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August 26, 2009 7:41:39 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within 1-2 weeks

BUDGET RANGE:
200-500$

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:

Hd Movies, internet, emails, possible mid to high end games in the future. Needs to be upgradable because of this.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:

Speakers, keyboard and mouse, DVD CD player, hard drive. Already have from old computer will reuse. Already selected LCD screen as well.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

PARTS PREFERENCES:

She would like the smallest case she could have with parts that are upgradable. A sleek design with some or preferably no vent holes. She would also like it standing/tower. Here is a case she likes but I am unsure if I could put anything decent in it. This would give you an idea on her preferences.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OVERCLOCKING: Not needed

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Smallest black tower sleek case, very little wires, upgradable psu, limited noise, future upgradable graphics card. Possibly have intergraded graphic cards like an hd3200 or something higher end that can handle HD movies with no problems (recommendation if not included on motherboard). Wireless networking card separate or integrated. Looking at a dual core Celeron 2.4 GHz CPU, 1g-2g of ram but open to suggestions.

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August 26, 2009 8:10:53 PM

But you are not going to be able to do high end games on it.
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August 26, 2009 8:36:08 PM

I was once trying to build a small gaming computer for myself because i wanted it to be closest to the size of my xbox 360. i once had a HP Pavilion Slimline computer. Are you wanting something similar to that that takes low profile graphics cards but slightly bigger?
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August 26, 2009 8:40:20 PM

As jsc said you are not going to be able to play high end games, but by that, games like Crysis on decent specs at least. The best low profile graphics card you can get is a Nvidia Galaxy 9600 GT. It's a mid performing card i had a look at the performance of it and it will play the latest not so demanding games out today at good framerates such as call of duty 4. You'd get about 50 FPS and sometimes over 60 so the game play would be enjoyable. I don't know if that's the case for the low profile card. I'll have a look and see if i can send you links of individual components that you can use to build a computer. Unfortunately they don't really offer any small gaming computers out there so you just have to build one yourself and don't worry building a computer is not to hard it's just like putting high tech lego together.
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August 26, 2009 8:43:56 PM

Ok lastly, unfortunately i'm from the UK so i won't know how prices will differ in the U.S. Maybe if you put your budget up to a $600 price range. Also when i was trying to configure a small computer, the only problem i encountered was trying to find a micro ATX PSU over 300watts. If you can find a micro ATX PSU that comes with a micro ATX case of your choice that is 350 or 400watts then that would be a useful start.
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August 26, 2009 8:45:05 PM

Athlon II or Phenom II on a 790GX mobo should do the trick nicely.
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August 26, 2009 8:53:53 PM

Can someone find a reasonable quality 400 watt power supply. That HAS TO BE MICRO ATX.
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August 26, 2009 9:21:53 PM

Not looking for a high end gaming computer.

It does not need to be powerful to start (that is why I was looking into built in graphics cards). Gaming as I have said will be most likely a future thing.

It just has to play HD videos very well and lower end games with no problems. Plus the other features I talked about above.

Thanks for the replies
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August 26, 2009 9:24:18 PM

jsc said:
But you are not going to be able to do high end games on it.


He is asking for a pretty steep requirements. Small as possible but upgradable? Very difficult. The 300w PSU in the Sugo will handle an ATI 4850 or Nvidia 250, both of which will play at 19x12 res with some lowered detail. Next gen cards will use less power, and be more powerful so the upgrade path is there. The Zotac board will accept a Q9650, which is by no means a dog, but it is pricey. $200-$500 is a pretty broad range. You can build a nice M-ITX setup for $500. Cant build sh_t for $200.

If he really wants power and the ability to upgrade hes going to have to deal with at least a M-ATX mobo and a case that it will fit in, which is a good deal bigger than M-ITX, but your rapidly approaching more than $500 there.
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August 26, 2009 9:27:40 PM

micro itx is ridicoulous. lol scrap that idea. Look at my links that i have shown. Micro atx motherboard, can anyone find any good intel dual core deals that comes with motherboards. i'm thinking a 2.4ghz core 2 duo. Something reasonably nice.
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August 26, 2009 9:34:54 PM

Nashsafc said:
micro itx is ridicoulous. lol scrap that idea. Look at my links that i have shown. Micro atx motherboard, can anyone find any good intel dual core deals that comes with motherboards. i'm thinking a 2.4ghz core 2 duo. Something reasonably nice.


Whats wrong with M-ITX? For a machine that will be used for a light gaming, web browsing, email checking, movie streaming/watching machine its more than adequate. Some people want something really small. M-ITX fills the bill there.

M-ATX obviously has it advantages, but that advantage comes with a price increase.

And FYI, the build I posted in the other thread, will run as fast or possibly faster than what your putting together. Bigger doesnt always mean faster.
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August 26, 2009 9:41:42 PM

Micro Itx is tiny, does it even have a PCI-e x16 slot to put video cards in. I think my old Pavilion Slimline had one PCI-e x16, and one PCI slot. But better to get micro atx i think seriously if you want to game. Micro Itx mobos sometimes don't even have another 4 pin connector on the motherboard to enhance the power going to the CPU from the PSU. This is normal on micro atx and atx mobos that have a 24 pin connect plus another 4 pin somewher on the board. This limits the processor the person can get to a 65watt processor at maximum.
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August 26, 2009 9:43:11 PM

so you'll end up being stuck at an athlon 5200+ so there is no upgrade potential because the processors higher up use more power (power over 65 watts).
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August 26, 2009 10:00:42 PM

Have you even looked at anything Ive posted?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thats the Zotac mobo. Handles up to a Q9650 Core 2 Quad. Handles 8 gigs of RAM. Has a single PCIE X16 slot for a single video card. Has the 4 pin for the CPU. What more do you need for a compact machine?
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August 26, 2009 10:05:27 PM

Like I said, a 790GX-based system would be perfect. Here is a Biostar micro-ATX 790GX board. It's pretty darn expandable, compatible with all current AM3 cpus, and has Crossfire capability to boot. It also has the single most powerful integrated GPU, and a $15 MIR.
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August 26, 2009 10:05:59 PM

Kaldor said:
Have you even looked at anything Ive posted?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thats the Zotac mobo. Handles up to a Q9650 Core 2 Quad. Handles 8 gigs of RAM. Has a single PCIE X16 slot for a single video card. Has the 4 pin for the CPU. What more do you need for a compact machine?

I agree. That is a very nice motherboard that will work great for the intended use. I've been considering using it for a new HTPC build.
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August 26, 2009 10:13:15 PM

wooo, i've never seen that before lol. It looks good, although it would be nice and would still be classed as micro itx if it had a PCI slot on it. My HP Pavilion Slimline when i had it had a micro itx with one PCI-e x16 and one PCI as i sated before. But yeah i agree with you would be a good mobo. But concerning the case, usually itx cases don't have big enough power supplies and by that i mean 400 watts. They might not be long enough to house the galaxy 9600gt low profile graphics card. Or might not even have a low profile slot.
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August 26, 2009 10:17:22 PM

smithereen, yes that mobo looks good. How much is a cheap but good processor you can have on that. Then stick a Galaxy 9600 gt on it if it's going in a low profile case, i recommend micro atx case rather than itx case, you won't be able to put a proper descrete GPU in a micro itx case. I mean a gaming card not something like a krappy ATI 3450, that's a nightmare card.
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August 27, 2009 12:21:57 AM

See this: 2009's $600 gaming pc.
also you can swap the GTX260 for something like HIS HD4770 and upgrade the processor to a C2Q.

Best Regards
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August 27, 2009 12:28:50 AM

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i recommend micro atx case rather than itx case, you won't be able to put a proper descrete GPU in a micro itx case. I mean a gaming card not something like a krappy ATI 3450, that's a nightmare card.


Sure HD4770 won't be that crappy and the included M-ATX is pretty good.

Regards
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August 30, 2009 7:42:46 PM

Sixty bucks for a 2.8gHz Athlon II, sufficient for the OP's needs. The IGP in the 790GX should also suffice until he needs gaming capability, then he can upgrade all the way up to the top of AMD's lineup if he needs to.
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August 30, 2009 8:38:41 PM

Is it possible to get a better deal with Intel Core 2 Duo or a cheap quad? Since the processors are quite a bit better. I'm sure some older core 2 duos must be about the same price as an old athlon, it's just the motherboards that might cost more? Try getting a Athlon 6400+. For $60 is there anything else better.
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August 30, 2009 8:39:35 PM

o right you said the 790gx motherboard and not the previous one. Sorry i had you wrong there yeah that would be a good deal.
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August 31, 2009 5:24:12 AM

Nashsafc said:
Is it possible to get a better deal with Intel Core 2 Duo or a cheap quad? Since the processors are quite a bit better. I'm sure some older core 2 duos must be about the same price as an old athlon, it's just the motherboards that might cost more? Try getting a Athlon 6400+. For $60 is there anything else better.


Well yeah, the $60 Athlon II I linked to.
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August 31, 2009 5:36:39 AM

As a guide for the el cheapo AMD chips clock for clock we have

Callisto > Regor > Kuma > Windsor > Brisbane
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August 31, 2009 5:57:18 AM

Well i do up more mATX/SFF gamers for peeps more than anything else and you could make do with HD4200 IGP before seriously considering gaming in future hehe A suggested config
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August 31, 2009 9:33:13 AM

That motherboard is going to be the one i'm getting with my computer to lol sometime, eventually. It's full height ATX though. It won't fit in micro ATX, lol and don't call it micro ATX just because you see boards out there with 6 ram slots and 3 PCI-e x16 slots, it's still full form factor.
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August 31, 2009 10:51:40 AM

Also for advice for a small computer, if you are wanting a low profile case and want the best graphics card for it. The Galaxy 9600GT should be available for it.
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August 31, 2009 11:24:26 AM

yeah, the truth is if you want a decent ish gaming computer you are going to have to have a bigger case and equipment.
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August 31, 2009 11:52:04 AM

I wouldn't advise mITX or slim mATX casings though
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August 31, 2009 12:00:07 PM

But you could still get away with some nice gaming with the less demanding games, such as Far Cry 1, Command & Conquer 3. Splinter Cell. With those games you would be able to play them on max settings with great frame rates over 60. You can still have some decent graphics and play modern games at medium settings.
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