top dog card.

We will see, I hope we see some leaked benchies by the end of the week


Exactly ,only 1.6 performance improvement from previous 4870 is fishy for $399 .Waiting for benchmarks.
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a b U Graphics card
September 2, 2009 11:31:38 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you that those prices are not accurate, trust me.

That article is pretty much full of sh!t. Expect the prices to be much more reasonable.
a b U Graphics card
September 2, 2009 11:34:39 AM

Ouch!
I sure hope the launch prices are more reasonable.
Either that or these cards need to perform a lot better than they are letting on.
September 2, 2009 11:52:52 AM

I stopped reading as soon as I saw it from Theo Valich. Honestly the mods really ought to close threads based on links from that guy.
September 2, 2009 11:57:17 AM

You're forgetting these will be the ONLY dx11 parts available at the time of launch.. R&D has been ploughed into implimenting it, they want their return...
The GTX 285 is going for ~$350 and the GTX 295 is going for ~$500
I have a feelig the 5870's performance will be comparable to that of GTX 295.
These are high performance parts guys, premium parts. You pay for what you get
September 2, 2009 12:48:34 PM

^^did you say the same thing when nvidia launched the FX5800, i cant see this being true, it just doesn't ring true
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 2, 2009 12:57:36 PM

It will be kind of funny if it is though, all those people wanting 250 dollar DX11 cards might not think so, but still..
September 2, 2009 2:41:01 PM

250 Dollar DX11 Cards? i wish
LOL prices for the nvidia ones are going to be atleast 600 dollars.
September 2, 2009 2:43:32 PM

shaundwm said:
You're forgetting these will be the ONLY dx11 parts available at the time of launch.. R&D has been ploughed into implimenting it, they want their return...
The GTX 285 is going for ~$350 and the GTX 295 is going for ~$500
I have a feelig the 5870's performance will be comparable to that of GTX 295.
These are high performance parts guys, premium parts. You pay for what you get





the 5870 will smack the gtx 295.
then nvidia will release its new series.
:D 
September 2, 2009 2:49:09 PM

quicksilver_ said:
the 5870 will smack the gtx 295.
then nvidia will release its new series.
:D 


God I would want that.But unlikely to happen ,we still don't know even though a price of $399 should easily surpass gtx295 if performance per dollar comes into consideration.
September 2, 2009 3:07:30 PM

lorik said:
God I would want that.But unlikely to happen ,we still don't know even though a price of $399 should easily surpass gtx295 if performance per dollar comes into consideration.


but we can still hope right?
a b U Graphics card
September 2, 2009 11:58:21 PM

5850/5870/5870x2
249$ 349$ 499$

Thats just what im guessing. I don't believe there cards will quite "beat" nvidia 3xxx series but there going to offer amazing price/performance much like the 4xxx series.
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 12:52:47 AM

God I hope this is wrong. I only wanted to pay ~$300 for my 5870. :( 
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 1:05:18 AM

Worst article I've ever seen tbh.

When the 5870 is released costing half what is being said here, remember that BSN is a total joke and never, ever link it again.
September 3, 2009 1:13:33 AM

I actually hope this is right and AMD gets to make some money for a change. (As long as performance is in line with the price, of course.)
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 1:16:38 AM

I would like to see AMD charging top dollar as well for the top part.

I'm sure the X2 will cost a small fortune, but the 5870 will be affordable (ie not $399) and the 5850 will be the new people's champion around $249.
September 3, 2009 1:17:03 AM

^^dumb
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 1:20:00 AM

I can't see the X2 being released next week tbh. More likely is it will be held in reserve as a counter to whatever Nvidia can muster.
September 3, 2009 1:24:35 AM

They could always launch a 5850X2 first, and counter Nvidia's cards with the 5870X2. Or possibly launch with a 5870X2 and keep a 5890/5890X2 in reserve, if they're planning on doing something like RV790 again.
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 1:26:58 AM

For the record, I'm sticking with $249 5850, $299 5870 and $499 5870x2. I think they will all drop ~$50 after 2 weeks.
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 1:29:20 AM

illyan said:
They could always launch a 5850X2 first, and counter Nvidia's cards with the 5870X2. Or possibly launch with a 5870X2 and keep a 5890/5890X2 in reserve, if they're planning on doing something like RV790 again.



Nah the 5850x2 will be left to Sapphire again, if they want to do it.

The top 3 ATI's about to be released should beat what Nvidia has at a cheaper price. Nvidia will counter with their best effort 55nm gpu's (the good gpu's that they've been saving) at prices they are losing a lot of money on. That is when the 5870X2 should be released and go 50% faster than anything else in existence until g300 finally appears.

It shouldnt really be much different from last year, the main difference is all the ATI's are dx11.
September 3, 2009 2:08:07 AM

You realize he all but admits those prices are pure speculation, not fact in any form.

I speculate that ATI will coat their GPUs in cocaine so that when the fan spins it distributes powder coke in the air making you addicted to turning on a new ATI graphics card for the first time, and because of that the series will all be over $500.

Not that his predictions are all THAT ridiculous, they actually sound reasonable if these cards perform on the high end of speculation, just that speculation is just that, speculation and not fact.
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 11:27:11 PM

The thing to remember is that ATi is a price maker this time, last 3 times they were price-takers, since nV set the bar and ATi priced against it.

I would be surprised if ATi launched low, compared to launching high, and then dropping the price every month, and especially keeping reserve pricing to see what nV brings.

The main issue will be the performance versus old cards, and the pricing thereof.
Almost regardless of the set price, there will be other HD4K and GTX# cards that will offer better price/performance initially, just like every other launch in recent history, with some SLi or Xfire solution offering more initially too.

However I would not be surprised if they launch with a very high price for the X2, and then a somewhat high price for the HD5870, and then a more 'ok I could probably afford that' price for the HD5850 and it's bretheren to start with.

Without competition, and with any potential worry on a run on cards initially, there's little pressure to price them at any discount so much as introduce a price, and then after the eager initial adopters with deep pockets buy every new card available, then slowly start dropping the price to meet the demand/supply equilibrium.

It sucks if you were expecting some type of value-sale initially, but it's pretty much what everybody in business does, and I suspect that without any other pressure AMD will do the same to at least get max margin initially.
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2009 11:31:50 PM

rangers said:
^^did you say the same thing when nvidia launched the FX5800, i cant see this being true, it just doesn't ring true


No.... because it launched AFTER a better card (R9700) whose R&D payed off with performance to match; remember he ended his post with "You pay for what you get" and with the FX5800 you got loud & hot crap, so I don't think that drove people to pay a premium. ;) 

If they are top end performance and everything, then people will pay more than if it's just a minor boost and the perceived value is less.
September 3, 2009 11:47:36 PM

Guys just remember one thing nvidia is gonna have a press conference on 10th of september with that being said ,nor Ati nor nvidia has the lead on future dx11 cards ,you will never know if nvidia could release the cards before october or before december. So hold on to your breaths .Nvidia could pretty easily knock out ati ,you never ever know
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 4, 2009 12:44:46 AM

lorik said:
Guys just remember one thing nvidia is gonna have a press conference on 10th of september with that being said ,nor Ati nor nvidia has the lead on future dx11 cards ,you will never know if nvidia could release the cards before october or before december. So hold on to your breaths .Nvidia could pretty easily knock out ati ,you never ever know

Be at least December before the bun fight starts according to Digi. http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090901PD204.html
a b U Graphics card
September 4, 2009 5:45:04 AM

lorik said:
...nor Ati nor nvidia has the lead on future dx11 cards ,...


ATi/AMD most definitely had the LEAD already having demoed cards, and having shipped them to devs, but that doesn't matter if they still lose the arms/VPU race in the long run.

Quote:
Nvidia could pretty easily knock out ati ,you never ever know


Yep, anything can happen and being first doesn't ensure success they could lay an egg or launch a product that is bested a few short months later, but take a lot longer to counter.
a b U Graphics card
September 4, 2009 6:02:29 AM

nVidia actually will release G300 first, but nVidia has to rename the callender first
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a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2009 11:51:29 AM

You guys are missing 1 major factor when you’re getting a price idea

We are in a recession, which could easily be a depression of the news companies blabbed again

ATi's product is what is a called a luxury so demand will not be high so they will most likely ship at a low price so that they actually sell there product so expect a lower price

Things like this is the last thing ppl will buy so they will make it cheaper so ppl might think mm maybe I can afford it

ppl are saving there money which is adding to this recession ppl not buying stuff putting the ppl that make that stuff out of there jobs its a bad spiral which might cost the news companies there freedom in the future as they caused this problem

They are like the bad time travellers in your games they see something is going to happen and try and stop it and at the bottom line are what caused it in the first place its a bad butterfly effect
October 23, 2009 11:54:52 AM

dude your probably back from long vacation. 5000 Series are SOLD OUT. There are short in every possible online store you can find. Demand is much higher than supply.

Recession or not , People are buying so it seems the price is right
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