[Solved] Is Annand biased?

He pulled it, but he should know better by now.

Also, he is losing his enthusiasm I feel, certainly for anything that isn't intel.

A few comments:
Timing is Suspect by piesquared, 5 hours agolol are you serious? Do you think people are that naive to not see this is clearly a propoganda stunt on behave of intel? It's also pretty obvious why you prefer ATi over NV.

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So predictable by AnandThenMan, 4 hours agoAn article talking about AMD's 2010 - 2011 Roadmap, and what is the first image we see? An Intel slide!

Unbelievable, really.

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RE: So predictable by dia, 4 hours agoIntel are AMD's major competition (apart from AMD themselves). The AMD roadmap once again shows AMD being late in comparison to Intel. This is relevant because it will affect uptake of AMD tech. How does this show bias? It's the freaking truth. If brand loyalty alone were enough to generate sales, AMD would not have been introuble in the first place. The fact is that most consumers will go with what comes first and also look for slight performance advantages, even if the advantage is small.

Your whinging about the mention of upcoming Intel tech in this article shows desperation.


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RE: So predictable by formulav8, 3 hours agoI can think of no logical reason to post a Intel propaganda slide on the first page and at the top of the page before showing any AMD propaganda slides which is what this article is entirely based on.

I don't see bios as the reason, but it was definitely a poor decision in my opinion (And obviously others as well).
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=3673&p=1

Well he sure stepped in it here, and he brought it upon himself, easily avoided, IF his mind was in the right place to begin with

FYI: we tried to share some proprietary patent applications with Anand,
which he agreed to review.

No sooner had our package of papers arrived at his office, when
someone in his organization climbed all over me for allegedly
hosting pornography at our website.

My "punishment" was getting "banned" from Anand's User Forums.

It took me a while to get to the bottom of that accusation,
because I did not have any programming experience with JAVA.

It turned out that our web server had automatically generated
an email message to me with an updated FTP password.
That practice has been discontinued now -- fortunately.

Someone hacked my email account, got that password,
then used FTP to hack our homepage with JAVA Script which
re-directed users to a pornography site in China somewhere.

Once I identified the problem, we removed the offending
JAVA Script immediately.

I never did get any apology(s) from Anand, however,
even after I explained to him what we found.


It's always rather distasteful whenever we are accused
of something we did NOT do -- VERY B-A-D FORM
on the part of Anand's employee(s), imho.

Maybe they all just need to grow up another 10 years
before concluding that they are smarter than everyone
else on planet Earth.


MRFS

Adding someing as an excuse, by giving a worse example?
Nope, he was wrong, this really has nothing to dowith Intel.
They dont belong in this article til MAYBE the end on the conclusion. Just ask other writers.
I think you need to reaccess your neutrality

If you had simply read my thread, you wouldnt have written what you did. Did you read what Ive said?
Have you followed the linkS I put in place?
To assume AMD doesnt have squat before the end of the show is bad business if youre writing a website.
It says right on the official AMD site to the announcements, itd be an 8 hour showing.
Now, explain as to my baiting?

My problem was his preconcieved approach.
I give him credit for righting the ship, but doesnt excuse the altering of his first wrtie up. Or its existence.
Hey, get it right. Anand is one of the best, and in some ways the best, but I see things here and there.
Its a new day now tho, a new game

I hope its done on Intels future releases, 2 to make up for it.
No problemo. Its all good
Nice AMD slide dominating the page, sounds nice
And roguefort cheese smells good too heheh
He jumped the gun, made wrong conclusions, and most likely wont get the "exclusive" pre preview

I have to ask in what context it will be done?

AMD is late right now at everything. So how can one be enthused at what AMD has to offer when what it's competitor is offering is better and arriving sooner? Anand is a hardware enthusiast as I am. Enthusiast in the sense that he will side with whatever performs the best.

To illustrate my point:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2456
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2065
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1943
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2026
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1941

And so on..

What you get are articles, one after the other of nothing but AMD and in the articles about what Intel was offering, AMD is plastered all over the place and the reason? AMD had the performance crown and what Intel was offering was "boring" and "sucked".

Right now, what AMD are offering is boring and what they're promising is nothing we have heard being promised by Intel and being released at an earlier time.

Id point out our x86 cpu post. Currently, they have good enough solutions, but looking 8-9 months from now, it does look promising, and, since this is about roadmaps, and no, I wont waste time finding lengthy discriptions of roadmaps, that infers furure directions/products.
Since some of those products are superior from even Intels roadmap projections, whats your point?

I must agree with everything you have said. AMD used to offer faster/cheaper CPU's then intel ever did. But ever since the i5/i7 release, intel has smashed AMD without a doubt. Which is kinda sad to be honest, where was AMD when all of this was going down? Their current 955 just about comes close to the lower i5.

Edit: Although the links that you pointed out are pretty... old.

You have to understand.
Having a killer IGP solutions should make every enthusiast smile.
It elevates PC gaming, giving devs a much greater foundation to start with, ups the ante, just to get in the game, so to speak heheh.
Now, we want MT, faster apps etc, and gpgpu solutions appears early on to do this, using greater amounts of MT in games moves the usage of MT forwards in huge ways, as its 1 of the largest used pc scenarios for usage available.
Sure, itll help gaming mostly at first, but people will still have to write parallel and MT code, its not like theyre stuck writing games, and that helps gpgpu usage, which helps perf.
If thats the directionwere heading anyways, whats NOT to get excited about?

I would welcome Anand links from C2D onwards about ANY Intel products that have been shown as inferior, with AMD material the main showing on the first page.
Heres a chance for AMD to stretch its legs somewhat, as its been a tough uphill climb, and its future products looks very promising, and will change the dynamic answer "what a IGP" is for.
Or "we dont need gpgpu"
But I guess that needs to be preempted by a large Intel slide.
Oh wait, he did say hes sorry, and those guys, ya know, AMD guys, well they were late again notifying him whats what.
Any way you put it, it was bad.
He knows better now, we hope

That article was written 3 months after his original X25-M G2 article and talks about the 2nd firmware issue from Intel that was bricking drives.
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/

This item from July 30th
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15827

your referenced article from Oct. 26th

No, the problem is, theyve become frontrunner biased, and it shows.
Admittedly we all want the best, but for mwhat?
It seems AMD has a form position where they sell their products at, and no, I dont want this to become a profit this and that response crap up this threa thing here, as we are just now entering into a fair market.
So, going from NOW, telling only the tale from the front runners position does a diservice to the whole community, and to my point.
Its bad journalism, should be better put in context, and NEVER assumed, which WAS done here

See above. Ya know, its time and moneyt theyll say, not crashes fault actually, but further up the latter

It does to my point I made in another thread tho.
They dont bench, run articles, do tests in a 4 to 1 ratio, at all
No one does, and thats a diservice to those 20%

Simple explanation could be, people pre perception of P2
It wouldnt be 25% better than Phenom. It is and more actually
People assumed AMD meant 25% IPC, it wasnt, and I maintained that that wasnt what they were saying, and I was attacked and so was AMD
Looking familiar here> Isnt Anand doing the same things?

Kinda lost here JDJ.

Plus you really need to stop double+ posting.

umm jimmy, that article was written before the P55/i5/i7 were released.

First, love this new trend, second, do I care? I guess you missed that one
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] er-listing
Maybe its a way of being disatisfied?
You can have all my points for all I care, its not what its all about to me

jd is funny, well balanced and nice to the n00bs and regulars as such BadTRip .. yeah and he is a bit pro-AMD ... so what?

You on the other hand are are not.

I have booked you for the B-Ark my friend ...

And my point is, the bias is formed after a few years of only using certain HW for benches, having 1 dominating influence always being exposed etc.
After awhile, it brings a complacency, expectations on BOTH sides, and thus the beginning of the bias.
If Anand hadnt expected what he had, he woukldnt have jumped the gun, only to find out later, that wasnt all there was to it, and thats my point.
Its human nature, and its his business, and its something that shouldnt enter in to his decision making, like jumping the gun.
Ive said all along, I respect him, consider him at or near the top, but we all have our failings, and this was the time to break out of the norm, and he failed.
Doesnt mean I wont read him, or ignore his good stuff, but I will hold it against him, til he, and we, change, and come to accept that things have changed, and changed for the good.
I dont consider him biased, tho his actions were, and thats what Im trying to explain here, and how it can happen, sometimes, even to the best of us

Some of us here at Toms know the writers, or, have read their comments within the forums over the years.
The framework that they have to work in often caused by this limited approach, and it flies against their personal opinions.
Id point out Cleeves i7 vs P2 CF article, whic he wasnt satisfied with. First glance, was bias all the way, but when redone, it showed a cleaer scenario, and thank to Toms, it was able to be done, and things like that clear up any supposed bias.
I hope Anand gets his chance too