GT300 wins over 5870

From Fudzilla,


Several people confirm


Nvidia is still not revealing any details about its chip that we still call GT300 but one thing is getting quite certain. A few people who saw just leaked performance data on ATI's soon to launch Radeon HD 5870 have told Fudzilla that they are absolutely confident that GT300 will win over Radeon HD 5870.

Since GT300 has its GX2 brother they should not fear much against Radeon 5870 X2 whenever that comes out, as if Nvidia wins a single chip battle, they can win the dual one as well.

We can only confirm that GT300 is not a GT200 in 40nm with DirectX 11 support. It’s a brand new chip that was designed almost entirely from the ground up. Industry sources believe that this is the biggest change since G80 was launched and that you can expect such level of innovation and change.

The launch as far as we know is still slated for late November and hasn’t been confirmed.

Until there is some solid evidence it's just unicorn poo.

I highly doubt ati is going to release a card that doesn't fit into the Jedec's PCI-e standards. That 380W is just twice the 5870s tdp, and not 'real' as such. I believe they will bring it down to around 280W or below, just like the 4870x2

No, that is not comfirmed.

Everything I have read says that fudzilla doesn't understand what TDP is and has not idea of how the X2 will fare.

or use better binned chips with lower voltage...

^^believe me, they are allready hard at work with the next gen chips, u know, the ones that come after the HD5xxx and gt300. It takes like 3 years to come up with a new chip...

http://hardocp.com/news/2009/09/15 [...] _under_263

If this is true, there's no way that Nvidia is hiting a november release. And certainly not getting a dual GPU card, at least until their next die shrink.

By that time, ATI will have won over a ton more market share, similar to the 48xx series release.

We've been hearing amazing things about the 58xx series for months now. We've heard next to nothing (aside from an unsourced hint from Fudzilla (really?)) about the GT300 GPUS.

I'd be taking my stock out of Nvidia right now if I had any.

No matter how many ways people link to the same source it's not going become any more factual until other much more reliable voices speak up.

Ehh, I hold the same pesimistic attitude.

But "IF" it's true, nvidia is scaroowed. If the source here turns out reliable, then there are some MAJOR design flaws in the GT300 that will require a whole lot more than a couple months for redesigns, revisions, manufacturing, branding, driver creation, and shipping.

At least post links. No one has the time to waste to search out obscure articles you refference.

proof is in the pudding

Has anyone noticed how Fuad spreads lies... er.. FUD about ATI and props nVidia? For example, he lied about 5870 X2 TDP (376W... yeah right, he has no slightest clue about it), and now endorses nVidia PR? If you dont believe Charlie about extremely low yields so far, Kyle Bennet from HardOCP says his sources confirmed it. Yet Fuad says GT300 will surely beat 5870 (possible, but how does he know?), how nVidia shouldnt fear 5870 X2 because... "Since GT300 has its GX2 brother they should not fear much against Radeon 5870 X2 whenever that comes out". I find it very funny how its worded, we dont know when GT300 itself will be launched after all delays and low yields, yet by Fuad words it may seem GX2 will be on the shelfs soon, just its not clear when 5870 X2 comes out How on earth nVidia will be able to launch GX2 at all before next refresh?

This leaves only two possibilities IMO:

1. Fuad is payed by nVidia and actually has inside info, while Charlie, Kyle Bennet and others are being lied to about yields, possible release dates, etc. (disinformation is part of the war).

2. Fuad is payed by nVidia... to spread FUD, no more, no less, at least to spoil 5800 series launch a little bit. Since he has no credibility, he doesnt care if in a month or two he will be caught anyway.

Sure Nvidia will probably produce a chip 20% faster than the 5870, but it'll be a lot more expensive and they'll release it months later so it's not really a fair comparison (by that time the 5890 will be waiting around the corner anyway.)

Nvidia fanboys, God love em! I'll be just fine with my 5870 come next week.

Not only would there be a market shortage, they wouldnt even have enough yeild to test and revise. If the rumour turns out true, they wont be able to get it out the door for a long long time.

And I just realized something............................

Nvidia is just now getting their very first silicon yeilds. If that's true, even if they came back golden, there's no way they could hit a november release. And besides that..... First yeilds are typically purely for testing the integerity of a design. There's not a blue frozen flying pigs chance in hell that anyone knows what the GT300 performance will be like.

Let me repeat that: Fudzilla coudln't vacuum more. Fail.

Now that would suck sweaty donkey balls.

Thx, its exciting time for enthusiasts

To post rumors is fine, it generates traffic, etc., but to post nonsense isnt very smart for the long term, because nobody will take him seriously. For example Charlie is biased, but often he has grain of truth, and if you visit his forums, he has quite a lot of readers who respect him. Does ANYONE respect Fuad? Anyone? If he keeps posting nonsense, he will lose not only the last bits of respect anyone would have, but also the readers.

The CAKE is a LIE!

Anyways, I'd wait for the actual reviews.

i dont think ati needs to realease a 5870x2 even a 5890 OC super edition will probably eat GTX380 easily according to specs of 5870.

I would still suspend judgment until the real ones are released and reviewed. No point in mumbling with uncertain and unconfirmed "facts". Besides, anyone could say anything about something that is currently in-existent.

sources? links?

What's the point of a link when all you'll say is - hey, let's wait until it actually comes out blah, blah, blah???

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id- [...] mance.html

To confirm if you are saying bullsh*t.

And btw, until several sites posted their versions of the review then I won't commend with your views. Thoughts based on just a single source is immature.

Doesn't matter whether the CPU was overclocked or not: the source is a shady rumor (there are NO official benchmarks out yet) and it doesn't say jack *** about the GTX 380.

You could have asked the same question when the GTX 295 was about to be released: "what will it do that the 4780x2 won't do?" In fact, ATI will release a 5870x2 so obviously there is a demand for cards that are more powerful than the 5870.

I for one fully believe that the GT300 will be faster then the 5870. I don't believe it will be better. If the 5870 has double the SP at 1600, and if the GT300 more then doubles their count to 512SP, then it stands that the faster GTX280 upgraded card will be faster then the 4870 upgraded card. If the GTX280 is faster then the 4870 and you more then double on the faster side and only double on the slower side, the slower side will still be slower.

This doesn't mean the GT300 will be the better chip however. It might consume more power, generate more heat, cost more due to the huge die size, and if it scales down as well as the GT200, it will leave Nvidia without a midrange and lower DX11 card. Unless something changes that we don't know about, I expect the GT300 to be faster then the 5870, but will probably be worse in every other measurable way.