Amd phenom x3 BE system thoughts

[smartkid95]

I'm plannig on a relatively high end pc I wanted advice from community members. I need one that can handle HD video, gaming, Web browsing with 8 tabs open at once Youtube, video editing, and playing windows media player at the same Time.

The issue I don't want to spend more than 500 bucks on components. I have hard drives and can get ram if I don't have room in the budget from my dads job. any advice much appreciated.

As a idea what could I do with amd phenom II x3 4 gig ram ati radeon 4850 crossfire x

Thanx

 

[Guest]

Please use the "How To Ask For New Build Advice" Format so we can understand your needs a bit better.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

 

[batuchka]

Hmm i'd rather stick to single GPU options with the next gen HD 5k series incoming and the choice of card also depends on your resolution ultimately

 

[godless]

yeah, i second waiting for the 58xx series.

 

[smartkid95]

my resolution would be around 1080p

 

[reconviperone1]

Please use the "How To Ask For New Build Advice" Format so we can understand your needs a bit better.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

Dude, everyone else understood the question, you post a link to how to ask a question, seems a little anal, ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS!, as for the op, the x-3 sounds good, but i personally would want a quad, if that is out of your budget, stick with the x-3, and get 8gb and a 64bit o/s, that should help with everying you want to do.

 

[mognet]

I doubt 8gb is really necessary

 

[reconviperone1]

I doubt 8gb is really necessary

I do the same things he is gonna do, i find it very necessary, especially as cheap as memory is

 

[smartkid95]

I do the same things he is gonna do, i find it very necessary, especially as cheap as memory is

I plan on incresing my memory to 8gb down the road but 4gb would only be a start. Do you have any reccomendations on memory I want to overclock.

 

[reconviperone1]

I plan on incresing my memory to 8gb down the road but 4gb would only be a start. Do you have any reccomendations on memory I want to overclock.

I have an intel based system, but i can vouch for the g-skill ddr2 1066, I have my system running at 3.2ghz from a stock speed of 2.4ghz, but your cpu will run with ddr2 or ddr3, unfortunately i don't have any recomendations for ddr3 since i don't have it.

 

[reconviperone1]

8gb seems a bit much until you actually use it, most of the time you wont, but it comes in handy when you do need it.

 

[Outlander_04]

Dude, everyone else understood the question, you post a link to how to ask a question, seems a little anal, ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS!, as for the op, the x-3 sounds good, but i personally would want a quad, if that is out of your budget, stick with the x-3, and get 8gb and a 64bit o/s, that should help with everying you want to do.

asking for help , and expecting others to willing to give their own valuable time helping out , then the last thing we want is to be wasting our time trying to figure out vague "I wants" .
Its not anal , its about being polite , and thats a lesson you could learn yourself

Your advice to use 8 gig of ram is about as wrong as its possible to get for those uses .

 

[reconviperone1]

asking for help , and expecting others to willing to give their own valuable time helping out , then the last thing we want is to be wasting our time trying to figure out vague "I wants" .
Its not anal , its about being polite , and thats a lesson you could learn yourself

Your advice to use 8 gig of ram is about as wrong as its possible to get for those uses .

Your are absolutely right no one will ever need 8gb, just like no one needed 4gb, a year ago, or 2gb 2 years ago, and you definitely don't need those new fangled dual, or quad core processors. I understood his question, the other people who actually answered the question understood, Whats the problem?, ask the question,get it answered. Done.

 

[reconviperone1]

Are you guys actually gonna answer the guys questions or keep getting your panties in a bunch because he didnt use the proper format? Is it actually gonna hurt the guy to get 8gb, is it hurting you that he is gonna get 8gb. Get over yourselves. To the op, dude have fun with your system.

 

[smartkid95]

I was told by most of my friends I asked that 8gb of ram would be great to run games at fulland to make sure I won't run into any problems when multitasking. on an average day I'll be running firefox with up to 7 tabs playing youtube in three oof those tabs using windows media player while I'm waiting for programs to install Andwaiting for videos to be converted. this is everyday use for me. my current setup 2.8ghz celeron d 1gb ram sucks. I can't do any gaming which pisses me off because I just went out and spent boocoo money on new games and now I can't play them. they won't even start. the pc runs at 70degrees when I'm doing that and idle it runs 60. It chugs along and I might use my PS3 money to start my new pc. As far as the question format goes I don't see what's wrong with how I asked it. Most people understood it I wanted To know how an amd phenomx3 would be for my needs so thats what I asked.

 

[Outlander_04]

I was told by most of my friends I asked that 8gb of ram would be great to run games at fulland to make sure I won't run into any problems when multitasking. on an average day I'll be running firefox with up to 7 tabs playing youtube in three oof those tabs using windows media player while I'm waiting for programs to install Andwaiting for videos to be converted. this is everyday use for me. my current setup 2.8ghz celeron d 1gb ram sucks. I can't do any gaming which pisses me off because I just went out and spent boocoo money on new games and now I can't play them. they won't even start. the pc runs at 70degrees when I'm doing that and idle it runs 60. It chugs along and I might use my PS3 money to start my new pc. As far as the question format goes I don't see what's wrong with how I asked it. Most people understood it I wanted To know how an amd phenomx3 would be for my needs so thats what I asked.

a firefox tab will use a few megabytes . You can run 20 + on one gig of RAM and not be hitting the swap file .

Unless an application is 64 bit it cant use more memory than a 32 bit OS can . There are very very very few programs that are native 64 bit . The only one with any distribution is CS4 , but there are other specialist engineering programs that do to . The OP hasnt mentioned any of them .

Chances of finding a 64 bit game on a store shelf any time soon are not high. And , of course windows limits the system RAM usage to being the same amount as the gfx card RAM in a game . If your gfx card has 512 mb of RAM then Windows uses exactly that amount to run the game .
The only time 8 gig of ram could speed up a game would be if you had a graphics card with 8 gig of RAM AND the game was 64 bit

This memory article where Toms benches an i7 with 3 , 6 and 12 gig is worth a read since they get almost no increase when they install more than 3 gig
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-module-upgrade,2264.html
Some games perform worse with more RAM

There have been some very uninformed posts in this thread , an I doubt the person who made them will smart enough to apologize , but thats no reason for the OP to waste money on another 4 gig of ram he will never need

Now if the OP wants help I suggest he reads that thread about how to ask for help . There is critical information we dont know anything about and offering advice without it is a complete waste of time

 

[reconviperone1]

a firefox tab will use a few megabytes . You can run 20 + on one gig of RAM and not be hitting the swap file .

Unless an application is 64 bit it cant use more memory than a 32 bit OS can . There are very very very few programs that are native 64 bit . The only one with any distribution is CS4 , but there are other specialist engineering programs that do to . The OP hasnt mentioned any of them .

Chances of finding a 64 bit game on a store shelf any time soon are not high. And , of course windows limits the system RAM usage to being the same amount as the gfx card RAM in a game . If your gfx card has 512 mb of RAM then Windows uses exactly that amount to run the game .
The only time 8 gig of ram could speed up a game would be if you had a graphics card with 8 gig of RAM AND the game was 64 bit

This memory article where Toms benches an i7 with 3 , 6 and 12 gig is worth a read since they get almost no increase when they install more than 3 gig
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-module-upgrade,2264.html
Some games perform worse with more RAM

There have been some very uninformed posts in this thread , an I doubt the person who made them will smart enough to apologize , but thats no reason for the OP to waste money on another 4 gig of ram he will never need

Now if the OP wants help I suggest he reads that thread about how to ask for help . There is critical information we dont know anything about and offering advice without it is a complete waste of time

I dont know why this dude, is talking 32 bit o/s when i clearly stated you will need a 64 bit o/s, I don't know why they are hellbent of preventing you from getting 8gb, which is like 100 bucks, but smartkid, i do the things you want to do on your computer,gaming,encoding,photoshop, multimedia, and while it did run ok with 4 gb, with 8 gb it's smooth sailing, thats not a benchmark, its a real world fact. Let me know how your system works out smartkid. and there was nothing wrong with the way you asked the question.

 

[smartkid95]

exactly how far should I expect to get

 

[smartkid95]

with 500 dollars

 

[mognet]

Ok going back to the original question, I run a similar system that I bought a few months back. PII 720 BE overclocked to 3.5 Ghz, 4Gb ram and dual 4770s (they were cheaper than the 4850 back then).

I have had it running with games in windowed mode, videos and browser windows in the background and everything runs fine.

As to the RAM issue, yeah if you are going to do heavy media editing you may overflow 4gigs but honestly if you are doing anything that heavy surely you'd be looking at a more powerful system than a PII x3 base. 2 2gb sticks will run more reliably in a dual channel board. Yes you can get 2x4 running but it is more difficult to get a good overclock and still be stable and i can say with 99% certainty that a decent CPU overclock will offer a bigger performance increase than going from 4 to 8 GB ram.


So from the sounds of it a decent MB sporting a moderate OC on a 720 BE with dual 4850s should handle what you want to do

 

[smartkid95]

Ok going back to the original question, I run a similar system that I bought a few months back. PII 720 BE overclocked to 3.5 Ghz, 4Gb ram and dual 4770s (they were cheaper than the 4850 back then).

I have had it running with games in windowed mode, videos and browser windows in the background and everything runs fine.

As to the RAM issue, yeah if you are going to do heavy media editing you may overflow 4gigs but honestly if you are doing anything that heavy surely you'd be looking at a more powerful system than a PII x3 base. 2 2gb sticks will run more reliably in a dual channel board. Yes you can get 2x4 running but it is more difficult to get a good overclock and still be stable and i can say with 99% certainty that a decent CPU overclock will offer a bigger performance increase than going from 4 to 8 GB ram.


So from the sounds of it a decent MB sporting a moderate OC on a 720 BE with dual 4850s should handle what you want to do

When you say media editing I handle HD videowith it and I also am going to need It to be able to broadcast live internet streams in high res. Is there another base that you can suggest to help with that. also video editing is just a side thing my main purpose would be music editing and heavy multitasking. I also wanted to do a little gaming because I might have mentioned it in this post but I just got like 5 new pc gamews That I now can't play. nSo do you have a reccomendation? (BTW I wanted to stay away from core i7 for cost and budget reasons but I wouldn't mind sacrificing vga cards for a while )

 

[mognet]

While time will still tell the reviews for the new i5 seem promising. Are you planning to overclock? It is really the best way to get good performance for your money

 

[smartkid95]

While time will still tell the reviews for the new i5 seem promising. Are you planning to overclock? It is really the best way to get good performance for your money

Overclocking? Do you have to ask that question? of course I'm overclocking I'm planning on water cooling and I have a bajillion case fans ready to go.

 

[mognet]

You are planning on using a water cooling system but are limiting yourself to $500 on CPU MB and GPU?

 

[smartkid95]

You are planning on using a water cooling system but are limiting yourself to $500 on CPU MB and GPU?

not exactly the gpu can be sacrificed for mother board.