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September 10, 2009 12:45:48 AM

Finger Crossed if it beats GTX 295 & 4870X2

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=11135

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a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 12:49:54 AM

Interesting
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 1:12:52 AM

Looks very good. Nvidia has no new cards to respond to the low/mid range but i hear there high end card is going to be a beast. 512sp, 2gig gddr5 512 bit, 40nm, dx11.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 2:14:50 AM

28w on idle is pretty impressive I gotta admit.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 6:58:15 AM

If the power consumption really is that low I'm rather shocked. Looks good for multi gpu versions.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 7:08:51 AM

Looks good, too bad it doesn't talk much about 5870X2 though :D 
September 10, 2009 7:25:42 AM

too bad it costs $300 just for the 5850
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 7:38:09 AM

I don't think those high prices are real - ATI talked about aggressive pricing... pleasantly surprising people etc

am still hopeful of a much lower price point.

September 10, 2009 7:48:46 AM

yea the power consumption seems insane! let's hope it's all real :) 
September 10, 2009 8:02:33 AM

Well well well there was a story here: http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9887.html that said the HD5870 will support up to 6 monitors at 2560x1600 and that the performance will be 25-40% better then that of a HD4870 depending on product(the game or whatever you put it up for).That news got me so dissapointed but appparently now they pulled the story I hope that it's more than what they said there.
Also what if just if ATI sells the cards at $50 or why not $100 cheaper than the rumored prices ?
Also was there a launch already or a delay or something what are they doing they were going to release the cards to the press today?
September 10, 2009 8:02:51 AM

Now we just need some DX11 games. Just not in 5 years when a new Graphics API is out.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 8:05:56 AM

The beauty with the unified shaders is that now they could continuously add more and more shaders to boost performance.

Though I am very skeptical about the power consumption even if we are talking about 32nm.
September 10, 2009 8:11:39 AM

The first game that has DX11 is Dirt2 on PC, the Aliens Predator (thing) + 2 more but I don't remember.
I think they are going to launch the HD58XX with a techdemo of they're own and with the gameplay of Dirt2.
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 12:28:57 PM

amnotanoobie said:
The beauty with the unified shaders is that now they could continuously add more and more shaders to boost performance.

Though I am very skeptical about the power consumption even if we are talking about 32nm.

Surely you mean 40nm.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 12:34:49 PM

Yea, but it nuthin compared to nVidias new killer monster bbq fps beyond a zillion card
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 2:30:51 PM

lol ^^ i wonder how will that fit in a case :p 
September 10, 2009 3:13:56 PM

For some reason I would like to see that on the market :heink: 
They would most likely bundle it with a power plant.
September 10, 2009 3:41:45 PM

I dunno, if they're at 1600 Shaders and 80TMU's, AND a higher clockspeed, how could they not eat the HD 4870X2 for breakfast? Same # of shaders/TMU's and such, higher bandwidth (per core), and in a single-chip.

Methinks that 60% increase was talking about the HD 5850.
September 10, 2009 3:51:40 PM

I think somewhere ATI is laughing it's head off at the rumours that are floating. What if it's all fake and when they show the real thing it throws us off our rocking chairs? When is the press release taking place?
Anonymous
September 10, 2009 4:20:54 PM

Cant beleive where I got thursday the 10th launch date from but I have been looking forward to today for a long time just to find out it could be the 23rd instead :( 

Am looking forward to seeing the true benchies and specs soon, but from what is going around it looks like they will have a stonker of a card to release,

It seems to me that Nvidia has definately got the lead on faster cards, well they have since the 7xxx series and dont doubt when they launch the gtx300 it will be a huge card, but I am now quite happy sticking to ATI roadpath and upgrading accordingly, as it just costs so much less for the required performance! (unless I was going to get a 30" screen of course)
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 5:09:58 PM

I figured the origional $299 price for the 5870 was far too low; $399 sounds about right for something as fast as the 4870X2.

That being said, being *only* as fast as a 4870X2 is somewhat of a dissapointment; basically, they kept with the premier card of the next generation being as fast as the previous X2 model...That's hardly the double performance gains *some* people here were bragging about...
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 5:18:11 PM

gamerk316 said:
I figured the origional $299 price for the 5870 was far too low; $399 sounds about right for something as fast as the 4870X2.

That being said, being *only* as fast as a 4870X2 is somewhat of a dissapointment; basically, they kept with the premier card of the next generation being as fast as the previous X2 model...That's hardly the double performance gains *some* people here were bragging about...


It's almost twice as powerful as a single 4890. Not a 4890x2, which if it existed would only have around 1.7x the power of a single 4890 in terms of fps scaling.

It is a *lot* more powerful than a 4870x2.
September 10, 2009 5:28:59 PM

jennyh said:
It's almost twice as powerful as a single 4890. Not a 4890x2, which if it existed would only have around 1.7x the power of a single 4890 in terms of fps scaling.

It is a *lot* more powerful than a 4870x2.



Reliable sources or it's not true.

Show me the evidence.
September 10, 2009 5:40:52 PM

Dekasav said:
Reliable sources or it's not true.

Show me the evidence.


We've seen previous ATI cards double in performance compared to newly ones like hd2xxx < hd3xxx < 4xxx so this one is no different and crysis is already showing about 125% improvement or maybe a bit less. Only if the news circulating are correct we're talking
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 5:48:37 PM

Dekasav said:
Reliable sources or it's not true.

Show me the evidence.



Did you click the links andraxxus posted? The 5870 has doubled most stuff on the 4870. Some a little more than double, the only thing that didn't double up or more is the bandwith which is by far the least important.

A 4870x2 would have very similar stats to a single 5870, but suffers from xfire scaling. Think about a slightly more powerful 4870x2, with higher clockspeeds, no xfire penalty and far superior overclocking potential.

That is a 5870.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 5:54:24 PM

The 4870 was a lot more powerful than a 3870x2. In fact the 4850 was just as powerful as the 3870x2.

ATI have made that again with room to spare, if not actually increased the gap. I will be very surprised, looking at those crysis benchmarks, if the 5870 is not even more of a power increase over the 4870x2 than what the 4870 was over the 3870x2.

If Nvidia haven't made a simalar jump, they might as well forget all about it this round.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 6:22:38 PM

the 3870x2 had higher clocks, fewer shaders, than the 4870, and lost.The 5870 appears to have the same shader counts, but has a higher core speed than the 4870x2.
Itll have faster ram, wont have to deal with cf, has a better schedular, appears to have a better usage of memory as well, and yes, itll beat the a 4870x2, and beats anything nVidia has as well, its simply the fastest single card out
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 6:25:21 PM

Im really really disappointed in nVidia in only being able to release 6 cards in almost 2 years, with still nothing on the horizon.
I was hoping nVidia would at least show for a new DX, or even a new OS, but guess not, they must be having many problems
September 10, 2009 6:37:16 PM

I agree that the leaks point that the HD 5870 should stomp on everything (as it should be ~20% faster than the HD 4870X2/GTX295), however, to blatantly say it IS as powerful as 4890CF and it IS a lot more powerful than an HD 4870X2 should not be done, as we don't have reliable, conclusive evidence.

If you're speculating on leaks, do not state things as fact. When JDJ says things based on links, he uses words like "should be" "appears to" and such. Take note of it, it's the reason he has credibility, and many who have similar views do not.

Though I am on your side, I believe the HD 5850 will be roughly equal to the HD 4970X2, and the HD 5870 should be a solid 20% above the GTX295, that is, if the leaks are correct/unaltered/etc.
September 10, 2009 6:48:35 PM

Does anyone else find 190 watts for the HD 5870 and 170 watts for the HD 5850 to be a little high? I mean, doesn't the HD 4850 only pulls like... 110watts? I realize they look like they'll be beasts, but wow. Maybe my memory is a little off....
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 6:58:32 PM

Annand does
September 10, 2009 6:59:38 PM

i really dont get according to which leaks the 5870 should be equal to gtx 295...

is anyone really expecting this? lol
September 10, 2009 7:00:41 PM

i think at most it will be on pair with the 4870x2, best case scenario IMO...
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 7:03:37 PM

Nica Guy said:
i really dont get according to which leaks the 5870 should be equal to gtx 295...

is anyone really expecting this? lol


I'm expecting it to stomp on the 295.
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 7:04:25 PM

Nica Guy said:
i really dont get according to which leaks the 5870 should be equal to gtx 295...

is anyone really expecting this? lol

Only the fanATics.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 7:05:01 PM

Ive heard from the very beginning itll be between the 4870x2 and the 295, and so far, its still looking that way
September 10, 2009 7:05:11 PM

yep... ur always so positive jennyh...
its 60% better than 4870 u guys want to bealieve its 60% better than 4890 but no one said that...
September 10, 2009 7:07:03 PM

i think it'll be between a 285 and a 4870x2, much much closer to the x2 though...
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 7:12:52 PM

6 screens of wow at 80fps on full details...I doubt a single 295gtx do that.

The 4870x2 isn't really much slower than a gtx295 anyway Nica...
September 10, 2009 7:24:28 PM

well just like all of u i want this card to wipe everything else, even if its at $400 but beats the 295 ill probably get it :) 
September 10, 2009 7:24:57 PM

and for ATI to charge $400 its must be good...
September 10, 2009 7:27:46 PM

i would like a 285 if they go down to $200 :D :D 
September 10, 2009 7:53:37 PM

Well. Two good cards in row. Not so bad at all. The chip is actually a guite bit larger than previous, so the increased price is in line with that aspect. It will be really interesting to see what 4770 upgrade will be like. DX11 ofcourse, but if there is any speed increase allso, it would be interesting card allso in cheaper price segment, when the uppper part is going to be more expensive than 48xx series.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2009 8:53:14 PM

Nica Guy said:
i would like a 285 if they go down to $200 :D :D 


If an 8800 Ultra still sells for 350.00$ (new) on e-bay, I doubt the 285 will ever cost 200.00$.... Would be nice thou..... ;) 
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