I'm trying to build my first computer that can play games like CS:S with a pretty good fps. However since this is my first ever build I'm not sure if the computer I'm hoping to build soon will be able to play it.
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: In a week or 2 / BUDGET RANGE: Not gonna go over 800$
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Internet
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Mouse, Headset, OS
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Neweggs.com
PARTS PREFERENCES: Don't really mind
OVERCLOCKING: No / Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No
MONITOR RESOLUTION: Don't really mind
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I would like it if the pc would be quiet.
Links to the items you have picked would help a lot
Without those I have a few general observations .
I think the monitor you have picked is 1920 x 1080 resolution . Thats too big a job for a 4850 for gaming unless you are prepared to turn quality settings down . Perhaps the CS:S games are not demanding ?
But generally Id say stick with a 1680 x 1050 resolution 22 inch lcd
You wont need 700 watt psu . 500-550 will be plenty for that build .
The hard drive is OK but for $10 more you can get a samsung F3 500 gig that is waaaaaay faster as well as having extra storage
dont buy an ide dvd drive . A SATA drive instead
never heard of the cooler you have picked , and it looks like a stock cooler for size so I doubt it cools better than the unit thats coming with your cpu
you also have an m-ATX mb listed . Thats fine and it fits in your mid tower case , but a full ATX board will fit too and have more room for expansion
The computer you have there will do fine with CSS, but you can get a lot more for your money with some of the suggestions made here. These will dominate CSS and most new games too. I didn't include a HSF since you don't plan to OC. If you do, its not much to add one later, look at reviews from frostytech.com to see whats cool and whats hot.
Total: $721 amir. That leaves $79 for a case. Case are a personal choice. I prefer to watch for free shipping as the case alone will add $20 if you have to pay for it.
If you want to save another $10, you can get the CPU/Mobo/DVD burner/OCZ 550w Fatal1ty from zipzoomfly.com. Their cases all have free shipping it looks like. You could get an Antec 300 from there for $63 delivered. Total price shopping at both etailers, $772 delivered.
Message edited by skora on 09-05-2009 at 03:14:45 PM
CPU: AMD Phenom 9350e Agena 2.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 65W Quad-Core Processor
CPU
Graphics card: HIS H487FN1GP Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
Graphics card
Total cost including shipping: 796.33$
Hoping that the stock fan the Amd processor comes with will be okay and won't be loud.
Am I missing anything from this build?
Message edited by g36hk5 on 09-05-2009 at 05:14:21 PM
That's kind of the wrong direction on some of the stuff. The original Phenoms are very poor performers. The 550 you had before will do better than the 9350. You have a DDR2 mobo with DDR3 ram. If you are using the stock fan, you won't need the arctic Silver. NZXT isn't a known PSU and quality will be shotty at best. Any PSU that has that red switch on the back isn't worth the cost to ship it. If you're only going with a single card, get the Corsair 550 with the DVD drive combo. Much better quality and $20 cheaper in the end. If you game in the dark at all, the illuminated keyboard combo with the monitor will be a nice upgrade. If you do go with the 1680x1050 Hanns, then you only need a 4850 1gb or 4870 512mb GPU. Outlander, batuchka, and I do a lot of these, so best bet is to stick with the parts we're suggesting. We have nothing to gain by offering up sub standard parts. We all offered up a lot of computer for the price.
Wow I really don't know anything about computers then. I shall just go with Skora's build. Sorry about that since this is soon going to be my first build.
Message edited by g36hk5 on 09-05-2009 at 10:22:03 PM
Hang in there, the only way I learned was asking questions and doing things that made many a vetrans roll their eyes. We all sat at the starting line of knowledge too.
If you didn't want to spend all $800, tell us what you would prefer to spend. We'll try to give good suggestions and what can be cut. For example, you could get the 1680x1050 monitor, the cheap keyboard, and a 512mb 4870 and save $33. With a $40 case, thats only $727 and performance would be similar, just a smaller monitor.
Message edited by skora on 09-06-2009 at 12:26:13 AM
Do you know how to look up combos on newegg? There's a lot of money that can be saved that way.
As for your "real" final build, its a bit unbalanced. The GPU isn't strong enough to properly power that monitor unless you are lowering settings. When I spec out a build, I start with the monitor. Lets look at the 1920x1080 that is picked. That's 2.1 million pixels to calculate. A 1680x1050 is only 1.76 million. The 4850 512 has a hard time with 1.76 million and is really lost at 2.1. The 4870 has a little trouble at max settings at 2.1. For the price, the 4870 1gb is a great match for 1920x1080. The 4850 1gb is a good match for 1680x1050, but I'd prefer the 4870 512 for that resolution. Most any monitor will look great for gaming. This article will explain that most all the monitors will do the job very well. http://www.anandtech.com/displays/ [...] i=3584&p=2
As for that PSU, not a good pick. Since you only have 1 pcie 2.0 x16 slot, the most any GPU will need for the type of gaming you do is 550-600w for the top end cards in the resonable price bracket. Kinwin is far from quality. The efficency alone is a clue of quality. Take a look at Proximon's Big List of Recommended Parts. Won't find it on there. For the price, the Corsair 550w is a great unit and if you do go with a 4850, the OCZ 500w is good too.
If you can balance out the monitor/GPU/PSU, you're going to have a good build. Take our recommendations with a little more weight, they are good choices.
So your saying that I should replace the power supply, the monitor and the cpu if I want to keep the 4850?
The 4850 just isnt powerful enough to get good frame rates and high quality settings on a monitor with a resolution that high . It would be ok with a 1680 x 1050 resolution and thats an option for you to switch to a 22 inch monitor with that resolution .
An alternative is to upgrade the gfx card to a 4870 , and keep the monitor you have listed . There are definite advantages to a 1080p monitor .
This
POWERCOLOR AX4870 512MD5 is only $117 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814131140 and then you can keep the monitor , and game ok
You can even do it without spending extra if you swap out the ASUS motherboard for this identically performing and equal quality Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3 AMD 770 ATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128392 which is only $70 ATM
And the PSU in your list is one rung above being a doorstop , but only because it will be a good conversation peice when your friends ask you why you use it for that
I wouldn't pick the GPU first and build around that, I'd pick the monitor first, then pick a GPU that can properly support it, then a PSU that can run it. On your real last list, you have $342 budgeted for the monitor, GPU, PSU. These are proper balanced parts that will perform better:
1920x1080 monitor and 4870 1gb and 550w quality PSU 1680x1050 monitor and 4870 512mb or 4850 1gb and 550w quality PSU
1920x1080 $160 4870 1gb $126 550w corsair PSU $60 (without combo) or OCZ with a blue light http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341002 Total $346 You'll get much better performance for the same price.
1680x1050 $140 4870 512 $116 550w corsair PSU $60 (without combo) or OCZ above Total $316 if you want to save some money. But you aren't paying for monitor you can't use or a GPU that is too big for the monitor.
Another deal from ZZF that I've found, All you have to do is add these to your cart and the combos apply themselves. Newegg, you have to add the combo as an item.
If you buy these items from ZZF, then from newegg, buy the case $40 Ram $80 Monitor/GPU/PSU $316-$346 HDD $50. And I'd replace the asus mobo for this gigabyte board $70 amir. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128392 S+H $10
Totals: 720 and 1680x1050 setup = $701 720 and 1920x1080 setup = $731 945 and 1680x1050 setup = $751 945 and 1920x1080 setup = $781
Pick how much you want to spend and go with these suggestions or one of the ones listed above if you don't want to shop at multi sites. But that's a lot of computer for the cost.
Message edited by skora on 09-06-2009 at 01:16:54 PM
That looks impressive for the price. Gigabyte also offer a full size ATX motherboard based on the same chipset that I'm looking at myself. It should perform pretty good.
new user here philymcrae
hate to jump in on someone elses thread but can you guys help me. Ive put together a system based on most of these items
is this build gonna be compatible got same budget mainly gonna play sims 3, C&C3: tiberium wars, Footie Manager for now?
althought later i'll be getting some serious games to see how far i can push it
i dont think i can use newegg.com as im in the UK
If anyone knows where to get anything cheaper inc delivery would obviously be much appreciated ive included prices where i could
GRAPHICS CARD Radeon 4870 1gb vapor x (yesterday 07/09/09)
cbccomputers.com had this card advertised at £130.43 delivered now nowhere to be seen just a 2gb version for a much higher price so i'll be shopping around again to see what price i can get for one
HARD DRIVE (would prefer the F3 version but hard to find keeps bringing up 1tb option)
500gb samsung spinpoint
@philymcrae - start your own thread and we'll be glad to help you. Hijacking someone's thread isn't the way to ask for help. Your request for help in your new thread should also follow the format in the "How to ask for new build advice" sticky at the top of the forum.