Just to date my old system, it has a GTX 7800 graphics card...needless to say its time for an upgrade (I wanna play newer and upcoming RPG's, MMO's, and FPS on this machine.) I have done some recent reading and wanted to build a good system without going overboard. I will list the system here and my questions, appreciate any advice and thought you may have.
1. Can I get away with cheaper RAM? Do I need this much for gaming? (this will be a gaming only rig)
2. I have a 2 year old 600W Nice Silverstone Power Supply, could I use this instead?
3. There is a more expensive (by 20-30 bones I think) HD with the same specs, but I don't know what extra it adds - is this HD sufficient?
4. Is this thermaltake fan sufficient to overclock my rig with?
5. There is a monitor with HDCP support that seems to be the same one as this but this version has a webcam - does this monitor support HDCP (dont even know what it is or if I need it)
6. One area I have always had complications with in the past are high end audio cards, so my last machine I just used the onboard audio, and was planning to do this again, is that wrong?
Well guys that's it, I am looking to finalize this purchase very soon so your feedback is greatly appreciated. Total price for everything comes to $1,600 - hopefully a decent machine for the money.
If it is going to be a gaming system, I feel you should invest more on the graphics rather than the RAM(6GB of RAM is more than suffice for gaming)
here are few suggestions...
Mobo - Change the mobo to something cheaper
EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813188049 This mobo has all the necessary features that you would require... and has very good options for overclocking as well...
And as for your questions...
1. I have given you the suggestions about the RAM...
2. That 600W PSU is more than suffice for the above setup ...unless you are planning for having multiple graphics cards in SLI, you wont need more power than that...
3. That HDD is very good...Another option - WD Black 1TB
4. Change it to the options that I had given above...
5. Yes it supports that...
6. Onboard audio on these boards are HD - they have 7.1 o/p, which is more than suffice for regular usage...
The only suggestion I will make is for audio. I put a auzen 7.1 prelude coupled with a very nice pair of sennheiser's ( I had these first) and the sound improvement over onboard (# Realtek ALC885 8-channel HD Audio Codec
# High-performance DACs with 106dB dynamic range (A-Weight), ADCs with 101dB dynamic range (A-Weight) ) was astounding.
I have literally set up ambushes for people as I could now hear them long before I could see them. I re watched movies as the sound was now so much better.
As my system is a little old, do some research on the new sound cards and headphones. In this category, you get what you pay for.
Gaming is a very visual medium no question, but add realistic sound for a total package. Nothing gets your heart beating faster than hearing something before you see it.
Make sure to disable on board audio in the bios. I have had zero problems with my card.
Message edited by lljones on 09-01-2009 at 06:13:37 PM
Thanks for the detailed response, it helps a lot - you recommended a couple items from EVGA - not to make a stupid question (though it may be) - is this a high quality company? I would rather spend a few dollars extra to get components from a great manufacturer - but if EVGA is tested and approved by gamers then I have no problem using them, especially if its less cost.
Still welcoming more thoughts, on my post and the gentleman's following - thanks a lot guys!
The evga motherboard listed above is probably better if you are sticking with Nvidia graphics cards. This one is a bit cheaper and will SLI Nvidia or Xfire ATI cards (the evga doesnt say it supports xfire, so I assume it doesnt).
Just some random musings. You said you didn't want to go overboard, and with the suggestions gkay gave you, you really aren't. But IMO, the i7 is overboard for a gaming rig. Is it the best? Yep it is. Can you save a lot of money and get similar performance? Yep you can. Now if $1600 is easy for you to part with, knock yourself out and enjoy.
one thing tho you can only use 2 ati cards on this rig as an upgrade in future not 2 nvidia cards so i'd suggest switching too a 4890 but you dont have to
Message edited by obsidian86 on 09-01-2009 at 10:25:20 PM
GIGABYTE GA-MA790GPT-UD3H AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128398 like obsidians ASUS MB - can only crossfire, not SLI. AMD bought ATI so it makes sense to match an ATI GPU (like the 4890) with an AMD CPU.
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBHK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231189 I really couldnt tell you if gskill or patriot is better memory. Lately I have only used corsair.
Message edited by dndhatcher on 09-01-2009 at 10:32:06 PM
Personally I'm liking the i7-920 as you don't need to overclock to get the performance anymore.
what I think people building on budgets should cut out are aftermarket CPU coolers unless there's a good reason to move off stock, which handles stock speeds just fine.
That said, I just picked up a Hyper 212 plus for $22 which is much quieter than stock while providing better cooling according to many reviews (that was my reason, I want a quiet, powerful computer since I use it for work more than play).
overclocking has become useful these days in work and play its not just for fun anymore if that overclock cuts render time,calculation time ect that aftermarket hsf comes in handy
obsidian86's alternate AMD build is good, except that it makes absolutely no sense to pair an Nvidia GPU with a 750W PSU and high-end 790FX motherboard that doesn't support SLI. If you decide to go the AMD route, I would swap the motherboard for the 790GX board suggested by DNDHATCHER and get an ATI HD4890 so you have the option of adding another GPU in crossfire later on.
Personally I'm liking the i7-920 as you don't need to overclock to get the performance anymore..
My thinking is the exact opposite. The I7-920 is trivial to overclock. Why would anyone buy an I7 without getting an aftermarket cooler for overclocking.
And I agree with short, if you get an NVidia graphics card with a Mobo that wont SLI then a good 550-650W PSU is all you should need.
Message edited by dndhatcher on 09-01-2009 at 11:06:13 PM
This one is a bit cheaper and will SLI Nvidia or Xfire ATI cards (the evga doesnt say it supports xfire, so I assume it doesnt).
Just one clarification off-topic. All X58 boards are Crossfire enabled. Only for SLI you need a key in the BIOS (companies have to pay $30.000 to Nvidia plus a tantum every board to enable it). So no need for specification of CF, it's always there .
Selea is right, all X58 chipset boards support crossfire. Just like the X38 and X48 boards before them. Crossfire support just goes without saying on all the enthusiast level Intel chipsets that start with an "X".
Selea is right, all X58 chipset boards support crossfire. Just like the X38 and X48 boards before them. Crossfire support just goes without saying on all the enthusiast level Intel chipsets that start with an "X".
Thanks, I didnt know that.
Between that and ATI seeming to have their act together now they are with AMD I am thinking they may become the GPU of choice for the next few years.
Message edited by dndhatcher on 09-02-2009 at 12:29:03 AM
Thanks again guys, some good options here. I may just bit the apple and get the i7-920 anyway - it always makes me smile to feel the power...if only for a little while