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September 3, 2009 5:36:09 AM

Hi, im rebuilding a new computer for myself since my old one was fried thanks to lightning. It's primarily for gaming, watching movies, and general use. I've done quite a bit of reading and research, reviews, etc to try and catch up on todays hardware...and this is what i've pretty much come up with.

Links supplied are from NCIX.com and therefore in CDN dollars. I wont be ordering everything from here, or anything if i can find it close by. If you're suggesting a different part thats not available on NCIX, any website is fine and i'll try to find it myself.

CPU:
Looking to do some OCing here. As i've read everywhere that the D0 stepping of the 920 OCs very well. I dont know how far i should expect it to OC, im thinking between 3.8-4.2 would be nice.
Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping
$350

CPU Heatsink:
With the previously mentioned OC expectations, my past experience with this CPU heatsink leads me to believe that this will do the job? Im also open to suggestions for better ones.

Thermalright ULTRA-120 BLACK
$72
OR
[Taking other suggestions]

Motherboard:
Here i find that the ASUS P6TD Deluxe has everything i want as far as backplate components. Features, im not really sure whats good and what isnt. I have, however, heard stories that since ASUS makes it's boards in China, the build quality is much lower than that of Gigabyte. Also, how do these boards OC with the i7 920 D0?

Gigabyte EX58-UD5
$322
OR
Gigabyte EX-58-UD4P
$272
OR
ASUS P6TD Deluxe
$335

Memory:
NCIX has a deal on these, and they seem to be the #1 rated RAM for sale there. The timings seem good, but how well would they perform with my mentioned OC requirements?

Corsair XMS3 Dominator 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3-1600 CL8-8-8-24
$230
OR
G.SKILL F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24
$133
OR
[Taking other suggestions]

PSU:
I dont plan on doing Tri-SLI or Crossfire, if ANYTHING it would be 2 cards max. Which cards, im not yet sure. Im looking for some modular here, as cable management is something im picky with.
Corsair Professional HX850W 850W
$230
OR
Corsair Professional HX750W 750W
$200
OR
[Taking other suggestions]

Video Card:
Im not a super hardcore graphics gamer at max resolution. I do love my games, and this is what this computer will primarily be for. I only have a 20.1" monitor (Max res 1680x1050), but someday i will get a bigger one. I also have a 42" HD TV that i watch bluray rips on (max res 1920x1080). Gaming on the tv is a little difficult, as i find there is a SLIGHT delay between keyboard/mouse actions and results on the TV. Not sure what caused this before, but i had an 8800GTS 512 and i dont think it was the problem. It's probably just because its a TV and not a monitor.
In any case, with the above in mind, im thinking something like:
-GTX260
-GTX275
-GTX280
-GTX285
Im not fond, nor educated on ATI products, so im not sure how they compare.
Im in need of suggestions here!

Case:
Im coming from a Thermaltake Armor VA8000B. This case sits right under my wall mounted TV. The case itself is actually on a TV stand. Many of the wires are routed under my floors to the otherside of my room where my desk/monitor/etc is. The point being, i want a nice flashy case that looks appealing, has good airflow and is tidy inside, as well as quiet.
Some cases that i've already looked at are:

-Corsair 800d
-Silverstone Fortress
-Silverstone TJ07
-Silverstone TJ09
-Coolmaster ATCS 840
-Lian Li V1200 (The wheels on this case might make it troublesome since its sitting on a wooden TV stand. IE, might roll off? Or does it have a wheel lock?)

Case Fans:
Since this is going to be in the main room of my house, id like my fans to be as quiet as possible when doing things such as watching movies. For this, id probably need a fan controller. What id really like to know is what are todays top end case fans and supply a strong amount of airflow but are still silent?

I know there must be tons of these posts all the time, but any suggestions or help is appreciated.

My budget for this PC is AROUND $2000CDN.

Thanks!!!

PS:This is what my old setup looked like.

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a b 4 Gaming
September 3, 2009 6:44:54 AM

Here is a list...

1. Mobo - All the listed mobo are very good and can overclock that D0 to 3.8-4.0 GHz with the right cooler and settings...

2. RAM - The Dominator are more apt for overclocking...
I would suggest this Dominator over that one...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40722&vpn=TR...

I would choose any of these over that GSkillz... - Reason - Better timings and Even these RAM sets are more than suffice for that overclock...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38304&vpn=TR...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40135&vpn=TR...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35343&vpn=99...

PSU - 750HX...It is more than suffice for 2 card setup...

Video card - The GTX 260 Core 216 is a very good option for your current resoltuion...
And newer ATI cards will be launching by this October and Nvidia cards by the Year end...So investing in cheaper of the lot - GTX 260 is more apt...

CASE - All the listed cases are very good...It is more of a personal choice...So choose which visually appeals you...
And just a note... That CM ATCS 840 is a simple looking case and not flashy one...
This case might interest you...
SILVERSTONE RAVEN RV02-BW
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Dint find this one in your list...
COOLER MASTER Stacker 830
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
a b 4 Gaming
September 3, 2009 8:05:50 AM

Here is a build that will run quiet yet run cool. This set up will get you a nice over clock ... reviews here have shown that 3.4GHz - 3.8GHz is the ideal over clock for the i7 920 with 3.6GHz being the "sweet spot". The RAM in this build won't hold you back for an o/c in that range.

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38996&vpn=RC-922... $145.99 CAD
Coolermaster Haf 922 Mid Tower ATX Case Black 5X5.25 5X3.5INT Front Audio USB eSATA No PSU

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38649&vpn=CMPSU-... $199.99 CAD
Corsair Professional HX750W 750W ATX 12V 62A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42433&vpn=X58%20... $226.86 CAD
ASRock X58 Extreme ATX LGA1366 DDR3 4PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 Quad CrossFireX Quad SLI Eup Ready Motherboard

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38881&vpn=BX8060... $349.71 CAD
Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 -SLBEJ-

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38881&vpn=BX8060... $38.96 CAD
Scythe Mugen 2 Heatpipe CPU Heatsink LGA1366 LGA775 Socket AM2 120MM

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26895&vpn=MX-2T&... $9.99 CAD
Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound Paste NON-ELECTRICAL Conductive 4 Gram

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35710&vpn=OCZ3G1... $119.99 CAD
OCZ Gold OCZ3G1600LV6GK 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 CL 8-8-8-24 Triple Channel Memory Kit

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=37633&vpn=BFGEGT... $262.82 CAD After Mail In Rebate: $232.82 CAD
BFG GeForce GTX 275 OC 896MB GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34286&vpn=WD6401... $76.99 CAD
Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN SATA Hard Drive OEM 5YR Mfg Warranty

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=41501&vpn=SH-S22... $34.48 CAD
Samsung SH-S223B/BEBE 22X DVD+-RW SATA DVD Writer Black OEM

Total: $1,466.18 CAD | $1,436.18 CAD w/mail in rebates

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22438&vpn=66I-01... $119.99 CAD
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... $239.99 CAD
ASUS VW246H Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/landing/haf922/ <--- Cooler Master HAF 922

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/landing/haf922/review.p... <--- Professional reviews of that case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <--- Customer reviews of that case

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cheap-x58-motherboa... <--- Professional review of that AsRock X58 Extreme mobo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <--- Customer reviews of that AsRock mobo

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2736/scythe_mugen_2_cp... <--- Scythe Mugen 2 review

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1053/5/ <--- Scythe Mugen 2 review

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-275,226... <--- gtx 275 review

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=1164#Scyt... <--- Scythe fans are known for running quiet not to mention they are a quality product.
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September 3, 2009 9:46:01 AM

Lets see what I can do to help you out on this Build.

Go with the Core i7 920 with DO Stepping.
Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 -SLBEJ- $349.71 CAD

Here is another x58 mobo that you should check out.
ASRock X58 Extreme ATX LGA1366 DDR3 4PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 Quad CrossFireX Quad SLI Eup Ready Motherboard $226.86 CAD
Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Socket 1366 Intel X58 $318.99 CAD

Your Asus mobo choice.
ASUS P6TD Deluxe X58 LGA1366 DDR3 i7 3PCI-E16 2PCI 2GBLAN SLI CrossFire 1394a eSATA Motherboard $334.99 CAD

*note:Most Mobo's are made in China/Tawain, that even includes Gigabyte.

Power Supply
Corsair Professional HX750W 750W ATX 12V 62A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan $199.99 CAD

Some other Case for you to look check out.
Zalman GS1000 Black Aluminum ATX Tower Case 4X5.25 6X3.5INT No PSU Front USB Firewire Audio $190.48 CAD
Zalman GS1000 Plus Black Aluminum Full ATX Tower Case 4X5.25 6X3.5INT No PSU Front USB E-SATA Audio $299.99 CAD
Zalman GS1000 indepth Photo's from Zalman website

Some Lower Cas Ram you also should check out.
Mushkin XP3-12800 Redline 6GB 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL6-7-6-18 240PIN DIMM Triple Channel Memory Kit $221.37 CAD

Mushkin Redline Ascent 6GB(3x2GB) 240-pin XP3-12800 DDR3-1600MHz, (6-7-6-18) Triple Channel Kit (998692) $231.00 CAD

Corsair XMS3 Dominator TR3X6G1600C7D 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 7-7-7-20 Core i7 Memory Kit $230.30 CAD

CPU Coolers' you need to check out.
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 1366RT Heatpipe Cooler LGA1366 120MM Fan FDB 1600RPM $77.48 CAD
Scythe Mugen 2 Heatpipe CPU Heatsink LGA1366 LGA775 Socket AM2 120MM $38.96 CAD

Graphic Cards
Weekly Special EVGA GeForce GTX 275 633MHZ 1792MB 2.26GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card (017-P3-1175-AR) $299.99 CAD After $20.00 Mail In Rebate

BFG GeForce GTX 275 OC 896MB GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card (BFGEGTX275896OCE) $232.82 CAD After $30.00 Mail In Rebate

Thermal Compound
Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound Paste NON-ELECTRICAL Conductive 4 Gram $9.99 CAD

Optional 120mm Case fans, imho you should go with either of these two from Scythe.
Scythe Slip Stream Kaze Jyuni 120MM Fan 1600RPM 88.1CFM 33DBA $8.74 CAD
Scythe Slip Stream Kaze Jyuni 120MM Fan 1900RPM 110.3CFM 37DBA $8.31 CAD

Use some of your choices and also gave you more then a few choices on parts. Using your choices for CPU, Mobo, PSU, Corsair Dom Cas7 ram, Thermalright Ultra120 extreme RT CPU Cooler, Evga Grapic card, thermal Compound and Zalman GS000. Parts come around $1850 CAD before shipping costs.

Hope this helped you out some.

September 3, 2009 4:36:05 PM

gkay09 said:
Here is a list...

1. Mobo - All the listed mobo are very good and can overclock that D0 to 3.8-4.0 GHz with the right cooler and settings...

2. RAM - The Dominator are more apt for overclocking...
I would suggest this Dominator over that one...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40722&vpn=TR...

I would choose any of these over that GSkillz... - Reason - Better timings and Even these RAM sets are more than suffice for that overclock...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38304&vpn=TR...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40135&vpn=TR...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35343&vpn=99...

PSU - 750HX...It is more than suffice for 2 card setup...

Video card - The GTX 260 Core 216 is a very good option for your current resoltuion...
And newer ATI cards will be launching by this October and Nvidia cards by the Year end...So investing in cheaper of the lot - GTX 260 is more apt...

CASE - All the listed cases are very good...It is more of a personal choice...So choose which visually appeals you...
And just a note... That CM ATCS 840 is a simple looking case and not flashy one...
This case might interest you...
SILVERSTONE RAVEN RV02-BW
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Dint find this one in your list...
COOLER MASTER Stacker 830
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


Thanks so much for the response.

For the RAM that you mentioned, this one:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40722&vpn=TR...
Would this be the equivalent on this website:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

The only reason i ask is because of the huge price difference, and the fact that NCIX doesnt supply a picture. It also has no forum messages or reviews, so thats why i was looking at Newegg.ca.

Ill take a look at some of the other ram modules you listed too.

As for the video card, GTX260...i was looking forward to a 275GTX at least. Im coming from a 8800GTS 512MB, so im also curious as to what i should expect in terms of increased performance over that. I heard about the new ATI cards coming out soon, but the thing is...is this is an insurance claim..and i need to rebuild it asap so i can send the receipts to the insurance company. because of that, i cant really wait for the new cards. so i'd rather get a good one now, rather than wait.

Case: haha i actually like the raven. i was looking into the V1 of it, and then later the V2. HOWEVER...if you look at my setup picture, the raven case v1 has the cords coming out the top, and the v2 is reversed. as a result..the cables coming up from under my carpet will be at least 1-2 feet too short >_<

PS> I will get to the other posts in a bit, i dont have time right now...but thanks!

September 3, 2009 5:26:06 PM

for the price of a 260gtx you could get the ati 4890
September 3, 2009 6:58:07 PM

ryanmission said:
Thanks so much for the response.

For the RAM that you mentioned, this one:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40722&vpn=TR...
Would this be the equivalent on this website:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

The only reason i ask is because of the huge price difference, and the fact that NCIX doesnt supply a picture. It also has no forum messages or reviews, so thats why i was looking at Newegg.ca.

Ill take a look at some of the other ram modules you listed too.

PS> I will get to the other posts in a bit, i dont have time right now...but thanks!


The Ram that Why_Me suggested is this one.
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB TR3X6G1600C7D G

And yes they are similar to each other in Cas, but the XMS3 runs a bit hotter then the Dominator.
September 3, 2009 9:49:44 PM

obsidian86 said:
for the price of a 260gtx you could get the ati 4890



Is a 4890 better than a 260GTX? I really dont follow ATI or AMD brands at all. Im the Nvidia/Intel guy...dont know why...i just grew up like that...built all my machines like that...and never had any problems!
September 3, 2009 10:04:12 PM

Yea the 4890 is ATI's equivalent to Nvidia's GTX 275. It is a little cheaper then the 275 and the driver support for it is extremely good. Can't go wrong with a 4890 IMO.
September 3, 2009 10:10:22 PM

waynec121 said:
Yea the 4890 is ATI's equivalent to Nvidia's GTX 275. It is a little cheaper then the 275 and the driver support for it is extremely good. Can't go wrong with a 4890 IMO.


I just read Tom's review on these cards. It looks like the 4890 beats out most of the cards in its price range at my resolutions. 1920x1080 and under = HD4890. anything higher than that and they say the 275+ is better.

Thanks for this tip...but im still scared of ATI haha. its a dark mysterious world :o 
September 3, 2009 10:23:06 PM

haha there is absolutely no reason to be scared of ATI. The only reason to not choose a 4890 over a gtx 260 for the same price is because of being a hardcore fanboy. I would say you should go with a 4890 or a gtx 275. The 4890 will be a little cheaper and again there is no reason to be scared of ATI. If anything you should be thanking them for offering such a great product.
September 3, 2009 10:30:10 PM

waynec121 said:
haha there is absolutely no reason to be scared of ATI. The only reason to not choose a 4890 over a gtx 260 for the same price is because of being a hardcore fanboy. I would say you should go with a 4890 or a gtx 275. The 4890 will be a little cheaper and again there is no reason to be scared of ATI. If anything you should be thanking them for offering such a great product.


lol, do you know anything about the new ATI cards coming out..? i think they're the 5xxx series...i read somewhere September 10th?

if so, i can def wait until then to purchase a card...especially if it pushes other card prices down or releases better ones at the same price range.

I just got a cheque in the mail from my insurance company. turns out they dont want receipts...so they gave me $2500 on the button for a computer i built about 2 years ago lol. it was a:

E4300
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
GA-965P-DS3
Corsair XMS2 2x2GB DDR2-800
8800GTS 512
Enermax Liberty 620w

Pretty good free upgrade huh?
September 3, 2009 10:45:47 PM

I might go on a splurge here.

Are there any cards that have 1xHDMI and 2xDVI

ive seen 1xS-video and 2xDVI..but no HDMI.

Im going to increase my budget to about $2500 MAX...so i might just throw in a new monitor or something.

EDIT: Incoming NOOB question.

Do SSD's install just like normal hard drives...or do i need some sort of mounting bracket...?

Now that i think of it i might have answered my own question. 2.5" drives need a mounting bracket, 3.5" drives dont?

I dont see any (reasonably priced) 3.5" drives though...so i assume i'll need to find a mount for a 2.5" if i bought one..?

thx
September 3, 2009 10:59:00 PM

Just a little advice if you are going to use NCIX.

Always check out the weekly sales page because I noticed you linked the regular price pages and some of the products you listed are on sale and are much cheaper.

They have new sales every Wednesday in the evenings. NCIX will also price match and usually you can get the better deal.

Use search engines like http://hardwarecanucks.pricecanada.com/index.php or http://shopbot.ca to compare prices and products.

Good luck!
September 4, 2009 2:05:13 AM

Why wasting 300$ for a motherboard especially when you can have everything that you want for 100$ less?
September 4, 2009 2:51:18 AM

redgarl said:
Why wasting 300$ for a motherboard especially when you can have everything that you want for 100$ less?


can you elaborate a little more please?

which motherboard do you recommend?

thx
!