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September 16, 2009 11:59:48 PM

Im new to this forums.

anyways, building a new computer of budget of $2000 (PC parts only)

anyways, in the newegg's shopping cart, there are every components and the total is $1550 (shipping included)

And just waiting to add the GPU... arggg this is killing me here.

either to go with Dual 4890 xfire or single GTX 295 or single 5870....

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September 17, 2009 12:11:42 AM

a single 5870 beats pretty much everything currently in existence, i think the due date is sept 23rd
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September 17, 2009 1:06:04 AM

22nd i read in the US
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September 17, 2009 1:21:26 AM

lol yup...
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September 17, 2009 1:36:50 AM

Can't wait need new card since my 7900 wont work.
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September 17, 2009 1:42:31 AM

Wow, I really hope these are real, and accurate, amazing.
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September 17, 2009 2:39:02 AM

They seam very genuine to me and cant wait to upgrade from my 9800gt while swapping out my 7900 gtx duo that didn't work hell that thing was huge its even longer than my 8800gtx (12 1/4 inch or 31cm). :o  9800gt for most games 8800gtx fro crysis.
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September 17, 2009 6:32:17 AM

Looks relistic but where does the benchies come from ?
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September 17, 2009 6:40:27 AM

cyber_jockey said:
Looks relistic but where does the benchies come from ?

There are 5850 and 5870 in the wild, some lucky guys already are posting those benchies, cards pictures, temperature and noise levels (for example at 100% load, 30% fan speed is enough to keep 75C). As much as all it looks legit, lets wait one more week till reputable sites reviews.
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September 17, 2009 7:18:57 PM

OMFG. I guess we'll see if those benches are accurate pretty soon. I plan to get the 5850 when it goes below $200. I better upgrade my CPU first though ^_^.
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September 18, 2009 12:07:38 AM

:fou: 
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September 18, 2009 1:11:31 PM

you guys seen the pics of the 5870, looks like a beast










Now that looks sexy....
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September 18, 2009 1:47:50 PM

xaira said:
a single 5870 beats pretty much everything currently in existence, i think the due date is sept 23rd

Except GTX295 :) 

As you can see the GTX295 beats the 5870 in 11 out of 14 games (in 1920x1200) in the above benchmark.
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September 18, 2009 1:51:57 PM

pr0phet129 said:
you guys seen the pics of the 5870,....


YES, Welcome to LAST WEEK !! [:thegreatgrapeape:6]
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September 18, 2009 2:02:42 PM

michaelmk86 said:


As you can see the GTX295 beats the 5870 in 11 out of 14 games (in 1920x1200) in the above benchmark.


And as you can see, crank it beyond 19x12 and the GTX295 loses, and Crashes even. So that doesn't put the GTX295 above the HD5870, it just says that at lower settings it is able to pull out a lead (while both are playable), but the HD5870 still has higher ma playable settings, therefore wins.

If a GF8600 beats and HD4870x2 and GTX295 @ 640x480 because the other two cards have higher multi-GPU CPU overhead, a situation where all are playable just one is getting 200fps and the others 180, that doesn't make the GF8600 a better/faster card overall, just in that specific case it's putting out more fps because the others are bottlenecked.
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September 18, 2009 2:15:43 PM

^ thank you
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September 18, 2009 2:44:22 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
And as you can see, crank it beyond 19x12 and the GTX295 loses, and Crashes even. So that doesn't put the GTX295 above the HD5870, it just says that at lower settings it is able to pull out a lead (while both are playable), but the HD5870 still has higher ma playable settings, therefore wins.

If a GF8600 beats and HD4870x2 and GTX295 @ 640x480 because the other two cards have higher multi-GPU CPU overhead, a situation where all are playable just one is getting 200fps and the others 180, that doesn't make the GF8600 a better/faster card overall, just in that specific case it's putting out more fps because the others are bottlenecked.

Exactly, if leaked benches are accurate, 5870 is about ~20% faster than GTX295. Its pretty impressive how little hit they take with 4-8AA.
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September 18, 2009 3:48:27 PM

michaelmk86 said:
Except GTX295 :) 

As you can see the GTX295 beats the 5870 in 11 out of 14 games (in 1920x1200) in the above benchmark.



That is with the current drives thow they already said that the latest drivers added like 25-30% to some of the high end preformance stuff so 3-4 months from now this will beat the GTX 295 in all ways and on top of that its already VERY close to beating it and is only $499 or that is what i have seen they saying anyway

not to mention that its only 1 processer where the GTX 295 has 2 so it will work in older games that dont use SLI and crossfire
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September 18, 2009 3:56:49 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
And as you can see, crank it beyond 19x12 and the GTX295 loses, and Crashes even. So that doesn't put the GTX295 above the HD5870, it just says that at lower settings it is able to pull out a lead (while both are playable), but the HD5870 still has higher ma playable settings, therefore wins.

Who cares how the performane is at 2560 resolution? do you know many people that game on such high resolution? 1920 and 1680 is all that matters and the gtx 295 remains the top card in these brackets
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September 18, 2009 4:05:13 PM

for now that will change more then likly with a new set of drivers in a few months
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September 18, 2009 4:10:24 PM

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5870 - 299
295 - 499

It's not on top of ***


top card is determined by performance not by what poor people can afford. its $399 for the 5870 btw.
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September 18, 2009 4:19:07 PM

really thats nice i thought it was 499 where i read that means my new computer just lost 100 in price
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September 18, 2009 4:39:38 PM

michaelmk86 said:
Who cares how the performane is at 2560 resolution? do you know many people that game on such high resolution?


Probably the same people who are able to afford these cards at launch, that also likely swapped to 30" panels shortly after THOSE came out too. 1920x1200 is sooo 2002!

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1920 and 1680 is all that matters


To people who would never bother paying for a GTX295, especially if they scrimped and saved to buy a GTX280/260/275 in the first place.

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and the gtx 295 remains the top card in these brackets


In one test, and against a card with pre-release drivers, that won't last very long.
And as already mentioned, why pay more for a GTX295 that is only fractionally better at lower resolution, but can't match at tougher settings, and has none of the additional features of the HD5K series, and has little over the GF8800GTX, a card that's 3 years old. :pfff: 
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September 18, 2009 4:42:33 PM

successful_troll said:
top card is determined by performance not by what poor people can afford. its $399 for the 5870 btw.


Depends on what you're looking at doesn't it?
If you're looking for the top value card, price matter, top performing card, performance matters, top multi-montior card depends on how many and how well it supports multyi-monitor, top media card (like for HTPC) depends on how it supports media features, top spec/feature card then features support matter, top card overall is really determined by whether or not it has a Matrox Logo on it, without a Matrox Logo it cannot be top card. PERIOD !!!! :sol: 

Now back to the bridge with you !! :kaola:  ;)  :kaola: 
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September 18, 2009 5:30:47 PM

michaelmk86 said:
Who cares how the performane is at 2560 resolution? do you know many people that game on such high resolution? 1920 and 1680 is all that matters and the gtx 295 remains the top card in these brackets


I care about 2560, I play at 2560 I like to turn AAx8 also. I'm sure there are others out there who appreciate the boost in performance at that resolution. Just because you game on your 22", doesn't mean that we have to.

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September 18, 2009 6:41:22 PM

5850=299
5870=399
5870 eyefinity= alot
5870x2=alot
5870x2 eyefinity=(explicit)!!!!! you cant charge that much for a graphics card

it would not make sense for nvidia to lower the price of the gtx295 yet, it is wierd that ati would price the 5870 below an inferior card, maybe its like the athlon ii x4 strategy
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September 18, 2009 6:53:28 PM

Yeah the GTX295 cards is for a small market of nV fans to begin with it's not a value card play so little point in majorly reducing that price.

The area that will become interesting will be what happens to the GTX260/275/280 market and the rebranded G8/9 series which do compete on value, once the other models come out, like the HD5770 and HD56xx series. I think in that segment you'll see a fire sale.
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September 18, 2009 7:23:06 PM

xaira said:
5850=299
5870=399
5870 eyefinity= alot
5870x2=alot
5870x2 eyefinity=(explicit)!!!!! you cant charge that much for a graphics card

it would not make sense for nvidia to lower the price of the gtx295 yet, it is wierd that ati would price the 5870 below an inferior card, maybe its like the athlon ii x4 strategy


Yea, and if the 5870x2 is around the 599.99$ range then that would mean that Nvidia's next Flagship will cost around 699.99 or more..... Funny since you will end up with 2 options.... Build a new rig or buy a redonculous GPU.....
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September 18, 2009 7:30:51 PM

not really, 4870x2 was 599 when the gtx295 was released for the same price, now you can get a 4870x2 for under 400$, if nvidias card is actually as powerfull as they say, i doubt it, but if it is , most likely they wont charge more than 5870x2
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September 19, 2009 9:42:14 AM

michaelmk86 said:
Who cares how the performane is at 2560 resolution? do you know many people that game on such high resolution? 1920 and 1680 is all that matters and the gtx 295 remains the top card in these brackets


A) stupid thing to say as many people on this forum haved said they play on their 32 and 42" TVs from time to time.

B) When talking about overall performance of a card you take everything into account, weather or not you play at the settings the 5870 is clearly a more powerful card if he can play something that goes beyond unplayable to crashing on the GTX295.
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September 19, 2009 9:46:19 AM

xaira said:
5850=299
5870=399
5870 eyefinity= alot
5870x2=alot
5870x2 eyefinity=(explicit)!!!!! you cant charge that much for a graphics card

it would not make sense for nvidia to lower the price of the gtx295 yet, it is wierd that ati would price the 5870 below an inferior card, maybe its like the athlon ii x4 strategy



AMD/ATI has made it very clear before that it isn't about overpricing their product, most of their sells in both CPU and GPU are do to the fact they have always priced very well, even when they had amazing products.

By offering a better card for cheaper they plan to hit Nvidia hard, try and win some of the fanboys over and seal the deal on anyone who could have leaned one way or the other. They will take a hit on profits for individual cards but they have a chance to take a large amount of the market shares.

It is a balancing game of getting enough money for each card and getting more customers, which in turns means making sales they wouldn't have other wise.
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September 19, 2009 11:23:05 AM

Get the 5870: when a single card performs the same as two lesser cards in sli/crossfire, the single card is always the better, cheaper and greener (power consumption) option.
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September 19, 2009 12:40:03 PM

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All the Nvidia Fanboys saying blah blah the 295 beats the 5870 in 11 out of 14 games. Uh one its a dx10 last gen card, two its a dual gpu card and cost a fortune still, three how many people actually own one. The 5870 will be DX11 out of the box,will be a single gpu and cost less at release than a last gen dx11 295 does now. So go play with your 295 with its handful framerate win over the 5870. I'll take a 5870 next week and you can suck on my DX11 dust trails with more money in my pocket for a second 5870 in Xfire.



You forgot to mention that future drivers will give the 5870 even better performance and probably lift it over the GTX 295.
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September 19, 2009 12:51:55 PM

darkvine said:
A) stupid thing to say as many people on this forum haved said they play on their 32 and 42" TVs from time to time.

B) When talking about overall performance of a card you take everything into account, weather or not you play at the settings the 5870 is clearly a more powerful card if he can play something that goes beyond unplayable to crashing on the GTX295.


On the TV, you can only get 1920*1080, right?? Only 30" monitors give you the 2560*1600.
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September 19, 2009 12:55:45 PM

yeah, was out of it. I am on a lot of cold meds at the moment and it's really late.
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September 19, 2009 3:19:26 PM

microterf said:
On the TV, you can only get 1920*1080, right?? Only 30" monitors give you the 2560*1600.


Uh, no.

TVs CAN get higher resolutions, but they are more expensive and more uncommon TVs of course (usually for the commercial market right now);

http://www.consumer.philips.com/c/cinema-21-9/30849/cat...

And if you spend st00pid money you can get 2K (Quad HD) TVs in the 80+ inch range.

But they are starting to consider 2160P TVs for more than just the Japanese market, especially since you can show 1080p native at 4:1 pixel ratio.

However, on most TVs, yes 1080P is still standard.
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September 19, 2009 10:38:44 PM

A couple of cheap 275's to replace my 88's and tide me over until DX11 games have really propagated throughout is something might be an option to me if I can keep a couple of folk hanging on for just a little bit longer. :sweat: 
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September 20, 2009 3:59:39 AM

Several rumors are going out that the ATI numbers are actually lower than the 295 optimum numbers, just like last time when the 4870 was said by ATI that itd compete with the 9800gtx, when we all saw it competing with the 260 and winning as well.
Give it time, theres absolutely no way, if the specs weve been given, the 5870 will be slower than a 295, simply because, its in essence 2 4890s in 1 card, which are equal to 2 275s, BUT, theres no SLI/CF to slow it down, and only games that scale 100% for the 295 will it be even competitive, and itll still lose in those, especially at higher res
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September 20, 2009 4:33:55 AM

Yeah, I'd always chose an equal or slightly slower single card to a dual GPU card. SLI/Crossfire add more CPU load and incompatibilities (and I like to play older games as well, like good ole Tie Fighter from 1995, runs great on a 4850 and Vista 32).
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September 20, 2009 7:21:24 AM

Mousemonkey said:
A couple of cheap 275's to replace my 88's and tide me over until DX11 games have really propagated throughout is something might be an option to me if I can keep a couple of folk hanging on for just a little bit longer. :sweat: 



When you had up the the money for the 275's you might end up just better getting one 5850 and being done with it rally. It might be a bit more but not a bank breaker.
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September 20, 2009 7:42:59 AM

darkvine said:
When you had up the the money for the 275's you might end up just better getting one 5850 and being done with it rally. It might be a bit more but not a bank breaker.

It's not about money it's about personal choice and I would rather choose a pair of 275's than the first gen DX11 card from either side. ;) 
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September 20, 2009 8:05:53 AM

Mousemonkey said:
It's not about money it's about personal choice and I would rather choose a pair of 275's than the first gen DX11 card from either side. ;) 


Fair enough. I am personally waiting on the higher end air cooled ones to come out. When I start my next build I simply don't have the cash to go watercooling the whole thing (and all my parts from my other builds are in another state.) So I want the Atomic or Vapor-X versions.

Still is there a reason for the 275? I would think CF 4890 would be a better bet, or actually come to think about it once the 5XXX come out the price of the 285 might be looking really good.
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September 20, 2009 8:36:00 AM

The 680i board rules out Xfire and the only reason for losing the 88's is because one is likely to go into my mother's 'new' rig because she wants 19 x 10 on her 32" via DVI/HDMI and the second is heading to my friends rig so his son can play better games than a 6200 can manage.
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September 23, 2009 5:14:25 AM

they're out
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September 23, 2009 5:43:10 AM

Put 'em back in before you scare the children.
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September 23, 2009 5:52:03 AM

Ooh someone got Mod powerz
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September 23, 2009 6:01:39 AM

Yeah, and I'm not the only one. :) 
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September 23, 2009 6:04:11 AM

Yeah I noticed that. A lot of blue goin around. Good to see.
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September 23, 2009 6:07:08 AM

Hopefully together we can keep on top of the necro threads and spammers.
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