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September 8, 2009 9:05:53 PM

Hello everyone...

I'm building a htpc which i'll also use to game in hi-res :) 

now since the graphics card is for a htpc i need it to stream 8 channel lpcm through the hdmi along with the video.. and i believe only ati 48XX series are able to do it.. then again i thought i'll buy a nvidia graphics card and a discreet sound card since i've heard there are problems with ati drivers.. now i'm using a gigabyte motherboard with my amd x3 720 processor which only supports ati cards in cross fire.. this is important to me since i may buy another card in future...

to sum up :
1. i wanna buy an ati because : its supports 8 channel lpcm and i can buy cards later and use in cross fire...

2. i wanna buy nvidia since there are no driver issues and it has all those fancy physx and cuda technologies...

Please help me choose from one the above... i'm really confused and dunno what to do..

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a c 271 U Graphics card
September 8, 2009 9:15:54 PM

Go with Nvidia, then you can have AA in the new Batman game.
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September 8, 2009 9:23:38 PM

i'v been a nvidia fan since early 90's... less bugy issues, does more... etc...
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September 8, 2009 9:34:20 PM

but what about the cross fire and audio part that ati has to offer...

should i give it up for just the driver issues ??

remember my mobo doesn't support sli... it only supports cross fire
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a c 130 U Graphics card
September 8, 2009 9:51:31 PM

If this thread runs for long enough you will probably find it 50/50 between the two.
Personally i have only ever had ATI cards in my systems and have over the years had exactly 2 issues that were driver related.
Its going to be up to you to decide at the end of the day but personally i dont think anything Nvidia have to offer in the lower performance tiers that would be suitable for HTPC use is going to be as good as what ATI/AMD can offer.
Hi res gaming and a HTPC isnt exactly easy as the power you will need to feed the high res gaming will most likely mean you wont have a quiet rig like a HTPC would normally be.
What do you mean by hi res gaming exactly ?
Mactronix
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September 8, 2009 10:04:20 PM

As ur motherboard supports crossfire then definately go with Ati--- if u think that u would need extra performance later in future u can add another Ati.
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September 8, 2009 10:25:37 PM

at mactronix... by hi res gaming i mean to say i want to game upto 1920*1200 resolutions..

i don't mind the power supply or going with extra fans to damp the heat...

and if ati i'm looking for 4770 or 4890... can't choose between them...

see this is more like a gaming rig to be kept in a home theater to watch 1080p movies that i have in my hard disc...

at redwine01... thanks... what u say makes perfect sense...
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September 8, 2009 10:27:06 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Go with Nvidia, then you can have AA in the new Batman game.


i can't choose nvidia over ati jus for one game
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September 8, 2009 11:11:19 PM

Nvidia and ATI both have driver problems. The only place one is *actually* better than the other is Linux, where Nvidia does much better.

Don't choose a brand because you hear/heard one has driver issues, it can be said for both companies, all the time.
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September 8, 2009 11:12:53 PM

I went with ATI (4870) for my HTPC since it was, at the time, the only thing that would do 8 channel LPCM over HDMI. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of ATI, but the card has performed just fine for both movies and games. I have since purchased an Xonar so I can bit-stream (that was of dubious value, but I get the warm fuzzies from having my "master audio" light up on my receiver :)  ).

Fortunately for you, there are now more options available. But, since you've already purchased the mother board that is cross-fire compatible it makes sense to me to go with ATI for future upgradability.
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September 8, 2009 11:17:50 PM

thanks Dekasav and Lamprey...

@ lamprey... so ati cards do 8 channel lpcm ?? gr8.. and is the master hd worth the extra $250 that i'll be spending on auzentech ??

plz do reply... ur reply matters..
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September 8, 2009 11:28:16 PM

if u can just wait a week. ati 5xxx series is due at probable date of september-10. a 5850 should do a lot better in a sense that it is a new architechture, 40nm die so less power, less heat, more overclocking head, dx-11 support and so on....but as it is a new release i guess probably the driver will not be very good at the first time but soon they will upgrade the driver(its just my guess). So its up 2u whether u will wait or grab one from the current shelf. 4870 has an excellent price/performance ratio but 4890 is also in the line. so its ur choice. as ur resolution is 1920 i recommend at least go for 4870 for that resolution.
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September 8, 2009 11:28:23 PM

and i have still not bought the mobo...

i had jus decided on the gigabyte ga-ma790xt-ud4p to go with mt x3 720...
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September 8, 2009 11:33:27 PM

@redwine01

i don't mind waiting to get the 5xxx series... but i hate driver issues that's all.. the ati as i hear is always known for that...

and hey if i buy now which is better
is 4770 sufficient or should i go for 4890 ??

i don't mind spending...but if it isn't worth the price diff for performance i don't wanna buy 4890
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September 8, 2009 11:45:55 PM

no 4770 will lag in some games and u may have to lower the graphics at that resolution. 4870 atleast what u need for good gaming experience. 4890 is bit more powerful than 4870. Here is the benchmark and compare between 4890 and 4870 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4890,2262... the price difference between 4870 and 4890 is about $80 and the performance difference is 10% between these 2 cards. So its up2u to decide if u want to put 80 more for the 10% difference in price.
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September 8, 2009 11:51:18 PM

ok u don't suggest a 4770... fine... chuck that then...

now say i buy the 4870... and later after an year maybe i buy a 5000 series graphics card...

will i be able to run them in cross fire... will there be problems when i use cross fire across different series ??
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September 8, 2009 11:52:31 PM

especially since 4000 series differ from 5000 in a lot of aspects like directx, audio support, etc etc
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September 8, 2009 11:59:31 PM

This is the thing i cannot tell u because Ati hasnt released the 5xxx card and i couldnt find much information about the card so far. From the point of view as 5xxx series differs much than 4x series i will say maybe no. But mayb Ati will come up with good driver which can support 5x+4x crosfire. I guess Ati will come up with those drivers because they dont want their 4x series to burn out so quickly. And those people who has 4870 or 4890 or even 4870x2 may not buy a 5x series if its really a huge leap unless they can crossfire it. So ati maybe coming up with those drivers. But as it has different dx version i dont know if its possible or not.
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September 9, 2009 12:05:21 AM

i guess i'll buy a 4890 since i've got an awesome discount here...

can i oc the card ?? i've got no idea about overclocking graphics card yet... can u give some basic info
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a c 130 U Graphics card
September 9, 2009 10:44:16 PM

Yes i agree that the 4770 will lack power at the highest res and a 4890 is the better option by far, as far as overclocking goes i dont really know not owning one but i would be surprised if it couldnt go a bit higher. Its never a given though even for known good overclockers, some chips will still not take a worthwhile overclock. Its quite rare but some just wont go a lot higher.
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