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New specs for HD 5870 & 5850

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Finger Crossed if it beats GTX 295 & 4870X2

 

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=11135

 


Message edited by lorik on 09-10-2009 at 07:52:44 PM
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Looks very good. Nvidia has no new cards to respond to the low/mid range but i hear there high end card is going to be a beast. 512sp, 2gig gddr5 512 bit, 40nm, dx11.


Message edited by invisik on 09-10-2009 at 03:13:30 AM
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28w on idle is pretty impressive I gotta admit.

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If the power consumption really is that low I'm rather shocked. Looks good for multi gpu versions.

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Looks good, too bad it doesn't talk much about 5870X2 though :D

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too bad it costs $300 just for the 5850

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I don't think those high prices are real - ATI talked about aggressive pricing... pleasantly surprising people etc

am still hopeful of a much lower price point.

Reply to Pailin

yea the power consumption seems insane! let's hope it's all real :)

Reply to aznguy0028

Well well well there was a story here: http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9887.html that said the HD5870 will support up to 6 monitors at 2560x1600 and that the performance will be 25-40% better then that of a HD4870 depending on product(the game or whatever you put it up for).That news got me so dissapointed but appparently now they pulled the story I hope that it's more than what they said there.
Also what if just if ATI sells the cards at $50 or why not $100 cheaper than the rumored prices ?
Also was there a launch already or a delay or something what are they doing they were going to release the cards to the press today?

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Now we just need some DX11 games. Just not in 5 years when a new Graphics API is out.

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The beauty with the unified shaders is that now they could continuously add more and more shaders to boost performance.

Though I am very skeptical about the power consumption even if we are talking about 32nm.

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The first game that has DX11 is Dirt2 on PC, the Aliens Predator (thing) + 2 more but I don't remember.
I think they are going to launch the HD58XX with a techdemo of they're own and with the gameplay of Dirt2.

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amnotanoobie wrote :

The beauty with the unified shaders is that now they could continuously add more and more shaders to boost performance.

Though I am very skeptical about the power consumption even if we are talking about 32nm.


Surely you mean 40nm.

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Reply to Mousemonkey

Yea, but it nuthin compared to nVidias new killer monster bbq fps beyond a zillion card
http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu171/jaydeejohn/whoop.jpg

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lol ^^ i wonder how will that fit in a case :P


Message edited by Maziar on 09-10-2009 at 04:31:20 PM
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For some reason I would like to see that on the market :heink:
They would most likely bundle it with a power plant.

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I dunno, if they're at 1600 Shaders and 80TMU's, AND a higher clockspeed, how could they not eat the HD 4870X2 for breakfast? Same # of shaders/TMU's and such, higher bandwidth (per core), and in a single-chip.

Methinks that 60% increase was talking about the HD 5850.

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I think somewhere ATI is laughing it's head off at the rumours that are floating. What if it's all fake and when they show the real thing it throws us off our rocking chairs? When is the press release taking place?

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Cant beleive where I got thursday the 10th launch date from but I have been looking forward to today for a long time just to find out it could be the 23rd instead :(

Am looking forward to seeing the true benchies and specs soon, but from what is going around it looks like they will have a stonker of a card to release,

It seems to me that Nvidia has definately got the lead on faster cards, well they have since the 7xxx series and dont doubt when they launch the gtx300 it will be a huge card, but I am now quite happy sticking to ATI roadpath and upgrading accordingly, as it just costs so much less for the required performance! (unless I was going to get a 30" screen of course)

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I figured the origional $299 price for the 5870 was far too low; $399 sounds about right for something as fast as the 4870X2.

That being said, being *only* as fast as a 4870X2 is somewhat of a dissapointment; basically, they kept with the premier card of the next generation being as fast as the previous X2 model...That's hardly the double performance gains *some* people here were bragging about...

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gamerk316 wrote :

I figured the origional $299 price for the 5870 was far too low; $399 sounds about right for something as fast as the 4870X2.

 

That being said, being *only* as fast as a 4870X2 is somewhat of a dissapointment; basically, they kept with the premier card of the next generation being as fast as the previous X2 model...That's hardly the double performance gains *some* people here were bragging about...

 

It's almost twice as powerful as a single 4890. Not a 4890x2, which if it existed would only have around 1.7x the power of a single 4890 in terms of fps scaling.

 

It is a *lot* more powerful than a 4870x2.

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Message edited by jennyh on 09-10-2009 at 07:18:59 PM
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jennyh wrote :

It's almost twice as powerful as a single 4890. Not a 4890x2, which if it existed would only have around 1.7x the power of a single 4890 in terms of fps scaling.

It is a *lot* more powerful than a 4870x2.




Reliable sources or it's not true.

Show me the evidence.

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Dekasav wrote :

Reliable sources or it's not true.

Show me the evidence.



We've seen previous ATI cards double in performance compared to newly ones like hd2xxx < hd3xxx < 4xxx so this one is no different and crysis is already showing about 125% improvement or maybe a bit less. Only if the news circulating are correct we're talking

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Dekasav wrote :

Reliable sources or it's not true.

 

Show me the evidence.

 


Did you click the links andraxxus posted? The 5870 has doubled most stuff on the 4870. Some a little more than double, the only thing that didn't double up or more is the bandwith which is by far the least important.

 

A 4870x2 would have very similar stats to a single 5870, but suffers from xfire scaling. Think about a slightly more powerful 4870x2, with higher clockspeeds, no xfire penalty and far superior overclocking potential.

 

That is a 5870.


Message edited by jennyh on 09-10-2009 at 07:51:14 PM
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The 4870 was a lot more powerful than a 3870x2. In fact the 4850 was just as powerful as the 3870x2.

ATI have made that again with room to spare, if not actually increased the gap. I will be very surprised, looking at those crysis benchmarks, if the 5870 is not even more of a power increase over the 4870x2 than what the 4870 was over the 3870x2.

If Nvidia haven't made a simalar jump, they might as well forget all about it this round.

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the 3870x2 had higher clocks, fewer shaders, than the 4870, and lost.The 5870 appears to have the same shader counts, but has a higher core speed than the 4870x2.
Itll have faster ram, wont have to deal with cf, has a better schedular, appears to have a better usage of memory as well, and yes, itll beat the a 4870x2, and beats anything nVidia has as well, its simply the fastest single card out


Message edited by JAYDEEJOHN on 09-10-2009 at 08:23:07 PM
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Im really really disappointed in nVidia in only being able to release 6 cards in almost 2 years, with still nothing on the horizon.
I was hoping nVidia would at least show for a new DX, or even a new OS, but guess not, they must be having many problems

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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3635

Left for dead playable at... wait for it...

7680 x 3200!!!!

Reply to Amiga500
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I agree that the leaks point that the HD 5870 should stomp on everything (as it should be ~20% faster than the HD 4870X2/GTX295), however, to blatantly say it IS as powerful as 4890CF and it IS a lot more powerful than an HD 4870X2 should not be done, as we don't have reliable, conclusive evidence.

 

If you're speculating on leaks, do not state things as fact. When JDJ says things based on links, he uses words like "should be" "appears to" and such. Take note of it, it's the reason he has credibility, and many who have similar views do not.

 

Though I am on your side, I believe the HD 5850 will be roughly equal to the HD 4970X2, and the HD 5870 should be a solid 20% above the GTX295, that is, if the leaks are correct/unaltered/etc.


Message edited by Dekasav on 09-10-2009 at 08:43:38 PM
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http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15454/1/


wow that is so beautifull :D:D:D
look at that pretty backplate looks awesome

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Amiga500 wrote :

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3635

Left for dead playable at... wait for it...

7680 x 3200!!!!



Cool.

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Does anyone else find 190 watts for the HD 5870 and 170 watts for the HD 5850 to be a little high? I mean, doesn't the HD 4850 only pulls like... 110watts? I realize they look like they'll be beasts, but wow. Maybe my memory is a little off....

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Amiga500 wrote :

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3635

Left for dead playable at... wait for it...

7680 x 3200!!!!



WOW !!! i wonder how much that Samsung monitor will cost :D

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Annand does

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

i really dont get according to which leaks the 5870 should be equal to gtx 295...

is anyone really expecting this? lol

Reply to Nica Guy

i think at most it will be on pair with the 4870x2, best case scenario IMO...

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Nica Guy wrote :

i really dont get according to which leaks the 5870 should be equal to gtx 295...

is anyone really expecting this? lol



I'm expecting it to stomp on the 295.

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Nica Guy wrote :

i really dont get according to which leaks the 5870 should be equal to gtx 295...

is anyone really expecting this? lol


Only the fanATics.

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Ive heard from the very beginning itll be between the 4870x2 and the 295, and so far, its still looking that way

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

yep... ur always so positive jennyh...
its 60% better than 4870 u guys want to bealieve its 60% better than 4890 but no one said that...

Reply to Nica Guy

i think it'll be between a 285 and a 4870x2, much much closer to the x2 though...

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6 screens of wow at 80fps on full details...I doubt a single 295gtx do that.

The 4870x2 isn't really much slower than a gtx295 anyway Nica...

Reply to jennyh

well just like all of u i want this card to wipe everything else, even if its at $400 but beats the 295 ill probably get it :)

Reply to Nica Guy

and for ATI to charge $400 its must be good...

Reply to Nica Guy

i would like a 285 if they go down to $200 :D:D

Reply to Nica Guy

Well. Two good cards in row. Not so bad at all. The chip is actually a guite bit larger than previous, so the increased price is in line with that aspect. It will be really interesting to see what 4770 upgrade will be like. DX11 ofcourse, but if there is any speed increase allso, it would be interesting card allso in cheaper price segment, when the uppper part is going to be more expensive than 48xx series.

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Nica Guy wrote :

i would like a 285 if they go down to $200 :D:D



If an 8800 Ultra still sells for 350.00$ (new) on e-bay, I doubt the 285 will ever cost 200.00$.... Would be nice thou..... ;)

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