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[Solved] Why is the AMD Phenom II X4 810 a Deativated Item?

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OvrClkr   11-10-2009 at 11:21:16 PM

The CPU came out not to long ago and it has already been deativated on several websites including the Egg. Is there a reason for this? The CPU was selling like hotcakes so I don't understand why it would appear to be at it's EOL. The only thing that comes to my mind is the fact that the x4 620 is the same exact CPU w/o the L3 at 99.99$. So I guess they saw that the 810 was not a good choice for their lineup due to it's price tag. And I guess the x3 720 at 119.99$ was also a threat to the 810... Looks like AMD is pushing to many CPU's in the same price-range.

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The Athlon II's have less than half the transistors and are just about as good. In terms of margins and being able to throw these out at ridiculously cheap prices, I don't see how the X3's or the lower end X4's can compete.

 

On top of that, yields on the Phenom II X4's must be really good by now so there are less parts to be cannibalised anyway.

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jaydeejohn   11-10-2009 at 11:26:58 PM

Possibly the C3 stepping?

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jj463rd   11-10-2009 at 11:30:49 PM

Lot's of them are being phased out (EOL) including the 720BE and the 550BE
See here (even the older processor pricing in Sept showed the discontinuation of many CPU's as well)
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processor [...] R01#phenom

If you want a 720 BE or 550 BE CPU better hurry because it will be a deactivated item at newegg when they run out of stock.

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jaydeejohn   11-10-2009 at 11:34:53 PM

Or, wait for C3, get better temps, lower power draw etc

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jennyh   11-10-2009 at 11:37:37 PM
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The Athlon II's have less than half the transistors and are just about as good. In terms of margins and being able to throw these out at ridiculously cheap prices, I don't see how the X3's or the lower end X4's can compete.

 

On top of that, yields on the Phenom II X4's must be really good by now so there are less parts to be cannibalised anyway.


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xaira   11-10-2009 at 11:48:38 PM

you dont have to rush for eol items, the x3 740 and the x2 555be is coming at the same price, maybe c3 will see some athlon x2 620 65w i wish i wish

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OvrClkr   11-10-2009 at 11:50:21 PM

Yea I figured the C3 might have something to do with it and just like jenny said, it looks like the future of the budget CPU lies in the Athlon II's.

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jaydeejohn   11-11-2009 at 12:38:26 AM

Well, it takes time for the lessor ones to add up, even more if yields are good

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ric-hall   11-11-2009 at 01:00:20 AM

I note that you list your prices in dollars, so not sure where you are located, but there are some nice deals on the older phenom II models just now at ebuyer(probably others as well ;). That said these processors will get new steppings/models that might be fun to overclock.

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mindless728   11-11-2009 at 02:10:59 AM

actually i have the 810 and think it works just fine, OC's to 3.5GHz on a 125w AMD cooler (the one that has copper, not the cooler that came with it) and stays under 55c at full load

i keep it at stock speeds but under volted to 1.1875v to reduce power and heat

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OvrClkr   11-11-2009 at 02:45:26 AM

I was under the impression that the 810 had no place in the lineup, specially with the x3 740 and x2 555 about to drop any time soon. Would be nice to see what they can achieve on AIR.

What happen to the x2 630? EOL too?

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mindless728   11-11-2009 at 02:52:33 AM

i don't think it (810) has a place, much like the 910 never did, though at the time it was a good price for the performance

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OvrClkr   11-11-2009 at 02:59:53 AM

It's amazing how AMD releases a CPU and a month or two later they just pull it and create a better more efficient CPU, hopefully it won't hurt AMD's pocket cause they need all the money/help they can get....

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mindless728   11-11-2009 at 03:30:52 AM

well, i guess this is the wait and see kind of thing

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jaydeejohn   11-11-2009 at 03:35:02 AM

Its called progress, something AMD has always tried to do. If its already rolling, they come thru nicely, its the expensive new appoaches/startups where theyve been short on money, for a few good reasons

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jaydeejohn   11-11-2009 at 04:00:23 AM

Personally, Im of the belief that Phenom was actually made for the 45nm process, and why it did so poorly on 65nm, it certainly would explain alot of the problems.
Sometimes shrinks dont always work as well, and if it were actually for a smaller node, not sure thats possible, but if it were, it could be why those clocks just never came, and all the assurances we got from AMD, tho of course there were many critics, those assurances of the 45nm process came thru


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