GT300- Next generation Nvidia 40nm chip yields are fine

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15689/1/

Senior manager confirmed


After a lot of rumours about bad yields with GT300, Nvidia has decided to talk to us and give us a simple quote about the state of its next generation 40nm product line.

Senior manager from Nvidia has told Fudzilla that “Our (Nvidia’s) 40nm yields are fine. The rumors you are hearing are baseless.”

This comes after some stories that GT300 yields are really bad and that next generation Nvidia is in really bad shape. According to AMD’s competitive analysis team, only nine chips should work per wafer, but they got this number due to a bad translation and we can definitely dismiss this number as completely inaccurate information.

As we've said before, the chip we call GT300 is a completely new design and it simply could not come out earlier. Nvidia certainly doesn’t like the fact that ATI is first with new technology again, but it comforts them that they can make its DirectX 11 faster.

You can expect a lot of architectural changes - the chip is completely redesigned and much faster than the GT200 generation. We would not be surprised if Nvidia starts talking about the chip ahead of official announcement as it currently hurts from positive Radeon 5870 reviews around the globe.

Nvidia can say lots of things but i m not gonna believe anything from them until i see any kind of pre released benchmarks or numbers. I would believe but after they have done so many miscreant things that clearly shows how they see their money over consumers i dont believe anything that is coming from them now. I pretty much think that because of 5870 beating their 285 and sometimes even 295 Nvidia now talking just to hold some consumers back who are going to buy the 5xxx series. It will be a hard battle for Nvidia even though they win performance wise if they dont price it well and stop talking crap like "our $120 cards are better than their 5xxx series just because we support out of the box Gpu accelarated physics", Nvidia is going to have a very hard time and will loose quite a big amount of market share

When I was looking for news on Nvidias progress all I could find was this :-

if its much faster than gt 200 series than it will beat 5870 like piece of cake

Because the 5800's aren't much faster than the g200's? Oh wait...

people only want faster and if gt 300 is faster why will i buy 5870. there is no any dx 11 game so why will i hurry and buy 5870 when i can get a faster product a little later

A more realistic alternative is Nvidia give up on g300 and simply shrink what they have. G200 shrunk to 40nm should be reasonably competitive vs Evergreen, so long as you don't want dx11, or eyefinity.

I wouldn't say Nvidia's drivers are better now. If anything, ATI's drivers have really closed the gap between some cards. If you compare recent benchmarks to older ones, you'll see that the 4890 matches the 285, and the 4870x2 matches the 295 quite often.

Drivers are no longer an issue, ATI have worked hard in that area.

On your other point, it doesn't matter that they have tested ATI's cards. If you believe what fudo is saying, these are already taped out. If that is true, g300 is what g300 was a few months ago.

For me, it's still very much in the testing stage. I think Nvidia could get it out just before Christmas if they work really hard and get lucky, but in the meantime myself and I guess a couple of million others will be playing on 5870's and 5850's.

That is true john, and something that I'm worried about. The 5870 was able to only match the GTX295. They tried to beat it, and fell a bit short. It is a cheaper card, so I'll give it a bit for that, but pure performance wise, its failed. The problem is if the one rumor I've heard about GT300 is true, that Nvidia has 512 shaders on it, then the 5870 won't be a performance card. This means Nvidia will more then double their shaders, and rework the card to have better IPC then GT200. It should be much faster then the GTX295.

Even if the GT300 ends up faster then the GTX295, all is not lost for AMD. First, it WILL be physically much larger then GT200, so even if yields are high they won't get as many per wafer. Second, if GT300 scales down as bad as GT200, Nvidia will have to find a way to bring DX11 to the masses. AMD has a plan to have a full 5xxx line up in place and available by the first few months of 2010, Nividia to our knowledge does not. Last, there seems to be an issue with supply of 5xxx chips, rumored to be partly blamed on TMSCs 40nm process. If this is true, then I see no reason why Nvidia won't be effected as well.

I also agree that until we see a lot more from Nvidia, anything we hear from them probably comes from the PR dept, trying to hold on to whatever they might have left.

you can play on current gen cards almost everything on very high. there is a lot games in dx 9 like cod and it will be a lot more because of consoles. So nvidia has a time to beat ati in this round dont worry. its only important who has the faster products

G300 already taped out in May;
http://forums.slizone.com/index.php?showtopic=36615

or maybe it already taped out in June;
http://www.hardware-infos.com/news [...] &sprache=1

oh ok it already taped out in July;
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14857/34/
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/0 [...] tapes-out/

Well good thing nVidia are now telling FUAD directly it taped out in September, it's not like it's ever done that before, but I guess it was all the flying pigs.

Now it only takes about 3 months to get to market, and if it only taped out in September, they might get it to market just before Xmas if they are lucky, and more likely still the same old Q1 2010 that was in the low yields news. In those 'taped out in June' rumours: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquire [...] ed-october , they were talking about the last quarter of 2009 delivery, now it tapes out in September and FUAD still thinks it's coming pre-Xmas, and not the Paper-Launch of the GTX295 in Q1 2010?

If this is all nV has to provide in reply to ATi's launch, they're in worse shape than I thought and about as bad of as Charlie said they were.

They didn't show FUAD a card, nor do a public expo like ATi did long ago, so really we're supposed to just go on their 'word' it's not as bad as people are saying? But they can't even show silicon behind closed doors at IDF?

The HD5870 is out and selling, and the only thing nV has is sly empty leaks to Fuad and anyone else who will parrot it, and the FUD of their Fanbois.

once again i only stand on red teams side because of low power consumption and cheap products compared to the cash thirsty green team. Nvidias won't be out Q4 this year. At best Q1 next year.

I really don't understand all this FanBoi crap, since day one I have bought the better / faster product, people who go on about the Companies Business Ethics and how they go about stuff... honesty?..... who gives a crap, not me, I want a bad ass GFX card that I can play my games on without issues, jess, I'd buy a Russell Hobbs GFX if it was better than everyone elses, and at the moment I have a GTX 295 as its the better card on the market, I personally won't be getting a 5870 as the performance jump is soo minimal I find it pointless to spend £300 for a few extra frames that, visually, i wouldnt even notice, if it was a HUGE jump in performance with DX11, it's a investment and I'd happily upgrade, but as it stands the 5870's havent blown me away and just are not a viable investment (for me anyway) there are no DX11 games to play anyway, but I DO want DX11 for DiRT 2 comes out December

Basically, I'm happy to hang on and see how it pans out and we finally get something from the Green Camp, I'd be a bit gutted to go and spend 300 quid and find out the GT300's are the better card.

... and far better too

+1

Yea totally agree with you EXT64, and if I didn't have my card I'd get a ATi 58xx in a heartbeat, especially if I was looking to upgrade from a older card, it's even worse knowing your going to upgrade and have money burning a hole in your pocket

I was just pointing out the whole FanBoy issue and people sticking with thier favored company, even if its a inferoir product, I just cant see the logic.

1) It is still a little embarrasing that the 295 loses some benchmarks and when it wins, it wins with max 10%, but those are the advantages of newer generations over the older ones.

2) My point exactly. If nVidia manages to come 1st with a good priced card then my money go to them, but until then I base my purchasing on facts, not what fanboys dream and hope the future will bring.

The only way nVidia is going to get another G80 type of generation is to lose the monolitic chip architecture and start making something new. With chips this big the yields will be so small that the final result will be really expensive cards which of course will be the top, but only 100 people will enjoy them. Of course being first has the advantage that morons will follow the company, although they will not be able to afford top tier cards, but they will still have cards from the 'best'. This is the case in my country where the 48xx generation was ignored by people having 8800 GT by saying nVidia is first and not caring for facts. I know people that believe their 8800 cards are better than my 4870. Well, you cant cure stupidity.

I think its better to have a competition because it will bring the price wars in all segments

well not really ...........
its much cheaper
it runs cooler
it runs more quiet
it uses less watts

if u had to buy a new card now whats the point in getting one thats not dx11 those games will come soon plus its got better shading 5.0 etc etc etc

dirext x 11 games out october\november ......... BATTLEFORGE, STALKER, DIRT 2

dont 4get the drivers are like 2 days old

ps its not just about speed as well its also about looks.
the 5870 has a lot of new tech to beef up the looks
when dirext x 11 hits then you will see the difference

ive seen drivers do 10-15 fps difference from nvid and ati. 2 of those and your be laughing ------------------>>>>>>>>>>> <---- see

wait you saying there are no fairies, no way, i saw one yesterday, at the opera i think

I thought Ati won when Nvidia was with the 7xxx Series,
im not sure though, cuz I wasn't into the whole computer thing at that time

yeah, that looks about right...unfortunatly
Am I turning into an Ati fanboy?

Also, this is somethig nVidia hasnt shown, and just only talked about.
Heres some reality nVidia has to beat
http://www.enet.com.cn/article/200 [...] 1550.shtml