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October 25, 2011 9:18:56 PM

Hi i am running a AMD phenom x6 1090t Black
I am looking for a very good heatsink or a cheap water cooling setup i have no clue what i am actualy looking for thats why i am asking you ty

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a c 241 K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 4:26:12 AM

very good and cheap is Hyper 212 + more bette is silver arrow / NoctuaNHD14 and good water cooler is H100 but not cheap. if you get cheap water cooler it's maybe leaked
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October 26, 2011 12:32:00 PM

Go with the H100. Liquid cooling without the hastle and maintence of a true liquid cooling system loop. Properly installed and configured it will cool far better than most of the air cooling heatsinks available, if not all of them. Not knocking a true liquid cooling loop at all either, they will cool better. But are far more complicated to install, require frequent maintence and are far more expensive to install and own over its lifetime.

If air seems like the direction you want, the 2 coolers heaydiah mentioned are both great air heatsinks. When I in the planning stages of my current system, I was going to get the Noctua myself. But that was before the H100 was available. After seeing my temps while running Real Temp and torture tests on my pc, Im realy pleased that I spent the extra money on the H100.
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October 26, 2011 2:29:40 PM

i dont know the price of h100 , and for moderate jobs , hyper212+ will be ok and it aint costly at all .
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October 26, 2011 9:28:33 PM

epidot said:
Go with the H100. Liquid cooling without the hastle and maintence of a true liquid cooling system loop. Properly installed and configured it will cool far better than most of the air cooling heatsinks available, if not all of them. Not knocking a true liquid cooling loop at all either, they will cool better. But are far more complicated to install, require frequent maintence and are far more expensive to install and own over its lifetime.

If air seems like the direction you want, the 2 coolers heaydiah mentioned are both great air heatsinks. When I in the planning stages of my current system, I was going to get the Noctua myself. But that was before the H100 was available. After seeing my temps while running Real Temp and torture tests on my pc, Im realy pleased that I spent the extra money on the H100.


thats what i was looking at do you have it can u give me ur specs on it? as in temps at whatever ur clocks are at.
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a b K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 10:13:26 PM

The link below will show you the popular HSFs and a few H2O coolers. I do not recommend the closed loop H2O coolers as they are inefficient, a poor value IMO and when they leak they can damage other PC hardware.

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#AMDHEATSINK
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a c 148 K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 10:29:52 PM

$30 - Hyper 212+
$50 - Scythe Mugen 2 (extra $20 gets you about 5 - 7C over the 212+)
$80 - Thermaltake Silver Arrow (extra $30 gets you about 7 - 10C over the 212+)

When you look at sites which list records and comparative testing information, make sure that you are using the same socket type. Different sockets will have different CPU's with completely different heat signatures and this information id not transferable to other socket types.

Looking at Frostytech for example, if you have these, you have found agreat site to mine data on:

http://www.frostytech.com/testmethod_mk2.cfm

Mk.II Synthetic Thermal Test Platform - AMD K8 Version
Mk.II Synthetic Thermal Test Platform - Intel LGA775 Version

But as you can see by comparing results on other sites, a unit that does well on LGA 775 might do much less so on 1366/1155 and visa versa.
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a b K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 10:35:39 PM

Man they need to update that Top 10, most of those HSF are no longer even in production.

High OC ~4.0GHz+
HSF - Thermaltake Frio

Otherwise the Corsair H100 is nice, especially with (4) fans in push/pull.

IMO the Noctua NH-D14 is a Lawnmower Engine. If you going to OC both the CPU and GPU(s) then for ~$550 you can Koolance both the CPU and a GPU ($130 per additional GPU). It is about Noise as much as it is about Cooling/OC'ing.
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a b K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 10:56:13 PM

jaquith said:
Man they need to update that Top 10, most of those HSF are no longer even in production.

High OC ~4.0GHz+
HSF - Thermaltake Frio

Otherwise the Corsair H100 is nice, especially with (4) fans in push/pull.

IMO the Noctua NH-D14 is a Lawnmower Engine. If you going to OC both the CPU and GPU(s) then for ~$550 you can Koolance both the CPU and a GPU ($130 per additional GPU). It is about Noise as much as it is about Cooling/OC'ing.


Until better HSFs come along those will still be "the best".

The Xigmatek Aegir 128264 rated as #2, seems to be a quality new tech design that does very well with a single fan. You could add a second fan if desired. It's also an excellent value at $70 including the fan.

An H100 with FOUR fans? You're kidding, right? Do more fans stop the leaks? ;) 
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a b K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 11:02:39 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
$30 - Hyper 212+
$50 - Scythe Mugen 2 (extra $20 gets you about 5 - 7C over the 212+)
$80 - Thermaltake Silver Arrow (extra $30 gets you about 7 - 10C over the 212+)

When you look at sites which list records and comparative testing information, make sure that you are using the same socket type. Different sockets will have different CPU's with completely different heat signatures and this information id not transferable to other socket types.

Looking at Frostytech for example, if you have these, you have found agreat site to mine data on:

http://www.frostytech.com/testmethod_mk2.cfm

Mk.II Synthetic Thermal Test Platform - AMD K8 Version
Mk.II Synthetic Thermal Test Platform - Intel LGA775 Version

But as you can see by comparing results on other sites, a unit that does well on LGA 775 might do much less so on 1366/1155 and visa versa.



Jack the heat signature isn't the issue, as all modern CPUs have heat spreaders. Frosty Tech lists data for both AMD and Intel CPUs, which other sites do not. I always link the appropriate data when somone specifies what brand of CPU they are using.

The issue is that AMD uses a larger heat spreader than Intel. The data at Frosty Tech is good because it's an accurately controlled experiment unlike other websites where there are many uncontrolled variables.
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a b K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 11:50:37 PM

beenthere said:
Until better HSFs come along those will still be "the best".

The Xigmatek Aegir 128264 rated as #2, seems to be a quality new tech design that does very well with a single fan. You could add a second fan if desired. It's also an excellent value at $70 including the fan.

An H100 with FOUR fans? You're kidding, right? Do more fans stop the leaks? ;) 

Huh?! The "Xigmatek Aegir SD128264" is rated on your own chart #8, the Noctua NH-D14 #4 and the Thermaltake Frio #5.

The only closed pseudo all-in-one water cooling that had any problems were the OLD Aluminum blocks used on Alienware (Dell) galvanic reactions. The Corsair H100 is 100% copper, and 4 fans cool better - thermal dynamics.
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a b K Overclocking
October 26, 2011 11:54:44 PM

You're looking at the wrong data. ;)  For AMD CPUs the Xigmatek Aegir is #2. For Intel CPUs the Xigmatek Aegir is #8. The OP has an AMD CPU. The difference in performance is because of the heat spreader size with AMD being larger than Intel.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=257...

Unfortunately Corsair and Antec have both had issues with leaks in their closed loop H2O coolers. See the Corsair forums for tales of woe... People are free to use whatever makes them happy. I just think people should know the liabilities with these H2O coolers and the fact they are not much better than the better air-cooled HSFs yet they are more expensive and can destroy a PC when they leak. To each his own poison.
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 1:05:13 AM

$67 XIGMATEK Aegir SD128264
$58 Thermaltake Frio

$9 for 0.1C are you kidding!
Xigmatek SD128264 Aegir high 11.0
Thermaltake Frio high 11.1
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October 27, 2011 3:21:52 AM

See now i am horribly confused lol So your saying thermaltake frio? and i thought on liquid coolers now they use a less conductive liquid which will for the most part stop and damages as long as you catch it quick. And so what is the fuinal conclusion on this as to what i shall get?
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 3:43:50 AM

jaquith said:
$67 XIGMATEK Aegir SD128264
$58 Thermaltake Frio

$9 for 0.1C are you kidding!
Xigmatek SD128264 Aegir high 11.0
Thermaltake Frio high 11.1



Did you look at how noisy the Frio fan is? 62.6 dBA vs. 49.1 for the Xigmatek Aegir... BIG diff in noise level. The DETAILS matter. With a second fan the Xigmatek Aegir would still be quieter and probably another 1-2C cooler. New tech sometimes just works better. ;)  Either one would be a better choice than the H100 IMHO.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=257...
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October 27, 2011 3:52:37 AM

Just get the Hyper 212+, I went overkill on mine and put 2 140mm in push/pull. It keeps my 720BE @ 24celcius 3.6GHz normal use, and shoots all the way up to 35 on prime95. I stopped pushing voltage looong before temp became an issue.

My system runs 24/7 the hyper212+ let me hit 3.8 but the voltage was too high for me, temps were pretty much the same though. AND I am using a OLD steel P4 case with horrible airflow (had to chop some holes) ..

Hyper212+ gives the most for your money.

But if you go Watercooled, you can get non conductive coolant if you make your own loop or buy a kit like the http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12222/ex-wat-162/XSPC...
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 3:53:07 AM

dayto11 said:
See now i am horribly confused lol So your saying thermaltake frio? and i thought on liquid coolers now they use a less conductive liquid which will for the most part stop and damages as long as you catch it quick. And so what is the fuinal conclusion on this as to what i shall get?


Unfortunately water will short out electrical circuits and can destroy your PC hardware. You aren't likely to even know you have a leak until the damage is done. That's why I don't recommend H2O coolers.
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 3:55:03 AM

funguseater said:
Just get the Hyper 212+, I went overkill on mine and put 2 140mm in push/pull. It keeps my 720BE @ 24celcius 3.6GHz normal use, and shoots all the way up to 35 on prime95. I stopped pushing voltage looong before temp became an issue.

My system runs 24/7 the hyper212+ let me hit 3.8 but the voltage was too high for me, temps were pretty much the same though. AND I am using a OLD steel P4 case with horrible airflow (had to chop some holes) ..

Hyper212+ gives the most for your money.



The Hyper 212+ is a good moderate sized HSF at a steal of a price. It does have it's thermal limitations however so it's best to size the HSF for the thermal load, ambient temps, etc.
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 3:55:24 AM

I'm more worried about a plane falling on my house than a Corsair H100 leaking.

@beenthere - don't have either of the fans running High unless you're deaf. I cannot stand anything > 35 dBA. When I first opened the page some Ad crap popped over the Noise level column. 49.1 is also too damn loud!

Thermaltake Frio low 14.8C delta-T 37.7 dBA :) 
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 4:00:13 AM

The Frosty Tech data is controlled scientific testing which shows how the fans run under maximum thermal load. Just because you are more worried about planes falling on your head than the H100 leaking, doesn't mean it won't leak. You just like H2O cooling. I don't care what the OP buys as long as he knows the real life liabilities associated with H2O cooling. That's why he should read the Corsair forums before he spends his money. Knowledge is power.
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 5:02:35 AM

Pseudo liquid cooled ($80~$120):
Pros - better cooling liquid is denser than air, higher OC at lower vCore improved delta-T, easier to clean and less dust, sealed.
Cons - expense, snowballs chance in hell leak.

Finned cooled ($30~$90):
Pros - expense, reasonable OC.
Cons - lesser OC, dirt magnet, difficult to clean, additional weight on MOBO.

Real liquid cooled ($250~$700+):
Pros - better cooling liquid is denser than air, extreme OC at lower vCore improved delta-T, less dust, very low noise to all cooled components, increased component life clock-to-clock, except draining/flushing low maintenance overall.
Cons - very expensive ($550~$700), draining/flushing every 2 years ($25), low chance of leaks.

Listen once I went to liquid cooling I've been exceedingly happy particularly from low noise and a cleaner system. I'd never go back. The Corsair's I have are as easy as a few screws and 10 seconds of a vacuum. The old systems I had were dirt balls and thoroughly cleaning some big HSF 3-4 times a year was worst than draining my Koolance rig.
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October 27, 2011 9:24:31 PM

jaquith said:
Pseudo liquid cooled ($80~$120):
Pros - better cooling liquid is denser than air, higher OC at lower vCore improved delta-T, easier to clean and less dust, sealed.
Cons - expense, snowballs chance in hell leak.

Finned cooled ($30~$90):
Pros - expense, reasonable OC.
Cons - lesser OC, dirt magnet, difficult to clean, additional weight on MOBO.

Real liquid cooled ($250~$700+):
Pros - better cooling liquid is denser than air, extreme OC at lower vCore improved delta-T, less dust, very low noise to all cooled components, increased component life clock-to-clock, except draining/flushing low maintenance overall.
Cons - very expensive ($550~$700), draining/flushing every 2 years ($25), low chance of leaks.

Listen once I went to liquid cooling I've been exceedingly happy particularly from low noise and a cleaner system. I'd never go back. The Corsair's I have are as easy as a few screws and 10 seconds of a vacuum. The old systems I had were dirt balls and thoroughly cleaning some big HSF 3-4 times a year was worst than draining my Koolance rig.


What kind of liquid cooling are you currently using? link?
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 10:25:17 PM

Component Koolance http://www.koolance.com/default.php

Here's an example of a basic single loop:

Type Price Description Link
RES/Pump 130 Reservoir and Pump, RP-980BK, Black [no nozzles] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Nozzle 9 Nozzle Pair, Compression [For ID: 10mm (3/8in), OD: 13mm (1/2in)] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
RAD 3x120 56 Radiator, 3x120mm 20-FPI Copper [no nozzles] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Nozzle 9 Nozzle Pair, Compression [For ID: 10mm (3/8in), OD: 13mm (1/2in)] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Coolant 20 Liquid Coolant Bottle, Low-Conductivity, 700mL (Colorless) http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Fan 3x120 51 AeroCool Shark 120mm Blue Edition 120mm Blue LED Case Fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Splitter 4 4-Fan Wiring Harness, 3-Pin http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
CPU Block 85 CPU-370 (CPU), 1.5mm Midplate [no nozzles] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Nozzle 9 Nozzle Pair, Compression [For ID: 10mm (3/8in), OD: 13mm (1/2in)] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
GPU Block 120 VID-NX580 (GeForce GTX 580/570) [no nozzles] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Nozzle 9 Nozzle Pair, Compression [For ID: 10mm (3/8in), OD: 13mm (1/2in)] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Tubing 14 (10') Tubing, Blue UV-Reactive PVC, [ID: 10mm (3/8in); OD: 13mm (1/2in)] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...

Total 516

Optional
Tube Wire 7.5 (3) Tubing Spring Wrap, Steel Blue [For OD: 13mm (1/2in)] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
Nozzle 90 15 Nozzle Pair, Swivel Angled [For ID: 10mm (3/8in), OD: 13mm (1/2in)] http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...

Options 22.5

Coolant 15 Liquid Coolant Bottle, High-Performance, 700mL (Colorless) http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?...
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October 27, 2011 11:49:21 PM

unless you're going to be using a VERY hard O.C I'd say go for the hyper212+ and 2 sickle flow fans.

It's my config and I'm getting some good numbers on my rig.
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a b K Overclocking
October 27, 2011 11:56:19 PM

That was an excellent explanation of the CM Hyper 212+ and EVO. Wish he would have used another minute to explain heat sink compound application.
If you are a beginning 'clocker' try a CM 212 so at least you have a base line.
It's a 'damned fine heatsink' IMHO.
NO. I'm not paid or a shill.
If I didn't own it. I wouldn't tout it!
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