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August 25, 2009 7:27:01 PM

Hi, please don't ask why, but as you can see from the title I need a machine that is suitable JUST to play CSS. The game needs to be played on Medium-High settings, and it must not need more then a 300W PSU to power the whole system, that is where I'm stuck and need some professional advice.

I was thinking along the lines of:

CPU: Pentium 4 - 2.8Ghz (LGA775)
RAM: 512MB DDR2 800Mhz (single stick)
GPU: 7600GT
PSU: 300W - Any Brand.

And any old Micro ATX motherboard with DDR2 and a PCI-e slot. It will be played on a 19" TFT monitor.

Please give me some very good advice, if I have over done the system specs, please let me know so I can downgrade. The main issue is the GPU and the PSU I'm having troubles choosing.

Thanks!!
August 25, 2009 7:30:48 PM

Do you have a budget? Are the only parts you need the ones you listed?
August 25, 2009 7:31:53 PM

A Quik Question:

What was the smallest clock speed that Pentium 4 offered for the socket 775 family? I couldn't find anything on intels home page.

Thanks!
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August 25, 2009 7:37:10 PM

:)  Bugdet? Hmm... I'm not sure if I do, I guess the cheapest possible price. To make things simpler, there will be no need for a PC case or DVD drive or anything. Just the specs listed above I will need. O, and I forgot to mention, I'll be building 5 of these. (Don't ask :D )

I just couldn't find the requirments for CSS, otherwise I wouldn't be here. :)  Do you think the 7600GT is over doing it for CSS?

You know what? I have no idea why I said Pentium... It could be Celeron or AMD if its cheaper or better.

Thanks.

Edit: I just checked and 2.8Ghz Celeron's are SOOO cheap... I found one for a BIN price on eBay for $3! I'm not very good with AMD so I wouldn't understand what I would need to be honest. Do you think I should go with Celeron D's instead?
August 25, 2009 7:37:32 PM

do you even stil get p4 desktops?but for the cheapest with best performance get an amd am2+ dual 790gx am2+ board 1gig of ram with pc power an cooling 370 watt power supply
August 25, 2009 7:41:43 PM

I would suggest building it around an athlon II 245 and a 4670, it will be a lot stronger than an old pentium 4. Only problem is im not sure if you can run it off a 300 watt PSU, most of them are total crap, consider the 400CX from corsair.
August 25, 2009 7:46:39 PM

godbrother said:
and it must not need more then a 300W PSU to power the whole system,


That's the part I don't understand. Why does it HAVE to 300W?
August 25, 2009 7:48:31 PM

Wow, considering Half Life 2 only needs a 1.2Ghz CPU and any old DX7 GPU, you fellas gave some pretty high specs indead :)  I think a 4670 will be an overkill for CSS.

I just want it to play High settings That does not fall under 60FPS.

I used to own an old Pentium 4 PC with the 7200GS and it played COD4 with 30FPS. I seriously doubt CSS needs that much power...

Thanks!
August 25, 2009 7:49:41 PM

If you're gonna buy 5 of these maybe you can get some of the items sold in bulk, thall save you a good penny.
August 25, 2009 7:50:42 PM

AMDThunder said:
That's the part I don't understand. Why does it HAVE to 300W?


I have a bunch of 300W PSU's laying around and didn't want to purchase an extra 5 PSU's just for alittle extra watts.
August 25, 2009 7:53:02 PM

Problem is older tech starts going up in price especially when its that old, and a low end modern GPU will use a lot less power than an older mid range would have. The 300 watt PSU is probably the trickiest thing to work around.
August 25, 2009 7:53:24 PM

By the way here are the Cs: source requierments



Minimum: 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, DirectX 7 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: 2.4 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

August 25, 2009 7:53:29 PM

well ok use the 300watt on the am2+ builds and dam we all turning into animals on toms cats,dogs,monkeys this place sure is a zoo
August 25, 2009 8:00:24 PM

hunter315 said:
Problem is older tech starts going up in price especially when its that old, and a low end modern GPU will use a lot less power than an older mid range would have. The 300 watt PSU is probably the trickiest thing to work around.


Not really, I found a bunch of Celerons and Pentiums on ebay for like $3-$5 a piece. The tricky part for me was finding 478 socket motherboards with PCI-e slots. So thats why I'm looking for 775 socket CPU's becuase basic micro ATX 775 motherboards are like $10 on ebay.
August 25, 2009 8:01:26 PM

obsidian86 said:
well ok use the 300watt on the am2+ builds and dam we all turning into animals on toms cats,dogs,monkeys this place sure is a zoo


I think the CPU is a bit of an over kill... Don't you think? I mean, its clocked at 2.9Ghz with Dual core. :S
August 25, 2009 8:05:09 PM

dodonga said:
By the way here are the Cs: source requierments



Minimum: 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, DirectX 7 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection

Recommended: 2.4 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows 2000/XP, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection


Wow, so its just the basic HL2 requierments right?

What is the equivalent to a 2.4Ghz Pentium for AMD?
August 25, 2009 8:11:34 PM

2.4 amd sempron
August 25, 2009 8:21:31 PM

id say start looking for all those unwanted 478 mobo's get some celeron/p4 around 2.4ghz and just go for agp cards like , nvidia 6600gt radeon 9800 pro. I know i can get those gpu here second hand for like 5-10 euros, and those cards should play css on high perfect
August 26, 2009 3:46:02 PM

ill b ben said:
id say start looking for all those unwanted 478 mobo's get some celeron/p4 around 2.4ghz and just go for agp cards like , nvidia 6600gt radeon 9800 pro. I know i can get those gpu here second hand for like 5-10 euros, and those cards should play css on high perfect


Are you sure a 300W PSU will handle the 9800 Pro? I used to own one of those long ago, and they where monsters.

Just a question for anyone that knows, what PCI-e graphics card plays CSS on full high? 7300GT maybe?
August 26, 2009 4:08:19 PM

Well i used to run a 9600 on a generic 250 lol, id say ur good
Still running a p4 3,2 ghz (ht) 2 gig ram and a 6600gt on a 300 watt psu for that matter
August 26, 2009 8:28:33 PM

Alrighty then, I'm going to go with the following specs:

CPU: Pentium 4 2.8Ghz 1MB Cache
RAM: 512MB DDR2 800Mhz (Kingston ValueRam)
GPU: 8500GT PCI-e 256MB GDDR3
PSU: 300W
MoB: Asrock Micro ATX (DDR2/PCI-e)

Am I doing an overkill for CS:S? Any other suggestions before I go ahead with the purchases?

How can I check how many FPS the 8500GT will get me on CS:S on high settings? I was hoping to get on average 60-70FPS.

Thanks!
August 26, 2009 9:26:23 PM

aint it more cost effective to go for 1 gig rather then 512? seeing as its ddr2 and its dirt cheap these days,

Well i have a 8600m gs in my laptop (highly overclocked) and i believe its about a 8500 gt's (desktop ofc) lvl. ANd i can play css at max res (1280x1024) and 8x aa.. and still have plenty of fps, altho this is in conjunction with a c2d t7250 (2ghz)

So kinda overkill i suppose, at what price are you getting that 8500 tho? seeing as its a old gen wouldnt a newer gen like the radeon 4650 b better (and around the same price)

Use a program called FRAPS, can download for free (just cant record longer then a few min or so) but displays your fps perfectly (or are you refering to a chart?)

last thing, dont forget the Hd's eh?
August 26, 2009 9:37:42 PM

theres actually a fps console command within css.. just wish i could remember it...
August 26, 2009 10:24:26 PM

Oh never knew that,

but google does wonders

''go into console and type''

net_graph 1; net_graphpos 2

Ohwell still prefer fraps tbh

August 26, 2009 11:15:29 PM

ill b ben said:
aint it more cost effective to go for 1 gig rather then 512? seeing as its ddr2 and its dirt cheap these days,

Well i have a 8600m gs in my laptop (highly overclocked) and i believe its about a 8500 gt's (desktop ofc) lvl. ANd i can play css at max res (1280x1024) and 8x aa.. and still have plenty of fps, altho this is in conjunction with a c2d t7250 (2ghz)

So kinda overkill i suppose, at what price are you getting that 8500 tho? seeing as its a old gen wouldnt a newer gen like the radeon 4650 b better (and around the same price)

Use a program called FRAPS, can download for free (just cant record longer then a few min or so) but displays your fps perfectly (or are you refering to a chart?)

last thing, dont forget the Hd's eh?


Well, the "recommended" settings for CS:S is 512MB of "DDR" memory, but in this case its DDR2 running at 800Mhz so its double what would normal be recommended in speed wise. Plus, 512MB is cheaper then a 1GB stick. I see your point, but these systems will have 2 things installed... 1 being the operating system (XP Home) and CS:S.

I checked around on ebay and you can pick up the 8500GT new for around £15 ($25) I guess its remaining stock.

I yet havn't built the systems, thats why I was asking if the 8500GT will handle maxed out settings on any resulution higer then 1024x768 leaving me with 60FPS+

Regarding the 4650... I checked on ebay and there going for £40 the cheapest ($65) plus I think its an over kill for CS:S.

I forgot to mention, I live in the U.K so newegg and super cheap websites you may have access to I only dream of having access to unfortunately.
August 27, 2009 10:40:35 AM

I doubt the ddr2 will give you a speed boost tbh, But i used to run css on 512mb drr aswell never had any issues. So yeh ur fine

Go for the 8500gt then, sure no gamer card but will blow css away

150% positive that you will b running it on highest settings on that res

Your right, seeing as your getting a 8500gt for 15 quid, go for it

Lol, I feel your pain. I my self live in the netherlands so no newegg for me either,
Altho we have some other solutions

Anyways goodluck with the builds, and hf with source
August 28, 2009 3:20:02 PM

Hi, back again :) 

I decided to take a look at price difference between 512MB and 1GB ram sticks, and belive it or not, there BOTH THE SAME PRICE. :)  (on ebay of course) so I'm going with your advice and getting 1GB sticks for each setup.

Pentium 4 2.8Ghz HT LGA755
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/INTEL-PENTIUM-4-520-HT-2-8GHz-PRO...

1GB DDR2 800Mhz Crucial Ram:
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=...

MicroATX Foxconn Motherboard (Cheapest one with PCI-e and DDR2)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B5861-Foxconn-P4M9007MB-8RS2H-Soc...

Palit 7300GT 256MB DDR2
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Palit-GeForce-7300GT-256MB-DDR2-P...

Maxtor 40GB IDE 7,200RPM Hard Drive:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXTOR-40GB-Hard-Disk-Drive-ATA-1...

Nice and Cheap X-Case PC Case Black/Silver:
http://www.xcase.co.uk/X-Case-V12-Black-Silver-Case-p/x...

TOTAL Including V.A.T/P&P: £95

Any other suggestions? I'm about to go ahead and buy them tonight or tommorow morning, wouldn't mind any last minute suggestions. I'm a bit stuck up on the Motherboard is it a good choice? Any other thoughts?

Benchmark tests for the 7300GT on Half Life 2 (CS:S)
http://www.overclockersonline.net/index.php?page=articl...

Regards.
August 28, 2009 3:33:59 PM

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August 28, 2009 3:53:30 PM

Nah this should b perfect for your css rampage,

And good find on the 1 gb ram lol

Enjoy!
August 28, 2009 4:41:46 PM

Oh wow you managed to build them for under 100 pounds, thats pretty good man tell us if you get screwed over with any of the parts you ordered of e-bay :p 
August 28, 2009 5:45:51 PM

^^ Haha! O man... That just screwed my day :D  I mean, I've never had a problem till this day on ebay... So, hopfully nothing should go wrong.

My worry is the motherboard, do you think its the right choice?
August 29, 2009 2:05:04 AM

What PSU did you get for them?
August 29, 2009 8:18:27 PM

^^

All the systems will be running of random 300W PSU's that are laying around my house. :) 

Any one got a suggestion on another motherboard?
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