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September 6, 2009 3:20:38 AM

Hey everyone,

I am looking to build a new computer but there are several things I am still unsure about.
In the way of display cards, I was looking at either a 9500GT for $65 or 9600GT for $108.
I am a gamer and this is the first computer I will actually build myself.

Also, I am not very knowledgeable about power requirements.
If I was to run the following:
Asus P5QL-AM Motherboard
Intel E6300 Dual Core Processor
Segate 500GB SATA HD (x2)
1GB 9500GT Nvidea Graphics Card
Liteon 20x DVD-RW

What kind of power-supply would I need?

Thanks people!

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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2009 4:03:37 AM

At those prices, neither of those cards.

How big is your monitor? Depending on the resolution you want to run, this should give you better performance than either of those cards, and allow you to crank settings up. And it's only 95 bucks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This PSU looks decent to me as well. And is only 40 after a rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

However, get some more opinions, because I am not the most knowledgable about PSU's, I know some, and that looks good to me, but some of the other guys may have some good insights.

The other thing to keep in mind, on cards as weak as the 9500gt, 1 gb would be a waste.

One last point, why not consider an AMD build? You are looking at a build around the intel 775 socket I'm guessing, but 775 is a dead platform essentially. Look at an AMD AM3 build with ddr3 for some future upgrade options, but that will still give you good performance and not be too hard on your wallet.
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2009 4:16:39 AM

I agree with all of that. The 4850 will serve all your needs for cheap and the ocz modxstream is a decent psu. It is definitely good enough. And I also agree with the and recommendation
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2009 6:41:14 AM

Prices for the cards are way too high.
But to choose one of them then I would choose the 9600Gt for sure.
It is a gaming card.9500GT with its slow DDR2 memory is very weak to play new games.

Also with those two cards 1GB memory is a waste. Any of those are not so fast to utilise all 1GB memory.
If you buy anyone of those then make sure you get a 512 MB version.
September 6, 2009 6:57:13 AM

I am not sure how much you are spending, but to be honest I would dump the 50 bucks your a spending on 1 500gig hard drive and put it towards a different cpu (preferable an AMD 3) and motherboard. You could definatley buy a phenom II 710 x3 for 100 bucks ~ish and get a descent motherboard as well. Also I would not get any of those cards because 1 years time they won't be very good cards. I would rather get a 9800gtx or 4850 for a very cheap price (alrdy shown).

500w modxstream psu would sufficient to your setup though I wouldnt expect OC and not very much room for upgrade, it would definatley be beneficial to get a 550w - 600w psu so you can get some space for upgrading and not have to worry about your power not being enough.
September 6, 2009 7:39:13 AM

go to the newbuilt systems section to ask for a new build.

that build is rubbish the e6300 is pointless.

whats ur budget, post a thread at the newbuilt systems instead.

get the 4850 instead too.

the things you selected for ur "new computer" needs to be reconsidered go for amd build if ur budget is small again go to newbuilt systems section
September 7, 2009 10:12:32 AM

Um, yeah...

Thanks for all of your suggestions, but I want this to be as cheap as possible. Currently, my total cost is $789 and that is still stretching it.

I do not want the world's greatest computer, even just what I put down at the start is way better than my current one.

My current computer is running this:
AMD 3000+
Gigabyte K8-NF9 Triton
2GB DDR 400 RAM
Nvidea GeForce 6800GS
250GB HD (which is full up)

Anything is better than this. Please, I only wanted information about which graphics card is better, and how to manage my power budget.

Thanks for your suggestions though... If you know of any motherboard (better than the one in my first post) for less than $150, or a better graphics card or CPU for $100 or less.

Thanks people!
September 7, 2009 10:20:26 AM

Also, I am working in AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS

Thanks >.> (So under $800 is pretty cheap)
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 11:02:25 AM

Of the two cards you list, the 9600GT is much better (around twice as fast).
The 9500GT is basically a die shrunk and re-bagged 8600GT and fails at gaming.

With out knowing what prices are like in AUS (I am guessing shitty), keep an eye out for a 4670 or 9600GSO (with 96Sp).
Both are just a hair slower than a 9600GT but, depending on the prices, may make financial sense.
September 7, 2009 11:27:08 AM

I have looked up in the internet. i dont know if its the best price or lower price site but anyways u will have an idea: (all the value in australian dollar)

Processor: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/103011/CPU_AMD_SOCKET_AM3/A... $205

Motherboard: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/118452/MOTHERBOARD_AMD_SOCK... $132

Ram: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/122963/MEMORY_MEMORY_DDR-3_... $136

GFX: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/91194/VIDEOCARDS_RADEON_PCI... $167

PSU: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/88686/POWERSUPPLIES_500W_-_... $75

HDD: http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/71793/HDD_INTERNAL_SATA-II_... $113

Total $828. U may find some bargain to get to $800. If u really have problem managing the money then i suggest u go for a little bit cheaper motherboard like this one-> http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/103628/MOTHERBOARD_AMD_SOCK... that will cost u $103 and cheaper ddr2 ram like this > http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/84474/MEMORY_DDR-2_RAM/G.Sk... that will cost u $108 so ur total cost would be $771 within the budget.

So thats inside ur budget and i think that will pretty much satisfy u. All the games(except crysis) will run just good in 1600resolution (22inch monitor native resolution)
September 7, 2009 12:02:09 PM

Well, this is what I have now (All prices in AUD):

GeForce 9600GT 1GB - $108
Intel E6300 Core 2 Duo - $99
ASUS P5QL-EPU - $129
2GB Kingston DDR2-800 RAM - $36
Aopen 24x SATA DVD-RW - $59
A-Power 650W PSU - $29
Antec 200 Gaming Case - $74
22" BenQ G2220HDA - $183

Total = $781

And I will be running Windows 7 RC which should run most games designed for Vista.

Still, thanks for your help.

This will be the first computer I will build completely on my own, from scratch. I really want to keep this as cheap as possible, with original price at only $500 with a GeForce 9400GT.

Thanks People
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 12:16:53 PM

Well I said b4 that 1GB memory with that card is a waste.It is too slow to utilise it.
You can save $$ by getting the 512MB.

And with the money you can change the processor to Phenom II 550 aka Callisto.
And also a suitable mobo of course.

PSU can be swapped for a Corsair CX400 too.
September 7, 2009 12:55:22 PM

But I am talking about the Nvidea 9600GT... I'm happy with the generic power supply, but can I have a link for the CPU
September 7, 2009 1:22:48 PM

if u take dont atleast take e6300 it is a pentium dual core processor not core2duo. Atleast go for e7400 and overclock it u will have the performance like e8500 which is the 2nd highest core2duo processor in the market. here is a link for e7400 u should get it within 140 AUD there. And the rest of the machine is pretty fine. happy gaming :) 
September 7, 2009 1:24:09 PM

Oh and u can wait for a month and intel coming up with new processor there tend to be a price decrease for hi-mid end processors. and also gfx card price will go down in a month or two. So if u can wait a month u can probably get better machine than now. But anyways it wont be that much a difference though so if u want to go now u can go
September 7, 2009 1:43:29 PM

There are three things with that.
1. I only have access to the E7500 which is $155 AUD and that breaks my budget
2. My current processor is an AMD Athlon 3000+ (3.0GHz) so just 6.3GHz is heaps.

3. Where's the link?
September 7, 2009 1:47:50 PM

Lol, sorry mate I forgot about your other post.

Look, its all great stuff, but I really don't have the money. My current cost is $824 AUD and the processor + graphics card you suggested boost it to over $1000.

If I can get an E74/500 for less than $120 I will be happy.

BTW, the two sites I am using are
1. http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
2. http://www.netplus.com.au/
September 7, 2009 1:52:03 PM

its not just that u multiply the core speed for dual core. A dual core essentially means 2x the core speed but theres more than that. A core2duo has a new architechture that can efficiently process data cycle. A core2duo has higher front bus speed (FSB) and generally higher Cache memory.Moreover it takes less power and generate less heat for more overclocking head. Over and all core2duo is much better than that u think it is just by multiplying the core speeds. Here is the e7500 in newegg> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If u cant really strech the budget a little more for e7500 then its ok with e6300.
September 7, 2009 1:56:42 PM

Ok, an extra $20 I can do. BUT

I have no idea about over-clocking and I am totally confused about this dual-core stuff.

I always thought that whatever the number is, that's the speed in MHz
September 7, 2009 2:03:34 PM

Well, I've had a long and tiring day, and it is 10pm over here.
Thanks for your help. If you wish to contact me again, you can email me at:
rmad@iinet.net.au

Thanks redwine01
September 7, 2009 2:09:02 PM

:)  tc. dont worry the pentium dual core will run just fine and people here can help u with overclocking
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 4:59:09 PM

redwine01, I believe are quite mistaken.

The e6300 IS a 45nm Wolfdale based Core 2 CPU, same as the e7500, and a hell of a deal.
The only differences between the two CPU's is 133Mhz and 1Mb of L2 Cache.
Considering the e6300 is also a stellar overclocker and has a much lower price, it is an extremely attractive budget CPU.

Also, doubling the CPU cores =! doubling the core speed!
Doubling the CPU cores = twice the CPU cores.
Big difference.


@ The OP, do not worry about redwine01's rants and get the e6300.
It is a great CPU and a great deal for the price.
It will perform pretty damn close to an e7500 at stock and can be highly overclocked if needed.

The rest of your build looks decent, considering what you have available to you.
I would, however, consider changing a few things.

First off, defiantly find a way to get 4Gb of RAM.
It is not to much more but can be quite useful.

I defiantly do not like that POS power supply.
Usually I would make a point to try and have you get a Corsair, Seasonic, Enermax, PCP&C or Antec Earthwatts PSU.
Unfortunately, your choices suck and the prices are even worse.

The best I could recommend is switching the Apower 650w junker for an Antec Basiq 350w for $59.
This may seem like a downgrade until you consider that the Antec PSU will be able to output what it is labeled to (or more) where the other one will likely fail before hitting half of its labled power.
Also consider that the Antec will gracefully shut down when over loaded where the cheap PSU will probably explosively fail...

As for the GPU, either get the similarly performing Gigabyte 4670 512Mb for $88, a better performing Gainward 9800GT 512Mb for $123 or a much better performing HIS 4850 512Mb for $134.
At your 1920x1080 native resolution, I would defiantly try and fit the 4850 into the budget.
It will perform about the same as two of the 9600GT's in SLI.
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 5:15:54 PM

No, actually the E6300 is 65nm, it's also getting more expensive every day because it's no longer being produced, something from the E5xxx series would be cheaper and you probably won't notice the difference with an 9600GT (which is indeed far better than the 9500GT.)
Drop 1 of the 500gb hard drives, or buy 1 1000gb drive, to save money (it won't affect performance at all.)
Get the OCZ stealthstream 400W PSU, it's cheap and more than enough for this system, even with overclocking.
If you've gone over your budget by now, get a cheaper motherboard and try to get as best a deal as possible.

Tips: buy as much as possible on the internet (much cheaper than stores) and try to order multiple parts at the same vendor, so that you only have to pay shipping costs once.
September 7, 2009 5:19:03 PM

i got confused between the 2 e6300's.. thought that was the older version one darn sorry. some name confuse me
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 5:35:00 PM

Gulli said:
No, actually the E6300 is 65nm, it's also getting more expensive every day because it's no longer being produced...

You are only partially correct.
There was an old 65nm Conroe based E6300 (1.86Ghz, 2Mb L2, 7x multiplier) but it has been out of circulation for more than a year.
There is also a new 45nm Wolfdale based E6300 (2.8Ghz, 2Mb L2, 10.5x multiplier) which is quite a nice budget CPU.
OP, just to be sure, check with the supplier that it is the Wolfdale based CPU else get it from the Other Site for $4 more.
redwine01 said:
i got confused between the 2 e6300's.. thought that was the older version one darn sorry. some name confuse me

Np, happens to the best of us.
Still, keep in mind that all the Pentium Dual Core CPU's (as apposed to anything labeled Pentium 2, III, 4, D, etc.) is based on either the 65nm or 45nm Core 2 Duo CPU's (with some of the cache disabled).
As such, they inherit all the strengths of the Core 2 generation at a great price and are generally budget overclocking kings.
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 5:51:38 PM

"You are only partially correct.
There was an old 65nm Conroe based E6300 (1.86Ghz, 2Mb L2, 7x multiplier) but it has been out of circulation for more than a year.
There is also a new 45nm Wolfdale based E6300 (2.8Ghz, 2Mb L2, 10.5x multiplier) which is quite a nice budget CPU.
OP, just to be sure, check with the supplier that it is the Wolfdale based CPU else get it from the Other Site for $4 more."

I wasn't aware of that, my bad, and yeah, 2.8ghz + 2mb cache is ok for the system the OP is building, if it's cheaper, or 5-10 bucks more expensive than the E5300 than he should get the E6300.
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 6:03:42 PM

outlw6669 said:
You are only partially correct.

There is also a new 45nm Wolfdale based E6300 (2.8Ghz, 2Mb L2, 10.5x multiplier) which is quite a nice budget CPU.


What are your thoughts about Phenom II 550?
September 7, 2009 11:38:19 PM

Please people, keep in mind that I want a budget PC that will perform well.

My current PC is this
AMD Athlon 3000+
Gigabyte K8-NF9 Triton
250GB IDE
2GB DDR 400 RAM
Nvidea 6800GS

So really, anything is better but my "Total cost" keeps going up, and now I will be paying $850. I cannot stretch any further. I am at my limit.
a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2009 11:43:02 PM

How the hell did you get to 850 already?
September 7, 2009 11:51:26 PM

$183 Monitor
$130 Motherboard
$100 CPU
$80 Box
$75 RAM
$65 HDD
$60 DVD-RW
$30 PSU
$10 KB+MS
_____________
$850 PC
September 7, 2009 11:52:08 PM

And $110 for the Nvidea 9600GT
September 8, 2009 12:45:43 AM

what monitor u r getting for $183? dont go for really big display or resolution like 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 resolutions becoz at that resolution u cant play games with 9600gt. U r better of with 1600 resolutions or 1440 resolutions. those resolutions are good for gaming u will be satisfied interms of graphics quality and performance- just a balance between both
September 8, 2009 2:12:45 AM

Regarding monitors,
Response Time is important as well. something like 5ms is average but 2ms is excellent.
Gday to the fellow Aussies (pronounced Ozzies)
September 8, 2009 7:20:54 AM

Lol, I'm surprised you bothered with the pronunciation.

I will be running either a 21.5" BenQ G222HDA or 22" BenQ G2020HD
Both have response time of 5ms.
G222HDA runs 1920x1080 G2020HD runs 1600x900

I am currently running a G2220HD, but to get another is too expensive
September 8, 2009 7:26:07 AM

*G222HDA is supposed to be G2220HDA
*The G2220HD and G2220HDA are basically the same. Both run in either 1920x1080 OR 1600X900 (I'm currently running 1600x900)
a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2009 1:05:48 PM

Oh, wait a sec, you're an Ozzie, so those are Australian dollars then? Still, you can easily get a cheaper DVD-RW (or better yet, just keep the one from your old rig), and get a cheap(er) 1440x900 monitor instead, and try to save on shipping costs by ordering multiple parts from the same vendor. And try to look for the cheapest vendor you can find, here in Europe a 9600GT costs 70 euro's, Intel E5300 CPU's can be had for 60 euro's and 4GB DDR2 memory for 50 euro's. Maybe things are more expensive in Australia, but all I'm saying is don't shy from spending a lazy Sunday on the web looking for the cheapest parts.

Oh, and unless you're an eagle you won't be able to see the difference between a monitor with 5ms response time and one with 2ms.

September 8, 2009 3:33:37 PM

Gulli said:
Oh, and unless you're an eagle you won't be able to see the difference between a monitor with 5ms response time and one with 2ms.


LoooooL..........that was funny....

Yes get a monitor with 1440 resolution (generally 19inch). its the best optimized for the card (9600gt) u r having. 9600gt can play in 1600 resolution but in some games u may have to lower the settings. if u dont mind playing in lower graphic settings (which i do mind) then u can go for big monitors. Atleast movies can be watched nicely :) 
September 9, 2009 7:19:00 AM

I am not actually ordering my parts online or anything. I am getting them from shops within 30mins away from where I live (there are about 10-12 shops). I like using MSY and Netplus as well as Austin Computers:
http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
http://www.netplus.com.au/
http://www.austin.net.au/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

I with my current rig, I went up from a 19" to a 22" and I am never going back.
Also, I cannot take apart my existing rig because I need two computers.
What I am building will be mine, the other belongs to the rest of my family.

I cannot find any SATA DVD-RW drives here for less than $60 AUD
September 9, 2009 7:22:47 AM

1984940,38,308097 said:
9600gt can play in 1600 resolution but in some games u may have to lower the settings.

My mate has a 9600GT and a screen with a native resolution of 1600x900. He can run every single one pf his games at their best graphics without a hitch.
September 9, 2009 7:25:20 AM

Um, slightly off topic but IT WONT LET ME EDIT =(
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2009 7:50:34 AM

Klosteral said:
1984940,38,308097 said:
9600gt can play in 1600 resolution but in some games u may have to lower the settings.

My mate has a 9600GT and a screen with a native resolution of 1600x900. He can run every single one pf his games at their best graphics without a hitch.
said:


1600x900 isn't too far up from 1440x900 and would indeed be fine with a 9600GT, but it's a weird resolution, I'm not sure many games even support that resolution, so you may have to play with black bars at the sides, on the plus side, you won't have black bars when watching movies.
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2009 7:51:20 AM

Klosteral said:
Um, slightly off topic but IT WONT LET ME EDIT =(


Me neither but the "quick edit" button works fine.
September 9, 2009 9:48:38 AM

I can play Call of Duty 4, Frontlines, Battlefield 2142, NFS Carbon and many more games in 1600x900. In fact, I don't think there is a single game in my house that doesn't work in 1600 x 900 res

If you want to see what I have been looking at, try to match my items to the stuff you find on the Netplus and MSY websites.
September 9, 2009 12:09:09 PM

I didnt said 9600gt will not run in 1600 res. it will run fine. But some games like crysis or world in conflict or Stalker clearsky u may not run it with max out graphics with AA. And moreover u r buying this rig now and i guess u will atleast keep this rig for 1year i mean u will not upgrade within 1year. Think about future. There are some good games coming out. Mayb those games will be much more demanding who knows.I was more worried about 1920 resolution in that resolution 9600gt isnt really enough. anyways yes 9600gt can run most of the games nicely.
a c 376 U Graphics card
September 9, 2009 1:37:31 PM

Alright, I looked at the sites you are using. First off get the e5300 instead of the e6300. They have the exact same core and amount of cache. The only difference is the .2 ghz and that's entirely pointless considering they will overclock to the same level. OCing isn't hard and you should be able to get the speed up to 3.5 ghz or so just on stock cooling. That will save you $13.
Next get the P5QL-SE instead of the EPU. They are the same chipset and manufacturer and the $22 price difference is important with your budget.
There's also a DVD burner for $22 less than the one you picked out and the difference between them should be negligible.
That's $57 and the price difference between the 9600gt and the HD4850 is only $27. I only looked at those 3 parts but you can probably save money elsewhere too. You REALLY should be looking at a better PSU. That's the worst place to go cheap and the one you picked out is most likely terrible.
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2009 3:45:13 PM

redwine01 said:
I didnt said 9600gt will not run in 1600 res. it will run fine. But some games like crysis or world in conflict or Stalker clearsky u may not run it with max out graphics with AA. And moreover u r buying this rig now and i guess u will atleast keep this rig for 1year i mean u will not upgrade within 1year. Think about future. There are some good games coming out. Mayb those games will be much more demanding who knows.I was more worried about 1920 resolution in that resolution 9600gt isnt really enough. anyways yes 9600gt can run most of the games nicely.


1600x900 has only 11% more pixels than 1440x900, so it's a small difference. As long as he doesn't get 1680x1050, or higher, he should be fine.
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2009 4:01:29 PM

jyjjy said:
Alright, I looked at the sites you are using. First off get the e5300 instead of the e6300. They have the exact same core and amount of cache. The only difference is the .2 ghz and that's entirely pointless considering they will overclock to the same level. OCing isn't hard and you should be able to get the speed up to 3.5 ghz or so just on stock cooling. That will save you $13.
Next get the P5QL-SE instead of the EPU. They are the same chipset and manufacturer and the $22 price difference is important with your budget.
There's also a DVD burner for $22 less than the one you picked out and the difference between them should be negligible.
That's $57 and the price difference between the 9600gt and the HD4850 is only $27. I only looked at those 3 parts but you can probably save money elsewhere too. You REALLY should be looking at a better PSU. That's the worst place to go cheap and the one you picked out is most likely terrible.


Yes, go for this setup and get the Coolermaster extreme power+ 460W PSU for 60 dollars from here http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
September 16, 2009 9:43:24 AM

Ok, thanks people. I will definetly go for the better PSU.

Sorry for the late reply, I just moved house so the communications have been all messed up.
September 16, 2009 9:44:37 AM

Will the 460W PSU do it though? I need at least 600W from it.
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2009 3:35:14 PM

Klosteral said:
Will the 460W PSU do it though? I need at least 600W from it.


Where did you read that?

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