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August 21, 2009 8:32:38 AM

My 5 years young Dell finally crapped out on me, so now I have the excuse I need to build the dream PC I've wanted for a long time. I don't completely understand all the in's and out's of everything, but I am pretty sure that I get the basics. I've read a lot of guides and gotten a lot of help from users, and I won't be making any decisions without several different influences. I'm not going to end up like the guy that buys a bunch of incompatible parts and 8 gigs of ram only to turn the thing on and have it burst into flames. I'm smarter than that.

I already said that I have no budget, and I want to justify that. Computers have always been important to me, ever since I was a kid and dad bought our first home system back in '95 or somesuch. Digital entertainment in general is precious to me, due to its versatility of use and the fact that I can do just about ANYTHING I could want to do on a computer. It is my prime source of entertainment, and as such, I do not mind spending extra monies on it. I'm not looking to get a megacomputer with i7 extreme and whatnot, however; I have no use at all for such power. If I can get 90% of the output an i7 extreme system does, at a much lower price, then that's the deal I want. At least for the CPU's, I am fairly certain I want the second-tier gear, like the Q9550 or the i7 920, and if that same principle of second-tier technology translates into other parts as well, then I want that too.

So anyway, what I think I'm gonna do here is just tell you a bunch of things I anticipate doing on my new computer, and you guys fill me in on whatever ideas you have for the rest of my build. I am giving you guys free reign here, with both the product and my wallet, so don't be afraid to speak up and offer any opinions you have on anyone else's ideas, but especially mine. This is an open project, and I am all-ears.

Let's get started.

Gaming. Definitely the most important part of this build. I am looking to build a gaming PC, but again not a cutting-edge super beast that makes Diablo 4 and Call of Duty 8 fall to their knees... I don't mind at all to play older and less-demanding games, like Battlefield 2142 or Team Fortress, or Fable, and I even take a big interest in older games like Warcraft 3 and even NES and GBA emulation. So tell me what you think my CPU and video card needs are especially, but keep in mind any nifty accessories as well :whistle:  I love gadgets.

Music A). Output. I have music playing almost non-stop whenever I am within hearing range. I download as much as I can listen to and I even leave my PC on when I go to bed and time it to turn off an hour later, just so I can enjoy the sound while I fall to sleep. I've heard contesting opinions about whether or not built-in mobo sound is sufficient, or to buy a new card altogether, so give me your thoughts on that one. My 25 dollar Altec Lansing speakers (lol) and 5 year old store-bought Dell have served my purposes so far, though, and I have had few complaints about them.


Music B). Input. I am going to be laying down at least a few tracks with my friend, so having a PC that won't interfere with audio recording will be nice. Being quiet, but not silent, and making sure the mic and headphone jacks are SEPARATE! (Did I mention I hate laptops?)


Speed and ease of use. My old Dell may have been reliable, but boooooooy was she slow in every way imaginable. I'm ready to move past that and invest into something that is going to keep everything running smoothly, and I mean EVERYTHING from my downloads to my word processing to my gaming to my media playing to my internet exploration.

Reliability. I'm spending a lot of money on this rig, so I wanna make sure everything is working properly for the next several years at least. Cooling and neat warranties are + here.

CD/DVD/whatever burning. I burn movies and music for friends, and I want to be able to do that from now on, except FASTER and BETTER. I don't want the discs to skip anymore even though I spent 6 hours burning the damned movie. I need an up-to-date burner that supports any kind of conceivable format of both input and output. Lightscribe sounds pretty cool.

Not Vista. Need I say more? I've heard too many bad things about Vista.


Edit: If Vista has been made more user-friendly then I may consider. I am not completely convinced yet, though.


Adaptability/versatility. I want to be able to do just about everything on this thing, and I also want it to be upgradeable in the future. I want to do favors for friends and edit their pictures and send them to them. I want to be able to add neat accessories and adjust some things, so probably having a bigger tower with lots of ports would be nice.

I may edit this sometime in the future, but that's what I've got right now.

I want to repeat that this is very important to me, so likewise is your advice and opinions. I am all-ears here. Tell me ANYTHING you think should change, anything you want to add or take away. I only have one real request, and that is that you qualify your recommendations; like if you want to contest an idea of my own or that of another user, please tell us why so that I can, ultimately, make the decisions I need to.

Thanks a lot, guys. I know this'll be fun.

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August 21, 2009 8:44:43 AM

This will be fun for many posters here including myself. If you don't mind, I'm going to bed and when I get up I will get back to this for you and give some ideas.

I take it you have plenty of room for a large case and 5.1 ~ 7.1 surround sound speakers?

Are you including the idea of a new monitor and does size matter?

Tell us some reasons you wouldn't go Vista. Service pack releases have actually made this a decent OS and if you build a new system with the latest and greatest it would be a shame to put XP on it with directx9 limitations. The only reason I can justify not going Vista is you are waiting on Windows 7.

Also, do you need a lot of hard drive space for music and movies and such?

Lol, Quite Riot came to mind when I read your avatar...

August 21, 2009 8:52:15 AM

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If you don't mind, I'm going to bed and when I get up I will get back to this for you and give some ideas.


THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE

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August 21, 2009 9:35:20 AM

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$25 (rosewill, cheap and basic, nuff said)
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$60 OCZ ModXStream 500W (never skimp here)
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$85 Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P (AM3)
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$61 AM3 X2 240 (get a Tri, or Quad later)
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$69 Crucial Ballistics DDR3 1333 2x2GB
Vid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$95 Sapphire ATI 4850 (cheaper than the 4770's now)
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$50 Samsung 320GB SATA
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$27 Samsung 22x DVDR/RW
August 21, 2009 10:24:43 AM

If you don't go with vista you're basically saying that you want tech which is 7 years old.

because if you don't go with vista, you can't go with 7 since they are based on the same kernel, and the only difference is optimizations and the GUI.
August 21, 2009 10:34:32 AM

+1 helloworld - Windows 7 in all it's glory is a redesigned Vista - same kernal, but improved features. Otherwise, you're using same ol' XP.

I'd aim at an i7 920, Asus P6T or Gigabyte mobo, a decent full tower case (Antec 1200 is you like all the fans/lights), 6GB DDR3 for around $100. I'd look at a WD 640 GB HDD or 1TB Black, or something in that range.

Sorry this is brief and not as detailed as I like - have to get ready for work.

Be back to check later.
August 21, 2009 11:09:09 AM

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August 21, 2009 11:51:00 AM

I'm at work and on my slow laptop, so I won't be providing a list of parts. I am happy to give my suggestions. I would look for an i5/i7/AM3 system first. If 5 years go by between upgrades, these will have the best chance of excepting new parts. The odds are still low that anything 5 years from now will fit in one, but it might be possible. I wouldn't max the memory out. If you get an i7, 6GBs will be fine. 2 years from now ram will come in bigger sticks, and cost less. You'lll need a 64bit os for this. XP-64 sucks, and if you are unwilling to try vista, you might want to wait for win7. Unless you can still get the beta. If you get a higher end video card you should be ok. Keep upgrading it every 18-24 months and you should be in gaming heaven.

I personally would go with the i7 920, 6GBs of ram, and the 4890. Add in a motherboard, 640GB drive, and an Antec or Corsair PSU and you should be nearly set. I'm not sure of what audio card you'd need.
August 21, 2009 2:24:11 PM

^+1 4745454b...

I would go with the Corsair 750 watt psu as they run deals on that all the time and is a good level psu for later upgrades video card wise.

I personally like EVGA. If you get an EVGA motherboard and video card such as the ones below you can dial their support number and have someone on the phone to help you with any issues or questions within 2-15 minutes and usually closer to 2-5.

Motherboard:
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=141-BL-E75...

Video card:
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=896-P3-117...

And if you are really itching to spend some money and get a little crazy then add a second video card and go SLI and get the following:

Speakers: You sound like a stickler for sound - this will make you happy ;) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Review the pics of this sound card and make sure it has the connections you require. Great reviews on this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: 1245 5 egg reviews can't be wrong ;) 
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The last 3 items are going over the top. If you want to exercise your ability to spend spend spend then go for it and you and your friend will be estatically blown away...
August 21, 2009 4:09:51 PM

One other thing to analyze is that you mentioned you would be happy with a mainstream setup. I have the Q9550 and am quite happy with it and you probably would be as well. The only thing to consider is that you basically are giving up the idea of being able to simply change the processor to get a future upgrade as the 775 socket is dead. The fastest of the fastest for that socket is already out and what you see is what you get from now on unless you do a major overhaul. I personally would go with the I7 setup as there will be much more upgrade options for you in the future if you choose to do so.

If none of that matters to you then the Q9550 paired with the video card and other parts I mentioned will do great. You will need to get a different motherboard and ddr2 ram obviously.

My suggestion on the motherboard as you would know it is this:

For a single video card: I have this one in my media center setup
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=113-YW-E11...


For SLI:
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=132-YW-E17...

I just got to thinking more along the lines of you saying that would be fine. I know no one will advise going that route as they see no real future upgrades in this platform but if you are trying to keep the cost down to the minimum that would be a good start. I also considered the fact you used your last system for 5 years without upgrading so I think you would actually be fine in doing this but only to save money.

If you don't mind spending more then I would suggest as others have to go I7 or even AM3.
August 21, 2009 5:20:56 PM

I'm at work, and have been busy enough that I may not have time to devote to a parts list, but here are some general thoughts. No budget is nice, but I've never been a fan of spending money just because you can; don't give up anything you need, but make sure to get something for your money.

CPU: A 720BE is adequate for what you have described, and leaves open a growth path to a 945 or 955 later, if you ever need it. You may not.
GPU: Today, get one HD4870, with 1GB of RAM for high resolution. You may want more later, but pretty soon the next generation of cards will be out. You might sell this and get one or two of them, or add a second one of these if the new ones aren't a big enough jump. If you don't think waiting for the HD5000-series cards is worthwhile, get one HD4890 now; growth path is a second one for Crossfire.
MOBO: 790GX. With two PCI Express slots (X16 or X8+X8), you'll be able to run Crossfire if you need it, when you need it. You can also use the onboard graphics to run an additional monitor, possibly HDMI for movies, without affecting your gaming. If you don't care about that, get a 790FX to have X16 for both PCIE slots.
RAM: 2x2GB of DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600. The former is still considerably cheaper, and not a lot slower.
PSU: The last place to skimp. To allow for future growth, consider an Antec Truepower New 850W. They're semi-modular, so you won't have spaghetti you don't yet need, but provide a wealth of connectors when you do, including four PCIE power cables. This PSU is 80+ bronze. Second choice here, if you do want to spend more, go for the Antec Signature SG-850. Also 80+ bronze, reviews suggest to me that while obviously not the biggest, this is the best consumer PSU available today. Reviews for both of these products are consistently outstanding. Find them at www.jonnyguru.com, www.hardocp.com, www.hardwaresecrets.com, and others.
CASE: Purely personal preference. Make sure it's big enough to hold what you plan to put in it, and has good cooling. I like my Coolermaster CM-RC690; I don't care for cheaper Coolermaster cases, but this one is nice. Antec 300 is similar.
OS: Windows 7. I wouldn't touch Vista, but as similar as Win7 is, it seems to have been fixed, and works well.
GADGETS: memory card reader (connect AFTER you install your OS), fan controller, temperature monitor; all kinds of lighting is available. I like subdued, but if you want lights you can get a windowed case (e.g. Antec 900/902/1200) with cold cathodes, case feet with LEDs in them, etc. You may want a media remote, and/or something like a Gyration wireless air-mouse. Get a quality USB thumb drive for ReadyBoost. One of my systems has a Crucial Gizmo, and the other has an OCZ Rally dual-channel. Both seem fast.
SPEAKERS: I'm not the guy to ask (I'm deaf in one ear), but that will depend a lot on your physical space. For sheer volume, run cables to your stereo system.
August 21, 2009 6:20:39 PM

Are you more confused now or are you getting good ideas?
August 21, 2009 6:40:42 PM

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I take it you have plenty of room for a large case and 5.1 ~ 7.1 surround sound speakers


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Speakers: You sound like a stickler for sound - this will make you happy
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836121120


Well... I'm not picky when it comes to sound. Like I said I have everything stock and it has been dandy so far, although that can quite probably be attributed to my lack of exposure to higher quality sound. In your other post you suggested a speaker system that cost 350 dollars; I just can't believe that would be worth it. My Altec Lansing speakers are set up with a left one and a right one, and a bass box that sits on the floor. The treble and bass can be adjusted from the right speaker. The setup cost me 25 dollars.

So, if you can find me a sweet deal on a nice pair of speakers, and enough people can vouch that I will notice an improvement, then I'm all-ears, but I'm pretty sure that anymore than 150 dollars would be silly.

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Are you including the idea of a new monitor and does size matter?


New monitor - Yes.

Size - Well, probably. I read in a guide that monitor tech develops slowly, so there are good deals on certain sizes, but a bigger size would cost a lot more. The example one guide gave is that 22" monitors are 200 dollars, and a 24" is 350. He said, "Is it worth 150 dollars for 2 extra inches?"

The guide is slightly dated, as you can tell by the numbers, but the principle is the same. So, you tell me what monitor you think I need.

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Tell us some reasons you wouldn't go Vista


I heard it constantly interferes with downloaded programs and right-protects all of your files, making it difficult to burn music. That's just a little off the top of my head, but that's a big deal if it is still true. You say that Vista is more user-friendly now, so I will consider it.

I don't know much about Windows 7.

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Also, do you need a lot of hard drive space for music and movies and such?


I have 350 gigs of internal space, and 150 gigs of a Seagate, and I have about 100 gigs still free. Some stuff will be deleted, but a fast TB drive would probably be a good idea (they are only a hundred bucks).

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Lol, Quite Riot came to mind when I read your avatar...


Indeed, their song was the inspiration of that quote. Whenever I first heard that song, I used to sing along with those lyrics, because I thought that was what they were saying. Now I know better, but I still use that quote because it makes more sense than their lyrics. Don't you agree?

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Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811147109
$25 (rosewill, cheap and basic, nuff said)
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341016
$60 OCZ ModXStream 500W (never skimp here)
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128392
$85 Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P (AM3)
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103688
$61 AM3 X2 240 (get a Tri, or Quad later)
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148227
$69 Crucial Ballistics DDR3 1333 2x2GB
Vid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102824
$95 Sapphire ATI 4850 (cheaper than the 4770's now)
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152096
$50 Samsung 320GB SATA
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151187
$27 Samsung 22x DVDR/RW


I'd like some other opinions on this build.

The case looks like it has had some pretty bad customer reception, but I am digging the price and the return policy. I'm not into flashy lights, so basic is good.

Is the PSU also a cooling device? It has a fan (and a big one too), so that's what I'm thinking. If so it looks like a great deal.

Regarding the CPU, I like the price and that it comes with a cooling device, but I am tempted to think that it is simply too inexpensive. One reviewer said he could OC to 3.4 GH, and that seems like a lot, but I am still tempted to get the i7 920 for just 200 extra dollars and not have to buy another processor for years.

The ram looks OK - fair price, 4 gigs, but it is plagued by bad reviews. I don't know too much about RAM so gimme some info on that.

320 gigs isn't enough. I could get a TB for twice as much.

Yeah, I read about that disc burner in some admin's recommended parts list. It looks great, but does it burn in all the formats I could want?

Gimme your thoughts guys.

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I'd aim at an i7 920, Asus P6T or Gigabyte mobo, a decent full tower case (Antec 1200 is you like all the fans/lights), 6GB DDR3 for around $100. I'd look at a WD 640 GB HDD or 1TB Black, or something in that range.


Isn't 6gb too much? Also, the mobo looks expensive, but I haven't done extensive research on mobos yet.

I'm really loving Why-me's build. It looked like he worked hard to get the prices down with all those rebates and combo deals and everything seems to be at a fair price. Give me your opinions, guys.

August 21, 2009 6:48:32 PM

I'll throw my two cents in here and suggest that you need to think about your disk requirements. If you are going to start recording music then you should consider two drives, a small (e.g., 160GB) one for the OS and apps and another large drive for the music files and all your other data.

And have you given any thought to how you will back up your data?
August 21, 2009 6:49:30 PM

^ 6GB is what the i7's use, as the i7 can use up to triple channel.

Why_me's build is good, only things I'd change are the cooler to a Cogage True spirit (you'll have to look around for one though) and the GPU to a 4890. then get a 5870 or two later.
August 21, 2009 6:54:57 PM

trepanation said:
I'm really loving Why-me's build. It looked like he worked hard to get the prices down with all those rebates and combo deals and everything seems to be at a fair price. Give me your opinions, guys.


Not to sound cocky or anything, but it's a rare day on here anyone post a better build for the money than me unless it's maybe the poster "Gkay".

For a mobo an Asus pt6 or Gigabyte UD4 will do ya just fine. Both of those boards are bullet proof unless you get a bad one...which tends to happen with any board now and then.

That case isn't overly large, yet it gives you plenty of head room for H/S, large vid card, expansion, and it's not loud and it had great cooling/airflow. If you want to cut the price down and still get a decent case, look at the CM690 for a few dollars cheaper.

That psu is rock solid and it allows you to run two of those vid cards in SLI and add another HD later on if you so choose.

The memory is a great deal with the combo price and it allows you to over clock if you so choose.

Vista 64 is a must these days (reads all your memory and supports DX10, not to forget it allows you to upgrade to Windows 7 for free...Windows 7 supports DX11. If you play vid games on your PC, then Vista 64 and later on Windows 7 64 is the only way to go. XP only supports DX9 not to mention XP 64 sucks big time and XP is all but dead.

As for the monitor, that one I posted has a very fast response time (great for gaming), and who needs a monitor the size of a large flat screen TV on their desk ? I have a TV myself for that, I don't need one on my desk. But if you like to watch TV on your monitor, then size up to a 24" that supports HDMI.

August 21, 2009 7:07:54 PM

His build is pretty solid, just pick up a Western Digital 1tb or 640 gig hard drive and you'll be good to go. I would heavily advise getting vista x64 and grabbing the version where you get the free upgrade to windows 7 if its still available. The reasons for using xp are quickly dwindling, and with the imminent release of what seems to be a very solid os, if you can get that free upgrade coupon, that would be the best.

Though vista did have quite a few hiccups when it first appeared on the market, most of those things have been fixed, and it's actually a pretty stable platform now.

Regarding the speaker + sound thing, only you can be the judge of this, just look in the yellow pages for a local audiophile quality store, and go in for a listen with your favorite cd, or they would have some demo one. I can pretty much guarantee that there will be a pretty drastic difference. If you are an avid music listener, I definitely wouldn't skimp on the speakers or sound card. I might even suggest s dedicated amp, though that realm could be another thread entirely.

It's hard to make a blanket statement about whether its worth spending more than 150 dollars on audio equipment, since each individual's ears are different, but if you can hear a difference then its definitely worth it.

August 21, 2009 7:12:59 PM

If you don't like a flashy case you will like the Antec 300. It is very sleek looking, it looks better in person than in the pic:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You will get two case fans already installed in the top and rear of case, you will need to pick up 3 - 120mm fans, 2 in the front of the hard drive bays behind the front cover bezel and 1 in the door. I have two of these and would buy another if needed.


I figured you would be a stickler for sound when you mentioned you will probably cut a few songs with your friend. Usually people that do that want the best and you couple that with your title "I have no budget" gave a sure recipe for my suggestion, lol. There are other options that are cheaper and will work fine and we can work on that as an option if you want. Those speakers coupled with the sound card would do extremely well. I have the Z5300's but I don't think they make them anymore. Those would fit closer to the 150.00 range.

Z5300 - If they are actually in stock

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&source=hp&...

If you noticed, my monitor suggestion is a 28" and only 319.99 after a 20.00 rebate. You can't get much larger or cheaper than that.


Agreed about the Quite Riot lyrics, lol. Too funny.

So to break it down, you should try to decide to go AMD or Intel. Then from there you can pick your video card based on your motherboard being SLI or Crossfire. You may not even go either and have a single card then it would let you choose whatever brand video card you choose.


@ Why_Me, it's a matter of preference on a monitor as we all know. My friend has a 32" on his desk and its quite awesome. You don't need it but for another 100 bucks or so to be able to get a monitor that size with that good of a review only makes sense if you have the space and like that kind of thing.


There's a lot of options here and that's what makes it fun. ;) 



August 21, 2009 7:48:05 PM

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Why_me's build is good, only things I'd change are the cooler to a Cogage True spirit (you'll have to look around for one though) and the GPU to a 4890. then get a 5870 or two later.


OK, but why?

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His build is pretty solid, just pick up a Western Digital 1tb or 640 gig hard drive and you'll be good to go.


What's wrong with the HDD he suggested?

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I would heavily advise getting vista x64 and grabbing the version where you get the free upgrade to windows 7 if its still available. The reasons for using xp are quickly dwindling, and with the imminent release of what seems to be a very solid os, if you can get that free upgrade coupon, that would be the best.


All right. What is a good way to go about doing this? Is the OS package Why_me suggested going to allow me this option?

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Regarding the speaker + sound thing, only you can be the judge of this, just look in the yellow pages for a local audiophile quality store, and go in for a listen with your favorite cd, or they would have some demo one. I can pretty much guarantee that there will be a pretty drastic difference.


Well, I guess I won't worry about speakers too much right now. I can always add new ones later, and the ones I have seem to be doing very well. My friend is very, very observsant, so I might go shopping with him some day and find some speakers that suit my needs. He would certainly know a lot more about it than me, as he has been an audiophile since he was 16 years old. He's 30 now.

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You will get two case fans already installed in the top and rear of case, you will need to pick up 3 - 120mm fans, 2 in the front of the hard drive bays behind the front cover bezel and 1 in the door. I have two of these and would buy another if needed.


OK. I like how the price is better, and from what you are telling me it seems the case has better cooling than the one Why_me suggested. I really don't think sparkly things will be important for my case, since it will most likely be put into a slot below my desk and only used occasionally. Besides, if I wanted to decorate the thing, I would want to do it MYSELF, by painting it or adding some of my own lights to it. To me, buying a shiny case is no different than buying a pre-made computer. So, tell me anything I missed in my comparison.

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If you noticed, my monitor suggestion is a 28" and only 319.99 after a 20.00 rebate.


His is half that price and from what I am reading it has better video quality. I would like to see some more comparisons done between these two, however; if it is worth it then I will get the one Eng suggests, but if not than I'm gonna save 150 dollars and get Why_me's. So tell me some pros and cons and anything I missed.

Quote:
So to break it down, you should try to decide to go AMD or Intel. Then from there you can pick your video card based on your motherboard being SLI or Crossfire. You may not even go either and have a single card then it would let you choose whatever brand video card you choose.


"AMD or Intel" meaning a choice between different processors, right? Well, the i7 is intel and so is the q9550, but I think we are pretty set that I need the i7 anyway. What does AMD have to offer that Intel doesn't?
August 21, 2009 8:08:05 PM

the cogage is a better cooler than the Xigmatek, and you could argue it's easier to install.

the bigger the monitor, the better when it comes to gaming.
August 21, 2009 8:11:43 PM

no budget means the very best which means i7 extreme edition and gtx 295 x3 in sli lololol
August 21, 2009 8:12:03 PM

and a projector for gaming

plus like a 500$ sound card
August 21, 2009 8:12:44 PM

thermaltake armor for case and evga any motherboard for ur mobo
August 21, 2009 8:33:46 PM

Well, I don't mean to be careless with your money but the intro to your post was no budget. I can appreciate and agree with being sensible on choices that make sense when it comes to cost/performance ratio and I can agree on that.

But it appears since you are trimming things such as the monitor for another much smaller and half the price indicates you want to stay on a budget.

So lets reel this thing in and make it easier for us to stop daydreaming on spending endless amounts of your money and give us a buget from top to bottom meaning monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers and everything for the core system itself.

1000.00?
1500.00?
2000.00?

Somewhere in the middle? We do need a dollar figure that I think you have now formed in your mind based on the feedback you have gotten from everyone's suggestions.

That's ok you have changed the budget parameters and its your money so you should have that choice.

So whats the budget?... ;) 
August 21, 2009 8:39:16 PM

Regarding my earlier hd statement, I had failed to see the HD that was included in the combo deal, that is the one i meant for 1 tb, sooooooo ignore that comment.

Also, you cannot have 295s in tiple sli.... plus he didn't say throw money away on this computer, he stated his uses for it and we gave replies accordingly, if money honestly wasn't an issue, I would say grab a nice runco projector, build yourself a entertainment room, with 7.1 surround so you can game + watch movies+ music.
August 21, 2009 8:53:43 PM

quad fire 4 4870x2s then
August 21, 2009 10:50:23 PM

At the high end, Intel outperforms AMD; I don't think anyone is questioning that. The least expensive option that will get the job done today, and provide an upgrade path tomorrow, is AMD. The video card(s) have the greatest influence on gaming performance, and those can be at essentially the same performance level with either processor.
If you pay a little more today, and get the Intel i7, you may not feel the desire any time soon to upgrade the processor; I can't be as certain of that with the 720BE, but probably would with the 955X4, even though the i7 performs a lot better. Maybe I'm being too frugal for you, but right now my primary is a Q9450, and particularly for gaming, I cannot imagine being able to justify going to i7. It would be a definite performance upgrade, but one I probably wouldn't notice in my apps and games.
The upgrade I definitely am planning though, when they become a lot less expensive, is a SSD. If you want to spend money and see an effect, you could always get one or two of those now.
August 22, 2009 4:37:59 AM

trepanation said:
Quote:
Why_me's build is good, only things I'd change are the cooler to a Cogage True spirit (you'll have to look around for one though) and the GPU to a 4890. then get a 5870 or two later.


OK, but why?

Quote:
His build is pretty solid, just pick up a Western Digital 1tb or 640 gig hard drive and you'll be good to go.


What's wrong with the HDD he suggested?

Quote:
I would heavily advise getting vista x64 and grabbing the version where you get the free upgrade to windows 7 if its still available. The reasons for using xp are quickly dwindling, and with the imminent release of what seems to be a very solid os, if you can get that free upgrade coupon, that would be the best.


All right. What is a good way to go about doing this? Is the OS package Why_me suggested going to allow me this option?

Quote:
Regarding the speaker + sound thing, only you can be the judge of this, just look in the yellow pages for a local audiophile quality store, and go in for a listen with your favorite cd, or they would have some demo one. I can pretty much guarantee that there will be a pretty drastic difference.


Well, I guess I won't worry about speakers too much right now. I can always add new ones later, and the ones I have seem to be doing very well. My friend is very, very observsant, so I might go shopping with him some day and find some speakers that suit my needs. He would certainly know a lot more about it than me, as he has been an audiophile since he was 16 years old. He's 30 now.

Quote:
You will get two case fans already installed in the top and rear of case, you will need to pick up 3 - 120mm fans, 2 in the front of the hard drive bays behind the front cover bezel and 1 in the door. I have two of these and would buy another if needed.


OK. I like how the price is better, and from what you are telling me it seems the case has better cooling than the one Why_me suggested. I really don't think sparkly things will be important for my case, since it will most likely be put into a slot below my desk and only used occasionally. Besides, if I wanted to decorate the thing, I would want to do it MYSELF, by painting it or adding some of my own lights to it. To me, buying a shiny case is no different than buying a pre-made computer. So, tell me anything I missed in my comparison.

Quote:
If you noticed, my monitor suggestion is a 28" and only 319.99 after a 20.00 rebate.


His is half that price and from what I am reading it has better video quality. I would like to see some more comparisons done between these two, however; if it is worth it then I will get the one Eng suggests, but if not than I'm gonna save 150 dollars and get Why_me's. So tell me some pros and cons and anything I missed.

Quote:
So to break it down, you should try to decide to go AMD or Intel. Then from there you can pick your video card based on your motherboard being SLI or Crossfire. You may not even go either and have a single card then it would let you choose whatever brand video card you choose.


"AMD or Intel" meaning a choice between different processors, right? Well, the i7 is intel and so is the q9550, but I think we are pretty set that I need the i7 anyway. What does AMD have to offer that Intel doesn't?


That poster didn't look at the build I put up on here. It includes Vista 64 with the free upgrade to Windows 7. I even put it in bold writing. It's a combo deal with the case. When you click on the "combo deal/case-OS, then click the Vista link...it shows you that it comes with a free upgrade option from MS. Same with the HD in that build. It's the same WD 1TB that he suggested. I posted it in the combo deal with the OCZ memory.

The Xigmatek HS in that build is a solid one, and the most recommended HS on this site. It does a great job for the money. Read the reviews on it. It's one of the higher rated HS's out there. If you were going for a 4.4GHz o/c...which I doubt you are, then I would go with a Prolimatech Megahalems HS which is by far the best out there on the market according to test/reviews.

As far as the AMD vs Intel i7 goes...don't be bull sh*tted on here. You have a wide open budget and the no brainer choice is obviously the i7. AMD and their upgrade path can stick it. All Iv'e heard for the last few years is the" AMD upgade path". Upgrade to what ? Another crappy cpu ? Forget it.
Do yourself a favor and get the best of the best while you can afford it. i7 920 ftw.

btw onboard sound these days is very good. I would hold off on getting a sound card until you check out the onboard sound of the mobo...which ever one you choose.
August 22, 2009 4:49:45 AM

@ Why_Me:

I differ in opinion about AMD being a crappy cpu. Intel was getting kicked around hard when AMD released the 1st dual core cpu and how long did it take for Intel to get onboard? They released the good ole stove top style pentium d. Intel didn't get in the game until the Core 2 Duo line in which has done well.

I'm no fan boy of either Intel or AMD and I have both in my home and do buy what makes sense for budget/performance so my intentions are not to turn this into a fanboy contest.

AMD makes good cpus. Intel is faster and has been for some time now but AMD is closer to leveling the playing field than they have in quite some time. But you have to set aside that not everyone is after the fastest cpu on the planet which is usually a short title to keep.

Yes the Phenom 1st gen chips were a disappointment but the Phenom II's are gaining ground. AMD has room for improvement and so far they are coming along not as fast as we would like but none the less they are doing better.

So to the OP, if you go AMD AM3 you wont be disappointed. If you go I7 you wont be disappointed either. It's a matter of preference at this point and I can assure you either choice will be night and day difference from your old system and I'm sure that's what you are looking for.

August 22, 2009 5:08:40 AM

englandr753 said:
@ Why_Me:

I differ in opinion about AMD being a crappy cpu. Intel was getting kicked around hard when AMD released the 1st dual core cpu and how long did it take for Intel to get onboard? They released the good ole stove top style pentium d. Intel didn't get in the game until the Core 2 Duo line in which has done well.

I'm no fan boy of either Intel or AMD and I have both in my home and do buy what makes sense for budget/performance so my intentions are not to turn this into a fanboy contest.

AMD makes good cpus. Intel is faster and has been for some time now but AMD is closer to leveling the playing field than they have in quite some time. But you have to set aside that not everyone is after the fastest cpu on the planet which is usually a short title to keep.

Yes the Phenom 1st gen chips were a disappointment but the Phenom II's are gaining ground. AMD has room for improvement and so far they are coming along not as fast as we would like but none the less they are doing better.

So to the OP, if you go AMD AM3 you wont be disappointed. If you go I7 you wont be disappointed either. It's a matter of preference at this point and I can assure you either choice will be night and day difference from your old system and I'm sure that's what you are looking for.

I used AMD for years. Late '90's up to 2006 when Intel came out with the core2duo. I go with what's best atm.

Here's a taste of AMD vs the i7. And notice that the i7 in those test alway had the crappier vid card set up. The i7 is so far ahead of any AMD out there it's not even close.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-965,2389.... <--- i7 stomps the AMD

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,23... <--- i7 stomps the AMD

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-955,2278.... <--- i7 stomps the AMD
August 22, 2009 9:04:28 AM

^ if they used the 9.8 drivers then they would be neck and neck.
August 22, 2009 12:29:53 PM

I've re-read this thread a couple more times.
There's "best," and there's "good enough." The former is i7. The latter may be just about anything. Don't be bull sh*tted on here. Coming from a 5-yr old Dell, even a low-end AMD build such as the one put up by IH8U would be an improvement. Budget or no budget, "spending" is one thing, "wasting" is another.
I have returned, however, to the OP's very first sentence, in which he uses the term "dream PC." I think today that means Intel. When the Dell was new five years ago it didn't, but today it does. Even saying later that he doesn't need the best, and that second-tier would be good enough, I'm not sure that changes. Only the OP can tell us. It seems to me that people who have no budget did not get there by having no budget. Coming from a 5-yr old Dell, I am confident that the OP's performance requirements could be met by a <$500 rig (plus monitor and OS), but that wouldn't be the "dream PC."
August 22, 2009 12:44:31 PM

Again @ Why_Me:

So what you are saying is Core 2 cpu's and AMD's AM3 cpu's are crap? Very interesting.

I couldn't be more satisfied with either of my setups, Q9550 @ 3.6 and AMD 940 @ 3.6. Both run smooth as butter and do anything I care to do just fine.

As I said before, I'm in agreement the I7 is faster but not in every situation and if he sat down at 3 computers, one with the Q9550, AMD 965 BE and the I7 920 and he didn't know which was which I doubt that he could point out which was the fastest not using benchmarking programs but doing everyday tasks and even gaming. A few things may be noticeable to a degree but it wont leave him thinking that two of those systems are crap and only one of them were usable.

So please, enough with the AMD and Core 2's being crap, as they are basically neck and neck in most cases.

If you made yourself more credible with saying that the I7 is noticeably faster in some cases without trying to make AMD sound like it has nothing to offer then I could better agree with you.

As I said to the OP, its your choice and your money. I would lean toward I7 but if you did decide to go AMD you will be a very happy camper. Pick your flavor and move on. It wont be the end of the world either way...
August 22, 2009 12:46:33 PM

Onus said:
I've re-read this thread a couple more times.
There's "best," and there's "good enough." The former is i7. The latter may be just about anything. Don't be bull sh*tted on here. Coming from a 5-yr old Dell, even a low-end AMD build such as the one put up by IH8U would be an improvement. Budget or no budget, "spending" is one thing, "wasting" is another.
I have returned, however, to the OP's very first sentence, in which he uses the term "dream PC." I think today that means Intel. When the Dell was new five years ago it didn't, but today it does. Even saying later that he doesn't need the best, and that second-tier would be good enough, I'm not sure that changes. Only the OP can tell us. It seems to me that people who have no budget did not get there by having no budget. Coming from a 5-yr old Dell, I am confident that the OP's performance requirements could be met by a <$500 rig (plus monitor and OS), but that wouldn't be the "dream PC."



You and I are on the same page...
August 22, 2009 12:47:16 PM

^+1. Very well said (the first of the two).

Edit: Yes, it looks like we are.
August 22, 2009 7:13:15 PM

Quote:
Well, I don't mean to be careless with your money but the intro to your post was no budget. I can appreciate and agree with being sensible on choices that make sense when it comes to cost/performance ratio and I can agree on that.

But it appears since you are trimming things such as the monitor for another much smaller and half the price indicates you want to stay on a budget.


There is no budget. I'm weighing things as I see them and deciding if they are worth it; a budget would be to completely shut off all options past a certain point, whether or not they are worth the money. I have enough money saved up to buy a 2000 dollar pc or more, simply because I don't spend money on anything else.

I can sympathize with your frustration, but you are splitting hairs here. The difference between a 350 dollar speaker system and a 50 dollar speaker system is 300 dollars, and I doubt that whatever increase in performance it could possibly have would be worth all of that.

-

As regards the question of AMD versus Intel goes... if the difference in price of the processors wasn't so small (according to me), then I might consider AMD. But if I can get a really nice CPU (i7) for a couple hundred bucks more (and probably not even that much) than an average CPU (amd), then I'm going to go ahead and plunk down a couple hundred bucks and get my i7 920. Why_me has me pretty much sold on that.

Anyway guys, unless you have some new arguments to make to convince me to get something else, then I'd like to see some more suggestions and critique for the rest of my build. Let's start with what Why_me suggested...

Quote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] 11-119-197 Combo Discount: -$15.00 Combo Price: $194.98
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM | Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

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XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

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Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drives - OEM

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SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner - OEM

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ALTEC LANSING VS2521 28 Watts 2.1 Speaker System - Retail


Give me any thoughts you have on any part of this build, and tell me what you think would be better, and why.

Thanks again.
August 22, 2009 7:39:22 PM

If you do not intend to overclock this system, you will not need the Xigmatek cooler and the TX-2 thermal paste. Anything else is niggling, and a matter of personal preference. If you want more gadgets, consider a front panel memory card reader. Your music collection may already be safe on multiple media, but if not you might want to look into a nice sized external USB or eSATA drive for backups.
Some people like to put their computers on a UPS; a 750VA-900VA model would be a nice size for this system, including a monitor. I usually buy APC, but would consider Tripp Lite, and would avoid Belkin (anything).
Do you need a wireless card, or another ethernet cable?
August 22, 2009 7:48:01 PM

^ Then again the cooler and the paste cost 50 dollars together, and having the ability to overclock for just 50 dollars seems like a sweet deal to me. I will have to read more about it to make sure I do it right, of course.
August 22, 2009 11:29:30 PM

Wouldn't bother with those. Not really any different then what you already have.
August 23, 2009 11:00:42 AM

Personally I would drop the Gigabyte motherboard and go with EVGA. After dealing with Gigabytes customer service there's no comparison. With Gigabyte I had to send an email requesting my issue to be read. It took 3 days to get a reply email to basically tell me what I already knew and that was to RMA the motherboard. At this point I was already 1/2 a week down with my system and now its going to take 2-3 weeks with no cross shipment options. With EVGA, I can call them and get them within minutes and get help on any issues. RMA's, depending on your location are about 1 and 1/2 weeks out and when you register your product on their website (within 30 days of purchase) gives you the option to pay for the service to cross ship, otherwise its a standard RMA process.

I would go with this board:

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=132-BL-E75...

I chose this one over the 239.99 option due to the 8 phase power vs the 6 phase power design as this will give you more stable overclocking results.

I have been using Gigabyte for a while and they are a great product but my only real reason for not going Gigabyte is the warranty and RMA turnaround time. It will be nearly a month before I get my system back up again. Luckily this isn't my main system.

If you want to go cheaper you can go with this board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for going I7 or AMD I don't disagree with going the I7 route based on the price. It offers an edge in performance right now over the AMD offerings and makes sense to get it. I'm only rectifying Why_Me's comment on saying AMD processors are crap, which is a very false statement. AMD will make a processor that will overtake the I7 920 but it's not available now and you are buying now, so get the I7 if you don't want to mess with upgrading later.

As for the speakers, you simply need to go with your friend to a shop that has a display and see the differences for yourself. Not much way around that as you will get 101 different opinions on what is good enough for you and only you know what that really is once you actually hear it...

August 23, 2009 12:05:32 PM

englandr753 said:
As for going I7 or AMD I don't disagree with going the I7 route based on the price. It offers an edge in performance right now over the AMD offerings and makes sense to get it. I'm only rectifying Why_Me's comment on saying AMD processors are crap, which is a very false statement. AMD will make a processor that will overtake the I7 920 but it's not available now and you are buying now, so get the I7 if you don't want to mess with upgrading later.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <--- AMD's flagship cpu. It's $35 cheaper than the i7 920. Crank up that 965 to 3.8GHz and the i7 at stock speed still eats it up and spits it out. Now crank up the i7 to 3.8GHz and it gets even worse for the AMD. Now take a D0 stepping i7 920, stick a $36 Scythe Mugen II on it and crank it up to 4.4GHz and what do you have? A bloody world beater. Now where is the link to that AMD you mentioned that's going to over take the i7 ? I would like to see a link to that please.

If you go through the cpu charts on here for the last 3+ years, the core2duo, and then the core 2 quad, and now the i7 has ruled the roost by leaps and bounds. So what has AMD offered for an upgrade in those 3 years? upgrade path. Iv'e read that so many times now on this board and for so long that it hurts the eyes.

Here's a build that includes dual gtx 260's in SLI that I would put up against any AMD build any day of the week. In fact Toms did a review with the AMD 955 o/c with dual 4890's Crossfired vs a stock i7 build that included gtx 260's in SLI...and guess what ? The i7 build walked all over that o/c 955 build.

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Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail

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SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner - OEM

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August 23, 2009 7:26:14 PM

Thanks again Why_me. What changed from the previous build, and why?

And does no one have any objections to Why_me's build? I've asked other places and everyone but the fanboys agree that this is the best build for me. So if no one else objects that will be what I buy.

I want to make sure everyone has had their say.

-

As far as the monitor goes, I think what I'm going to do is buy an LCD flatscreen (27-32" cost between 300-500 dollars), and hook that up to all my equipment in my computer and gaming room. I will be making a new thread regarding this, but between then and there, does anyone have any input/objections?
August 23, 2009 7:31:48 PM

trepanation said:
Thanks again Why_me. What changed from the previous build, and why?

And does no one have any objections to Why_me's build? I've asked other places and everyone but the fanboys agree that this is the best build for me. So if no one else objects that will be what I buy.

I want to make sure everyone has had their say.

-

As far as the monitor goes, I think what I'm going to do is buy an LCD flatscreen (27-32" cost between 300-500 dollars), and hook that up to all my equipment in my computer and gaming room. I will be making a new thread regarding this, but between then and there, does anyone have any input/objections?


Both builds are decent...I just posted that last one to prove a point about quality i7 builds and price.. :kaola: 

Whatever you go with...I would go with the UD4P board or Asus pt6. The UD4P / asus pt6 have have more room in between PCI-E slots for dual vid cards then the UD3P board , not to mention a few other goodies that come in handy like being able to add more memory to them later on. They are worth the few extra bucks.
August 23, 2009 7:38:08 PM

I think your objective requirements could have been met by any number of builds, which is why you got so many suggestions. Subjectively, however, based on your desire for a "dream" system, the i7 was the only way to do it. Review the specs on the mobo Why_Me has recommended, and if everything you want is there (e.g. number and type of connectors), you should be good.
August 24, 2009 11:28:50 AM

Why_me,

Please, I have agreed over and over again the I7 is faster. Do you really think the I7 is faster than any am3 WILL BE? Obviously the AM3 I speak of hasn't been made yet but I think everyone can agree that it will be.

!