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September 3, 2009 3:15:23 PM

Hello, I am planning to spend ~4000$ on a air cooled rig. No water cooling because that would be even more expensive. So far this is what I've planned:

[[FINAL BUILD]]

- 2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
- Hanns·G HH-281HPB Black 28" 3ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
- 2x Crossfired 5870's from XFX ( just got em from NCIXUS.COM) =D
- Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1800 MCE Kit 1128 PCI-Express x1 Interface
- HT | OMEGA CLARO 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card
- Corsair HX1000 Power Supply
- Lian Li PC V1100 Mid Atx Case
- Logitech Z5500 speakers
- Logitech 920-000914 Black Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard
- Logitech G9 Black 5 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB Wired Laser Gaming Mouse
- CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D
- EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
- Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601950
- Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
- Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD)
- RAZER Carcharias 3.5mm Circumaural Professional Gaming Headset
- LITE ON Dvd and BluRay Drives

that's it so far... what do you experts think...?? any changes?? possible compatibility issues??

* Since Newegg stopped selling the LianLi case please help me change it for any other case of the same category and specs. I'm looking for a SILENT and SOLID case, even better if no case windows or fancy lights are present.


Thanks
September 3, 2009 3:37:52 PM

What is the difference with the i950 are those two the same specs but at a diff price? Im looking for FPS here wince this will be a gaming pc.

Also, anny suggestions on the Case?
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September 3, 2009 4:03:56 PM

Clock Speeds are the difference with the i920 and i950. Overclock the i920 and you will be right with the i950! Dont waste money!

I personally use an Antec 1200 and love it.
September 3, 2009 4:10:08 PM

Ok so Im changing to the I7 920 based on jt's suggestion. I'll overclock it and reach the 950 specs anyway.
Thanks jt

September 3, 2009 4:10:44 PM

EVGA CLASSIFIED! x4 SLi :sol: 
September 3, 2009 4:12:31 PM

I looked into it but it doesnt fit my needs since I need an available PCI port for the sound card. And with the classified x4 sli the PCI port is useless when you use SLI
September 3, 2009 5:01:08 PM

charlieyv said:
I looked into it but it doesnt fit my needs since I need an available PCI port for the sound card. And with the classified x4 sli the PCI port is useless when you use SLI



Er, that would only be true if you had decided to invest in 4 graphics cards, with a mere 3, you'd still have room to spare.

With that said, I don't think anyone would recommend this board unless your just going for overclocking records.... its just insane there is absolutely no point to this board.

I would also say grab a cheaper set of ram, the dominators are good, but are too overpriced when compared to other cheaper ram that can perform close for a graction of the price.
September 3, 2009 5:18:45 PM

1. You CAN build a VERY good i7 rig for $1200-1500 and even Water cool it if you want.

2. ATI 5xxx cards will be out soon.

3. Intel i5 should be out soon.

4. Just get an i7 920 and OC it. i7 950 is a waste of money.

5. With the money saved building a $1500 build you can upgrade down the road.

6. WAIT till ATI 5xxx and i5 are released.

7. What games do you plan to play on this???
September 3, 2009 5:20:53 PM

silverstone cases are better then lian li cases
September 3, 2009 6:10:31 PM

Shadow703793 said:
1. You CAN build a VERY good i7 rig for $1200-1500 and even Water cool it if you want.

2. ATI 5xxx cards will be out soon.

3. Intel i5 should be out soon.

4. Just get an i7 920 and OC it. i7 950 is a waste of money.

5. With the money saved building a $1500 build you can upgrade down the road.

6. WAIT till ATI 5xxx and i5 are released.

7. What games do you plan to play on this???


Im planinng to play ARMA 2 and FSX

So you advice me to wait till all those are out?? I cant wait to have my computer :( .. I think there is something new due all the time.

My concept was to get the best parts possible on everything... specially graphics and processor.
September 3, 2009 6:46:45 PM

With that budget you should be looking at a 30 inch monitor.

I7 920
Asus P6t V2
2x 5870 Crossfire
Lian Li or Silverstone case
1000HX
Intel SSD
Dell 3008WFP
Z-5500 5.1
September 3, 2009 6:55:41 PM

Yes, but the ATI cards might be out VERY soon. At least the press release very soon, so you can wait until then to decide.
September 3, 2009 6:59:01 PM

wow that monitor Dell 3008WFP is 1400$ !!!! Please tell me what's wrong with the T260HD??? it is 26'' so that's not a BIG difference I guess...? at least for gaming...

I want high FPS so running games at 2500x1... resolution is tougher than on a 1900x1200 res I guess
September 3, 2009 7:04:53 PM

Quote:
m planinng to play ARMA 2 and FSX


So you advice me to wait till all those are out?? I cant wait to have my computer :( .. I think there is something new due all the time.


My concept was to get the best parts possible on everything... specially graphics and processor.

FSX is CPU bound. ARMA 2 on the other hand could use a good GPU. Imo, it's a poorly coded game see:

WTH?!!? It's VERY limiting even at 1280*1024. Even Crysis can run better than this :p  and it's got better graphics. If you don't plan to play ARMA II much, I recommend not going for SLI/CrossFire.

At any rate. WAIT. For you esp. the ATI 5xxx cards should help with ARMA 2.

If you want to buy something, get a good LCD, case, and PSU now.

For cases look in to:
Antec 900

Antec 1200

CoolerMaster Scout

CoolerMaster HAF932

XCLIO A380BK (I'v used this only on one build and it was pretty decent; my top pics are Antec 900/1200 and HAF 932)

CoolerMaster COSMOS (Never used this, can't comment on it, It's got a VGA duct which would get in the way for big GPUs)

For PSU: Corsair 1000HX or PC Power & Cooling 910 (both are massive overkill unless going Tri SLI/QuadFire,etc)

For LCD: no idea


September 3, 2009 7:05:24 PM

charlieyv said:
wow that monitor Dell 3008WFP is 1400$ !!!! Please tell me what's wrong with the T260HD??? it is 26'' so that's not a BIG difference I guess...? at least for gaming...

I want high FPS so running games at 2500x1... resolution is tougher than on a 1900x1200 res I guess


The Samsung T260HD is a TN panel monitor, they don't have very good viewing angels or crisp colors.
I suggest you read up on the different panel monitors.

With your budget you really should consider a 30 inch monitor, Not some lousy TN monitor.

If you don't wanna spend $1400 on a monitor, Consider the HP LP2475W. It is a 24in IPS.

EDIT: Consider this 30in from costcos for $999
Dell 3007WFP-HC
September 3, 2009 7:12:36 PM

One more thing I already HATE about ARMA II. It's got SecuROM 7!!!!! AND to top it all off it's got FADE DRM!!! I wold NOT EVER buy a game with TWO DRM measures.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARMA_2

Please consider if you really want to buy a game that essentially installs some thing like a root kit (SecuROM) on your PC .
September 3, 2009 7:23:29 PM

True Creation said:
The Samsung T260HD is a TN panel monitor, they don't have very good viewing angels or crisp colors.
I suggest you read up on the different panel monitors.

With your budget you really should consider a 30 inch monitor, Not some lousy TN monitor.

If you don't wanna spend $1400 on a monitor, Consider the HP LP2475W. It is a 24in IPS.

EDIT: Consider this 30in from costcos for $999
Dell 3007WFP-HC


so the T260HD is a nogo??, wow I thought it was good for gaming . It looked good on the reviews and everything... Dells are expensive thou
September 3, 2009 8:06:18 PM

The dells are expensive because the 3008 wfp uses e-ips panel tech, which is a big step up from any tn panel out there, better color accuracy, better viewing angles, the only place where it may suffer a bit is in the response time, but the input response times are very good from what I hear.

Its basically better in almost every single way, thought dell frequently has discounts on their panels, the 3008wfp frequently goes for less than 1000 if you get lucky with a deal.
September 3, 2009 8:29:06 PM

^ Dude, yeah the Dell's very good, but the OP isn't doing any pro level image editing,etc. A decent 22-24" is fine for gaming.
September 3, 2009 11:02:55 PM

you guys have been very helpful thanks!

one final question... so is the t260hd good for gaming? or it is very worthy to buy a more expensive non tn panel monitor... is the difference that obvious in gaming? I wouldnt like fuzzy or blurry images or ghosting.. but I have a friend with a t260hd and it looks like a regular common monitor.. it does the job?

I was also thinkin about ASUS monitors... but those I guess are TN too? they have good reviews in newegg and they have a 26'' version which is the size im looking for... I'd pay up to 500$ for my monitor..

Tomorrow Ill post a final version of my shoppping cart for you to check out.. I cant right now cuz the cart is saved in my computer at work.

thanks again guys
September 3, 2009 11:17:04 PM

TN isn't very good, It will do ok but it's not worth it IMO.

Here are some very good monitors worth buying.

HP LP2475W

Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP

PLANAR PX2611W

NEC Display Solutions EA261WM-BK

If you don't want to spend to much on a monitor, I would highly recommend the Hanns-G 28 inch. It's a steal for around $300 bucks, But beware it is a TN.
September 3, 2009 11:25:34 PM

^Dude the OP's looking for a gaming LCD. Most you mentioned are overkill.
September 3, 2009 11:28:08 PM

For the OP purpose, I think a TN panel will suffice. Though all of the ones you listed are really really top notch, he could probably save a few bucks by going the cheaper tn route.

Though if the OP doesn't mind paying a few extra bucks for the absolute best quality, theres no reason not the recommend getting those higher end ones.

Just to sum it up, you're going to pay more for a higher quality panel, but it's well worth it. However in the real world where money doesn't grow on trees, the goal is to buy the best that you can afford, so this is all up to you.
September 4, 2009 12:28:30 AM

Thank you so much for your help experts!

another thing.. what is OP? when you say... for the OP purpose...? what is OP?

About the monitor Ill go for a 26'' NEC that I suppose (based on the price) that is not TN! please check it...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

...or for the Hanns·G HG-281DPB Black 28" 3ms Widescreen LCD HDMI Monitor if you can confirm me it is not TN. It says its Active Matrix TFT... whatever that means.. here it is

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


as I said... tomorrow ill post the final config..

changes made based on your opinions were..

- MONITOR from T260HD ---->>to a NEC 26'' A261WM-BK Black 5ms
- PSU from a KINGWIN Mach 1 ABT-1000MA1S 1000W ---->> to a CORSAIR 1000 HX 1000W
- CPU from i7 950 ---->> to i7 920 (I'll overclock and make it better than a stock 950)
- SPEAKERS from Logitech G51 155 watts RMS 5.1 ---->> to Logitech Z-5500 505 Watts 5.1

that's it! :pt1cable: 



September 4, 2009 1:12:48 AM

Good choice on the monitor, NEC makes awesome monitors.

The Hanns G is a TN, but for what you get it is worth it.




September 4, 2009 3:03:26 PM

ok, here it is, FINAL BUILD. it is around $4500 to be exact... but $500 extra is an affordable amount :) 

- Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
- NEC Display Solutions EA261WM-BK Black 26" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
- 2X (in SLI config) EVGA 02G-P3-1186-AR GeForce GTX 285 Superclocked Edition 2GB 512-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported
- Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1800 MCE Kit 1128 PCI-Express x1 Interface
- HT | OMEGA CLARO 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card
- CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC
- LIAN LI PC-V1200Bplus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
- Logitech Z-5500 505 Watts 5.1 Speakers
- Logitech 920-000914 Black Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard
- Logitech G9 Black 5 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB Wired Laser Gaming Mouse
- CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D
- EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
- Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920
- Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
- Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G1 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD)
- RAZER Carcharias 3.5mm Circumaural Professional Gaming Headset
- LITE ON Dvd and BluRay Drives

Thank you for all the tech support!
September 4, 2009 5:22:05 PM

^Wait for the ATI 5xxx cards! DO NOT get that SSD! It's the older G1 SSD. Get a Core Contact Freezer. Get some GSkill DDR3 1600 which are cheaper.
September 4, 2009 7:04:08 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^Wait for the ATI 5xxx cards! DO NOT get that SSD! It's the older G1 SSD. Get a Core Contact Freezer. Get some GSkill DDR3 1600 which are cheaper.


when are these ati 5xxx cards coming? Im a nvidia guy for some reason...
September 4, 2009 8:05:23 PM

charlieyv said:
when are these ati 5xxx cards coming? Im a nvidia guy for some reason...


2-3 Weeks, Waiting will drop the prices of the current cards.

September 4, 2009 8:08:13 PM

allright then I'll wait and get the dx11 ati cards... I was thinking bout dual 5870x2 in crossfire. I've doing some R&D on DX11 and it looks amazing! I'll buy the Case and speakers for now.. jheje.

What is wrong with the SSD? There are not many options right?
September 4, 2009 8:22:45 PM

No, the ssd you listed is a first generation ssd from intel, they have a second generation drive, which have been a big improvement over the first gen ones, and are currently probably the best performing ssds.
September 4, 2009 8:23:09 PM

For that kind of money, you can buy Plutonium for generating electricity while using your computer... seriously.... 4000$... you sure you do not want to buy a car instead?
September 8, 2009 2:19:00 PM

redgarl said:
For that kind of money, you can buy Plutonium for generating electricity while using your computer... seriously.... 4000$... you sure you do not want to buy a car instead?


Can I have the model of the 2nd Generatio ssd drives please?

and... $4000.. yes... I dont pay rent... I dont have a car(dont need one)... I dont pay utilities... my salary is tax free... and I work with computers so... it is just correct to have an awesome computer at home :) :) 
September 8, 2009 2:21:20 PM

Oh and Also I decided to get the Hanns·G HH-281HPB Black 28" 3ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor. Final decision..! hope y'all approve this :) 
September 21, 2009 12:26:29 AM

charlieyv said:
wow that monitor Dell 3008WFP is 1400$ !!!! Please tell me what's wrong with the T260HD??? it is 26'' so that's not a BIG difference I guess...? at least for gaming...

I want high FPS so running games at 2500x1... resolution is tougher than on a 1900x1200 res I guess

I have a dell 2309 with a 4890 asus graphics card ,core I7 920, asus p6t deluxe v2, 2 (320 gig wd hdd's) in raid0,corsair dominator (pc3-12800) clocked at 3.7 stable! antec 900 case, 750 antec psu,thermaltake V1 copper heatsink,LG dvd/cd burner all for 1,536 dollars minus the monitor. I would go with the antec 1200 case for cooling perposses!what i have built i can play any game on the market!
September 23, 2009 1:40:01 PM



[[FINAL BUILD]]

- 2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
- Hanns·G HH-281HPB Black 28" 3ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
- 2x Crossfired 1GB 5870's from XFX ( just got em from NCIXUS.COM) =D
- Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1800 MCE Kit 1128 PCI-Express x1 Interface
- HT | OMEGA CLARO 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card
- Corsair HX1000 Power Supply
- Lian Li PC V1100 Mid Atx Case
- Logitech Z5500 speakers
- Logitech 920-000914 Black Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard
- Logitech G9 Black 5 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB Wired Laser Gaming Mouse
- CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D
- EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
- Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601950
- Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
- Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD)
- RAZER Carcharias 3.5mm Circumaural Professional Gaming Headset
- LITE ON Dvd and BluRay Drives



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