Water cooled to be Silent/safe? Really?

Hey guys,

Let me start off with some basic parts for my new build in November.

CPU: Sandy Bridge E 3930k
Mobo: gigabyte x79 UD5

one regular SATA 2 1tb internal drive, and 2 ssd crucials 250gb x2

Graphics: SPARKLE Calibre Series X560 DF GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0

PSU: Fatality professional series.

My friend won't stress enough that to get this processor to 4.5gz, quietly and efficiently, I should be looking at these parts:

block

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7357/ex-blc-477/EK_Supreme_HF_Universal_CPU_Liquid_Cooling_Block_w_Easy_Mount_Kit_-_Rev_2_-_Plexi_-_Sockets_77511561366939940754AM2AM2AM3.html?tl=g30c325s839

res

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9575/ex-res-156/Bitspower_Water_Tank_Z-Multi_150_Inline_Reservoir_BP-WTZM150P-BK.html?tl=g30c97s165

rad

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/4041/ex-rad-83/Black_Ice_GT_Stealth_240_Radiator_-_Blue.html?tl=g30c95s160

pump

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5125/ex-pmp-47/Swiftech_MCP355_12v_Water_Pump_Native_38_120_GPH.html?tl=g30c107s153

It's about $300 set up, and is a bit pricey considering the expensive processor and mobo alone.

This set up is for Audio so silence would be great, but I'm wondering if I can have a air cooled system almost as quiet.

A tech also mentioned these set upts, but they look a bit sketchy:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1292/1/


Thanks!
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  1. Eh, avoid the LCS coolers like that CoolIt. You are better off with a high end air cooler for less money.

    Just go this route and call it a day: XSPC Rasa RS and RX kits

    Your URLs weren't working, so wasn't sure what you had listed for the individual components. Depending on what you want to do, the future planning of the loop and your budget ($300 is a pretty solid start, depending on parts) you have some options.

    Have you read through the WC sticky? I have it linked in my signature below.
  2. You need good airflow to cool a radiator and that means high fan speed/noise or multiple fans to move enough air for the radiator to work. Rubix likes H2O cooling but I don't recommend the closed loop stuff due to leaks and the potential for hardware damage compared to a quality air-cooled fan that works without issue.

    http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSINK
  3. RUbix the URLs are now working, this was another set up that was recommended to me, without reservoir:

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11743/ex-wat-159/XSPC_Rasa_750_RS240_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_Free_Kill_Coil.html?tl=g30c321s1310


    bennthere your link takes me to heatsinks, are you suggesting something like this over water cooling

    http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2258
  4. So it's confirmed then, no such thing as a silect AIR cooled PC for OC'ing to 4.5-5gz?
  5. Quote:
    Rubix likes H2O cooling but I don't recommend the closed loop stuff due to leaks and the potential for hardware damage compared to a quality air-cooled fan that works without issue.


    I like REAL watercooling loops; not to be confused with closed, LCS coolers. Most LCS coolers don't leak, but they underperform based simply on price and performance in comparison with good air coolers and entry level water cooling setups. I wish people would get past the 'LCS coolers leak and ruin hardware' - No, in almost all instances they do not. In the past, there have been some older, outdated models that were more prone to developing leaks, but they aren't even sold anymore. The main drawbacks are weak pumps and poor flow rates coupled with limited radiator size for TDP in watts needing to be dissipated.

    Quote:
    So it's confirmed then, no such thing as a silect AIR cooled PC for OC'ing to 4.5-5gz?


    Likely not. Even with watercooling, you aren't going to get silence unless you over-rad to get a 2-5C delta-T and use very low speed fans. Even if you water cool, you still need fans (more of them, in fact) and your main components still need air movement to cool them...GPUs, northbridge, MOSFET heatsinks, etc. You can get very quiet running, but 'silent' means different things to different people, so you are likely to get biased information based on that.

    It's hard to have your cake and eat it too when you want an overclock that aggressive.
  6. Even at 4.5ghz you could still be pretty quiet on air as long as you use PWM control. It'll get loud at full throttle but during regular windows stuff it should remain pretty quiet. I personally thought my Zalman CNPS10X Extreme was extremely quiet even at full tilt, given the performance.

    Water you can definitely get quiet with low FPI rads. 1300rpm fans can be almost silent. That's the route I went, and I just finished my overhaul, placing the rad inside the case. Now my PC is pretty darn quiet, with just a little whine sound when I need to crank up my GPU fans for gaming... until I go full on WC!
  7. :D

    It's so addictive...
  8. Yes, yes it is. I'm just glad I don't need to drop $350 on a TJ07B (although I still want to.........)
  9. +1 to the Rasa kit,
    I just used one as the basis for a build myself,
    easy enough to work with, everythings there in the box that you need, and reasonably priced performance :)
    the noise level is up to your selection/number of fans, even with eight 64cfm fans on the Rig, its very quiet
    Moto
  10. Yeah the RASA kit is nice, I like that the res and pump are their own unit. I have the Swiftech Edge 220 - which is also a great kit, but more expensive - and the res and pump are attached to the rad so it makes it a little tough to place.
  11. Swiftech Edge/Drive kits > XSPC Rasa kits
  12. 'm already at $1100 with the mobo and cpu alone, a big part of me is saying to just throw one of these on my CPU and call it a day.

    http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/006/scnj1000p.html

    Then there's my video card which will also make lots of noise, bah, maybe I should just get a silent tower.. I don't wan't to go over $2000 with my build, not including monitor.
  13. Don't get that Ninja... definitely are better ones than that. Also how do you figure you'll be over $1000 for a CPU and mobo? As far as I know, there aren't any prices out there yet...

    Anyway, yeah, water cooling is much more expensive than air, and air will get you some decent overclocks and/or a quieter case if that's what you want. But, water cooling is definitely higher performance and quieter (or much higher performance and louder), plus it can last from 1 system to another as most connections are universal.

    If you want a quiet air system it's definitely do-able and will be cheaper. Fluid Dynamic Bearing fans like Scythe S Flex at around 1300rpm and it'll be just a whisper.
  14. markgerazzi said:
    RUbix the URLs are now working, this was another set up that was recommended to me, without reservoir:

    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11743/ex-wat-159/XSPC_Rasa_750_RS240_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_Free_Kill_Coil.html?tl=g30c321s1310


    bennthere your link takes me to heatsinks, are you suggesting something like this over water cooling

    http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2258


    Frosty Tech also has some H2O cooler test data for comparison but yes I do recommend air-cooling over H2O for the obvious reasons that H2O systems are expensive, can be noisy, can and do leak damaging other PC hardware and are a poor value compared to air cooling. There are severl $60-$70 HSFs that will get you to within a couple degrees of a closed loop H100 system for less money and with zero chance of water leaks that can destroy your PC hardware.

    If you want to do H2O cooling as a hobby and do not care about costs, practicality, etc. then it can be a fun hobby but IMO it's not a good or practical system for PC cooling based on the above issues. Only you know what fits your situation best.
  15. H100 costs almost as much as a Rasa RS240 kit and performs considerably worse, so yes, when comparing an LCS as watercooling to air coolers, yes, air is a better option.

    Watercooling is a viable everyday option if you do it right from the beginning.
  16. After weighing out the pro's and con's, it seems like air is edging out a bit.

    Unless I get a big rad with bigger fans at lower speeds it still won't be that silent. If I do that it will be in the 200-300 dollar range.
    If I go with a silent cpu cooler it will be under 100, and will be almost as quiet as an average water cooling system.

    The only tihng is that without water I won't be able to get that 5gz :( unless I air cool the hell out of my system, which will be loud
  17. markgerazzi said:
    After weighing out the pro's and con's, it seems like air is edging out a bit.

    Unless I get a big rad with bigger fans at lower speeds it still won't be that silent. If I do that it will be in the 200-300 dollar range.
    If I go with a silent cpu cooler it will be under 100, and will be almost as quiet as an average water cooling system.

    The only tihng is that without water I won't be able to get that 5gz :( unless I air cool the hell out of my system, which will be loud


    Feel free to ignore Beenthere's advice, he, unlike Rubixx has no real watercooling experience, he knows only what he has read.
  18. I'm thinking about slapping one of these on my cpu and calling it a day:

    http://www.silentpcreview.com/Thermalright_Silver_Arrow


    After that I'll change the stock fans on my graphics card.


    Curious as to what you guys think of this and if 4.5gz is still feasible, quietly.
    This is a much cheaper route, under $100

    Thanks!
  19. markgerazzi said:
    I'm thinking about slapping one of these on my cpu and calling it a day:

    http://www.silentpcreview.com/Thermalright_Silver_Arrow


    After that I'll change the stock fans on my graphics card.


    Curious as to what you guys think of this and if 4.5gz is still feasible, quietly.
    This is a much cheaper route, under $100

    Thanks!


    That's the way I would go, I had a thermalright ultra on my e8500 it was great and the silver arrow is supposed to be better. I got a stable 4.4 overclock with the ultra, if you have any luck with the cpu 4.5 should be no problem.
  20. e8500, i'm assuming that isn't as good for OC'ing as the new Sandy E's
    How were your temps and noise?

    Can you recommend any fans for my graphics card?
  21. Found this link, apparently this thing is massive

    http://www.amazon.com/THERMALRIGHT-SILVER-ARROW-DUAL14CM-HEATSINK/dp/B003XRAKLQ/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319790305&sr=8-1-fkmr0


    I should also post links to my mobo, it's a new model and rumor has it things may not fit this board nicely:

    http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/201110/sX79-UD5.jpg
  22. I'm not trying to discredit beenthere's advice at all...the only thing I have issues with is that he always mentions that watercooling would appear to have a higher probability of leaking and wrecking your hardware than what it actually does in real life. He makes it seem like there is a 50/50 chance. In reality it is very, very minimal that you would encounter a leak from an LCS cooler, and issues with a normal loop are also very minimal, but very much dependent upon the installer's experience and attention to detail. But, for $150 or less, I only recommend the Rasa kits. If a user doesn't want to get into an actual loop at that point, I highly recommend sticking to a good air cooler instead and skipping LCS coolers.

    Your wallet and expectations will both be hurting.
  23. ^The only problem now is my x79 mobo size, no silent cpu coolers will fit, so I'll need higher fan speeds and smaller models.
    Decisions decisions, maybe just a good silent enclosure like the Gigabyte cupio.. may not fit my mobo tho
  24. rubix_1011 said:
    I'm not trying to discredit beenthere's advice at all...the only thing I have issues with is that he always mentions that watercooling would appear to have a higher probability of leaking and wrecking your hardware than what it actually does in real life. He makes it seem like there is a 50/50 chance. In reality it is very, very minimal that you would encounter a leak from an LCS cooler, and issues with a normal loop are also very minimal, but very much dependent upon the installer's experience and attention to detail. But, for $150 or less, I only recommend the Rasa kits. If a user doesn't want to get into an actual loop at that point, I highly recommend sticking to a good air cooler instead and skipping LCS coolers.

    Your wallet and expectations will both be hurting.


    It only takes ONE water-cooler leak to destroy a PC. If you have objective statistical data that shows the percentage of PC owners who have actually had leaks, I'd like to see it. AFAIK it doesn't exist so saying the chances are small is a subjective opinion, not necessarily a fact. ;)

    I'm not diss'ing you either, I know some folks enjoy H2O cooling as a hobby but I like to present a fair and balanced view of PC cooling as nobody really needs H2O cooling and it has more liabilities than benefits for typical users. I always suggest that people perform due diligence and then buy what makes them happy.
  25. Homeboy2 said:
    Feel free to ignore Beenthere's advice, he, unlike Rubixx has no real watercooling experience, he knows only what he has read.


    PLEASE refrain from posting an inappropriate comment which is insulting and ignorant as you have no idea what my experience is with H2O cooling. My comments were accurate and useful for those looking to purchase a PC cooler.

    If you have something constructive to post or a different POV, you can RESPECTFULLY state your case. Insulting other forum members which is a violation of the TOS and making baseless statements it totally inappropriate and counter-productive to the entire community.

    If you can't post accurate information without making your comments personal, then you should not post at all.
  26. beenthere said:
    PLEASE refrain from posting an inappropriate comment which is insulting and ignorant as you have no idea what my experience is with H2O cooling. My comments were accurate and useful for those looking to purchase a PC cooler.

    If you have something constructive to post or a different POV, you can RESPECTFULLY state your case. Insulting other forum members which is a violation of the TOS and making baseless statements it totally inappropriate and counter-productive to the entire community.

    If you can't post accurate information without making your comments personal, then you should not post at all.


    So you do have watercooling experience? If so why haven't you related some of your personal horror stories about your waterlogged computers instead of talking about some noobs problems with their cheapo kits that you read about on some forum? Your comments are NOT accurate as Rubix and others have pointed out many times before. If making baseless statements is inappropriate and counter-productive then why do you do it?
  27. As tempting as it is to get involved in the great Air/Water debate going on here,
    I think all should remember that Markgerazzi came here to get help with his question,
    lets focus on helping him,
    if we want a water=Evil vs air=wonderful thread, start a separate one and we can all get our views out on that one
    **In fact here it is, the flameroom
    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/forum2.php?config=tomshardwareuk.inc&cat=11&post=270257&page=1&p=1&sondage=0&owntopic=1&trash=0&trash_post=0&print=0&numreponse=0&quote_only=0&new=0&nojs=0**
    argue there, not here
    Thanks
    Moto
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