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jaydeejohn   09-12-2009 at 04:33:31 PM

I guess if you can limit AA, DX models, change the names of the same card 4 times while upping the price, you can make these claims as well
"Without dispute, AMD will be the graphics leader in the world," said Rick Bergman, who heads AMD's products group.
Nvidia officials disputed the claim. Drew Henry, the general manager of its graphics chip operations, said the company's current chips -- because they have special circuitry that accelerates physical actions in games -- are still faster than AMD's. He said Nvidia is also planning a next generation of chips with even greater performance, but didn't say when they will be released.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12 [...] lenews_wsj

So there you have it folks, physx is just plain ol better heheh [:jaydeejohn:4]

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Strangestranger   09-12-2009 at 04:37:34 PM

What special circuitry is this that he is speaking of and why hasn't it affect games yet?

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jaydeejohn   09-12-2009 at 04:57:08 PM

Its like a secret recipe, its in there, just dont ask lol

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jennyh   09-12-2009 at 05:43:28 PM

From the screens and the crysis bench we've seen, the 5870 is 20-30% faster than the gtx295 at the very least.

The 5870 X2 must be truly mind boggling and the G300 will be nowhere near it.

AMD are a mile ahead and they know it.

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Dekasav   09-12-2009 at 06:09:49 PM

I think he's talking about CUDA physx. If you ran those physx on the same thread as you did everything else, it would bog a processor down so far that the Nvidia GPU would obviously go faster.

That's the only straw I could dream of.

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Strangestranger   09-12-2009 at 06:14:56 PM

jennyh wrote :

From the screens and the crysis bench we've seen, the 5870 is 20-30% faster than the gtx295 at the very least.

The 5870 X2 must be truly mind boggling and the G300 will be nowhere near it.

AMD are a mile ahead and they know it.



You have to be trolling.

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jennyh   09-12-2009 at 06:17:22 PM

Strangestranger wrote :

You have to be trolling.

 

How do you figure that out? Have you been hiding under a rock the past few days?

 

6 screens on ONE 5870. The overclocked 5870 scored 30%+ more fps compared to the gtx295 in the only bench we've seen so far.

 

What makes you believe that it's not a far more powerful card exactly?

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zipzoomflyhigh   09-12-2009 at 06:19:46 PM

Its true stranger. Miles ahead of Nvidia in die size. Miles ahead of Nvidia in DX11. Miles ahead of Nvidia in power consumption. Soon to be miles ahead in performance too and G300 is gonna need its own power supply. lol.

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Strangestranger   09-12-2009 at 06:21:27 PM

Your comments are usually so over the top and unnecessary that I see no need for them.

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jennyh   09-12-2009 at 06:23:44 PM

Strangestranger wrote :

Your comments are usually so over the top and unnecessary that I see no need for them.

 

As opposed to yours, which has been all doom and gloom and downplaying from the start. What was it last time stranger, nobody cared about dx11 so nobody would buy these cards anyway?

 

What are you saying now? That AMD have faked the 6 screen stuff, that Cryengine 3 isn't running at ~50fps on 3 screens?


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Shadow703793   09-12-2009 at 06:33:35 PM

Meh. I'll wait before commenting on whatever nVidia has up their sleeve. With the 4xxx ATI got on the right place, but with the 2xxx/3xxx ATI failed. And with the GT300 looks like nVidia may fail.

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Strangestranger   09-12-2009 at 06:41:01 PM

I'll wait till cold hard facts are available.

Being excited is one thing, you just seem to be going overboard for no reason.

Speculation is fun at all but is essentially pissing in the wind and I ain't a fan of too many golden showers. Once in a while is fine but continually getting drenched is no fun.

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jennyh   09-12-2009 at 06:51:35 PM

Before last week started I had no intention, no inclination to be using multiple screens for anything.

There is a good reason to be excited about this. It's game changing stuff stranger and we can see with our own eyes how great it's gonna be. I'd hardly say it is going overboard for no reason.

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invisik   09-12-2009 at 06:57:24 PM

gtx 285 = 5850
gtx 295 = 5870
gtx 3xx < 5870x2 (20% difference)

Just my opinion.

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rescawen   09-12-2009 at 07:03:00 PM

ur prob right, but ati cards have twice less power consumption and after 1 year of electricity bills u will see the difference :D

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angry_ducky   09-12-2009 at 07:36:55 PM

jennyh wrote :

Before last week started I had no intention, no inclination to be using multiple screens for anything.

There is a good reason to be excited about this. It's game changing stuff stranger and we can see with our own eyes how great it's gonna be. I'd hardly say it is going overboard for no reason.



I'm also very excited about the new ATI cards. Personally, I think multiple monitors are great. The extra screen space is nice for browsing the web and office applications, and it's a godsend for things such as video and photo editing, where you want as much resolution as possible.

Portal is simply unbelievable on two monitors, and even my computer with a lowly Athlon 64 and Radeon HD2600 can run it on high at 2560 x 1024 (two 19" monitors, when set as one screen). I haven't had time for any other games at that resolution, as I need to steal borrow the second 19" screen from our family computer, but I'm guessing that other Source engine games would run just as well. I've been wanting a second monitor for my computer, but I don't have enough space on my desk.

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cjl   09-13-2009 at 12:18:58 AM

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

Its true stranger. Miles ahead of Nvidia in die size. Miles ahead of Nvidia in DX11. Miles ahead of Nvidia in power consumption. Soon to be miles ahead in performance too and G300 is gonna need its own power supply. lol.


If you look at the reviews, the 285 beats the 4890 in idle power consumption, and it isn't far off on load power IIRC. I agree that they win the others, but in power consumption, it's surprisingly close.

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moricon   09-13-2009 at 12:37:11 AM

I simply just cant wait, I love the back and forth fight between ATI and Nvidia, the only winners are us the consumer :)

It seems to me that we could be standing at the edge of a massive jump in power of the GPU's in our PC's, one that to me, will be the greatest jump ahead we have seen yet, especially if Nvidias 3xx follow the suit and are 20-30% faster than ATI( Although I will stick to ATI if they continue on the price/performance )

Good times ahead for sure :)

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jaydeejohn   09-13-2009 at 12:46:38 AM

According to rumor, the 5870 will use no more power than the 4890, and less than half at idle.
I think the 5770 will be equal or slightly better than then 285, a card thatll sell for 150-175$

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darkvine   09-13-2009 at 12:54:39 AM

jennyh wrote :

How do you figure that out? Have you been hiding under a rock the past few days?

6 screens on ONE 5870. The overclocked 5870 scored 30%+ more fps compared to the gtx295 in the only bench we've seen so far.

What makes you believe that it's not a far more powerful card exactly?



Yes, it did very well, well more then I think anyone thought it would. But the fact remains that we have no idea, whatsoever the specs or power of the GTX300s will be. As it stands ATi looks like the clear winner, but that is simply because the only thing you have to compare it to is the 295, which beat the 4870x2. So if Nvidia makes the same leap, or even close to it, they will still come out more powerful.


I am a huge fan of both companies, though I lean to ATi as of late, but all your comments just come off as pure fanboy-ish "there's not way".

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mindless728   09-13-2009 at 01:02:05 AM

darkvine wrote :

Yes, it did very well, well more then I think anyone thought it would. But the fact remains that we have no idea, whatsoever the specs or power of the GTX300s will be. As it stands ATi looks like the clear winner, but that is simply because the only thing you have to compare it to is the 295, which beat the 4870x2. So if Nvidia makes the same leap, or even close to it, they will still come out more powerful.


I am a huge fan of both companies, though I lean to ATi as of late, but all your comments just come off as pure fanboy-ish "there's not way".



i am a huge fan of the competition, great for consumers

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cjl   09-13-2009 at 01:05:46 AM

jaydeejohn wrote :

According to rumor, the 5870 will use no more power than the 4890, and less than half at idle.
I think the 5770 will be equal or slightly better than then 285, a card thatll sell for 150-175$


If true, that would be excellent news, as the ATI high end 4000 series cards are absolutely destroyed by the GTX 200 series in idle power. My one complaint about my 4870x2s is that my system now idles at >300W, which is rather insane IMHO.

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jaydeejohn   09-13-2009 at 01:13:27 AM

When the 4770s first came out, there were tons of discrepency on power usage on the reviews, most showed a high number, while a few showed low numbers, like TPU for one.
W1zzard at TPU redid everything, as well a few other testers, like HWCanucks, and they were differing alot, and it was found that the 40nm process wasnt mature enough, but TPUs numbers were incredible, so they got a good one.
It seems the process is even more mature now, and these power numbers are looking good.
Theyve also learned alot from the 4890 process as well, and how to lower the clocks on the GDDR5, and the MC itself is said to have lower power draw itself

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soldier37   09-13-2009 at 01:30:37 AM

I'll order my 5870 1gb on the 25th upgrading from my 4870 1gb, looking forward to playing with it in a couple weeks, next gen graphics bring it!

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tkgclimb   09-13-2009 at 02:48:13 AM

I think amd might hold the performance and value awards for a while.

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