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August 21, 2009 4:52:57 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Next Month

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming (Orange Box, Garry's Mod, Starcraft II, Diablo III, Dawn of War II, Fallout III and things below) Photoshop, and general computing.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: CD Drive, Hard Drive, Monitor

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Tiger Direct, Newegg, eBay

PARTS PREFERENCES: AMD ATI

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050

CURRENT DECIDED SETUP:

Case
Rosewill R220-P-BK Black 0.5mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card
SAPPHIRE 100265HDMI Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard
Foxconn A74MX-K AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (Not sure... If it supports 125W processors)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
OCZ NVIDIA SLI-Ready Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2N800SRC44GK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU
hec HP485D 485W ATX12V Power Supply - No Power Cord - OEM (Seems adequate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


HARD DRIVE

200 GB Western Digital SATA

CD DRIVE
Burner IDE

POSSIBLE CHANGES:

Phenom II x2 245 3.0 GHz and a 785G mATX (Seems like a much better value)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply - Retail (Want it to be cheaper with the same reliability)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Currently at: $315.93 w/o Tax + Shipping[/b]

I want this machine to be at the best value as possible and be able to run what I need smooth at decent graphics. Looking at other people's gaming builds have me thinking I'm being unrealistic, however I had a real *** PC with a older value nVidia graphics card that pleased me. This thing look enormously better than that PC. So yeah, I'm new to the PC building so, be easy on me :kaola: 

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August 21, 2009 5:08:05 AM

This PSU will cost you 17 more after rebates but the odds of it going up like a firecracker are exponentially lower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For 16 more you can get a better board and a much much better processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

And for $15 more you can get decent quality and decent frame rates at that resolution
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So for 48 more you can get a fairly modern build capable of giving you medium detail at good frame rates at that resolution, bringing your grand total up to $364
August 21, 2009 5:16:01 AM

I agree with the combo pack and the graphics card. However, if I could get a cheaper PSU that would be great. I don't trust rebates very much.
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August 21, 2009 5:22:33 AM

This is the cheapest, before MIR, one i could find that is from a good brand. Most cheap PSUs use crap parts and can blow up when stressed to hard.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If the PSU seems to cheap to be true, it is. Skip to about 2:01 in the video on this page to see what happens when you get a cheapo one and stress it too hard
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/527/7

Would you rather pay an extra 20 for the PSU, or save that 20 and have it blow up and take out the GPU and motherboard?
August 21, 2009 5:27:32 AM

Woah O.o, don't want that to happen.

Hmm, I agree with you for sure :D  I still want to low ball as much as possible safely. You know anything about Thermaltake? Seems to have almost all positive review and is more than $10 cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 21, 2009 5:31:37 AM

Anything with a little red voltage switch is a sign that it has no PFC, any half decent PSU will have passive PFC at the very least and good ones will have Active PFC. It provides better power and voltage regulation. If it has a little red switch on the back skip it and move on. General short list of good PSU manufacturers antec(not the basiq series), corsair, seasonic, PC Power & Cooling, and OCZ. Cooler master and thermaltake have some good ones but if its not 80+ certified it hasnt necessarily passed a test at 100% load.
August 21, 2009 5:44:03 AM

I don't know, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... seems like a better deal. Not to mention the word rebate gives me bad memories being on the phone for hours with no results.

I appreciate the post about the power supply, but I need a little clarity. I filtered by Passive PFC only to find 3 of them with the red switches. Active PFC however seems to not have them. Just a little confused now :pt1cable: 

Oh and the one that you linked is 420W PSU and I think the graphics card requires 450W.
August 21, 2009 5:54:50 AM

ainulph said:
I don't know, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... seems like a better deal. Not to mention the word rebate gives me bad memories being on the phone for hours with no results.

I appreciate the post about the power supply, but I need a little clarity. I filtered by Passive PFC only to find 3 of them with the red switches. Active PFC however seems to not have them. Just a little confused now :pt1cable: 



The xfx 4850 has a different cooler but its gfx performance is identical and it costs another $19 . Nice cooler though .

PSU' that dont have active pcf have the red switch to move between 110 and 240 volts . Active pcf electronic monitoring of the voltages so when you plug it in it works out for itself what the voltage from the socket is
August 21, 2009 3:17:03 PM

Those cheap PSUs blowing up are always good for a sick laugh (yes, people look at me as though I have a hole in my head). Hunter315 is right about avoiding the little red voltage switch; at best, it means an older, inefficient design, and at worst it means a POS that is hardly fit to power light bulbs. Except Basiq, even though they aren't truly crap, I've become an Antec fanboy myself; all competent technical reviews of any of them are good to great.
It was higher yesterday, but the Antec Earthwatts 380 (can power a 4850) is now $40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I don't care for the rebate game either. I'd go for a dual-slot cooler like the XFX 4850 you linked, since they can run hot, and exhausting the heat is better than leaving it in your case. As much as I like the cheap Rosewill cases myself, airflow is not their strong suit unless you add a front 120mm fan.
For RAM, on that 785G board you'll need DDR2. AMD CPUs can get some benefit from DDR2-1066, but it isn't a lot, and DDR2-800 is cheaper. Just make sure you get RAM that will run on the JEDEC standard 1.8V. At the low end, A-Data is decent, like this set: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 21, 2009 3:44:51 PM

That is a price I can handle :)  However on the 4850 that I linked earlier under the specfications it has
Quote:
System Requirements: Minimum Power Supply Requirement: 450 Watt
I trust your judgement, but I want to make sure this wasn't an oversight :o 

I'm going to be searching for a combo deal for PSU + Case later. Thanks guys, keep it up :love: 

August 21, 2009 3:48:29 PM

Find a cheapo 450 watt psu, then compare its stats to the EA380 or the corsair 400CX, that minimum requirement is just to keep people from buying those crappy star tech ones and putting too much load on them and making them blow. The EA380 can run it but it will be running at a higher percentage of its total power so it will have a shorter life than normal but should still last you a few years, by which point you will probably have wanted to upgrade something or other.
August 21, 2009 10:07:06 PM

The 4850 at max load pulls 9.1A. The Earthwatts 380 can handle that, 24/7 month after month. A cheap 450W PSU, however, is probably only good for some fraction of that. For example, the exploding PSU in the video was really only good for 350W, at which point it is only providing 9A-10A on each of its +12V rails, barely enough.
August 22, 2009 3:29:20 AM

well you need an os, vista home premium is great right now, it has a free upgrade to windows 7. also, that case is gonna be expensive since it doesnt have free shipping, find one that does
August 22, 2009 3:42:16 AM

No operating system is needed, I have that covered :) 
August 22, 2009 3:53:40 AM

I'd suggest a Pentium Dual Core E5200 Wolfdale (2.5ghz/2mb cache/ 45nm). Its $63 w/free shipping from newegg. I have one at work and I have it easily cranked up to 3.4ghz on a cheap $55 MSI MCP73 nvidia 610i motherboard. It gets benchmarks just a hair under a 3.0ghz Core2Duo! Definitely bang for the buck. I have played games with it. After work hours of course. And its real smooth, not bogged down at all. I'd also recommend the Nvidia GTS250 for $99 after MIR for the 512mb or $114 for the 1gb card! I'd try to spend as much money as u can on a quality power supply because that's a very important piece of the equation. Another good graphics card would be a radeon 4770, 4850. One last thing Tigerdirect.com has some pretty decent barebones kits on their site. I've seen some budget amd gamer barebones kits for right around your budget.
August 22, 2009 3:09:50 PM

i second that recommendation for the e5200. i have one cranked up to 3.325, temps are at 40 idle and its just awesome
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