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September 9, 2009 1:05:54 AM

Cheap Photoshop and Video Encoding Box. Will the HSF fit? Any incompatibilities?

i7 sockets will always be able to outperform i5 sockets, right ??

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September 9, 2009 3:12:25 PM

I'm assuming you're not going to be doing any gaming at all with the system based on your GPU choice.

That's a big HELL NO! on the PSU. The little red voltage switch and 70% efficiency are a dead give away of a POS. This PSU is the same price and much higher quality.

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail $59.99 - $20 MIR

Your motherboard is out of stock. I would check out this combo instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $322.98 - $15 MIR (Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R + OCZ Platinum 6GB DDR3 1600 RAM with CAS 7 timings)
September 9, 2009 3:30:57 PM

Thanks Shorty! Great advice on the PSU.

BUT - should I really spend more for the Gigabyte? The AsRock should be in stock in a couple days and looks like a much better board. What do I do?
September 9, 2009 3:50:26 PM

Actually, a better idea might be to ditch the LGA 1366 i7 build and get a build around the new LGA 1156 i7. Let me see what I can come up with in the next couple minutes.
September 9, 2009 3:54:03 PM

This build is nearly the same price and would perform better. Just keep in mind that you'll need to use a 64-bit OS to have access to all your RAM.

Intel Core i7 860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $389.98 (CPU + RAM combo)

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $224.98 (motherboard + RAM combo)

ASUS EAH4670/DI/512M/A Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99 - $10.00 MIR

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 - $20.00 MIR

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99

ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $199.99 - $10.00 MIR

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $30.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drives - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $94.99

Total - $1,190.89 - $40.00 MIR's
September 9, 2009 4:15:56 PM

I saw that it was a part time gaming rig too? For that 1920x1080 monitor the 4670 GPU will really struggle.

To get into a more powerful GPU could go with:
Powercolor HD 4870 1GB $125 a/r
GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 $110
Intel Core i5 750 $210

Or you could go with the GA-P55M-UD2 and i7 860 and still get the 4870 too.

With OC'ing (or TurboBoost) the differences between the i7 860 and i5 750 aren't going to be all that great.
Check out this article (and the benchmarks) to look at the trade off in price vs performance: i7 860 / i5 750
September 9, 2009 4:17:28 PM

Thanks for the great recommendations!

However, I thought 1366 was going to be for the higher end CPU's. In the future, will Intel's faster CPU's be 1366 of 1156 ?? I'm really confused....
September 9, 2009 4:40:29 PM

mwinaz3106 said:
Thanks for the great recommendations!

However, I thought 1366 was going to be for the higher end CPU's. In the future, will Intel's faster CPU's be 1366 of 1156 ?? I'm really confused....


The fastest one would be on 1366. 1156 will most likely be for the mainstream and compete directly with AMD.

I think the latest review on this site has a table that compares the different cpus for Intel's new sockets.
September 9, 2009 5:03:41 PM

dragoon190 said:
The fastest one would be on 1366. 1156 will most likely be for the mainstream and compete directly with AMD.
It's not quite that simple - especially when you're considering the 'budget$' most people have to work with. And what they want to do with them.


In that benchmark you see a i5 750 / P55 combo beating the i7 920 / X58.
And you'd expect the i7 860 / P55 combo to be at or just above the i7 950 benchmark.
In almost all of the media content creation bench's I've seen the 15 750 is close to the i7 920, and especially the i7 860/870 surpass the i7 920.

Check the reviews - look at the benchmarks that most closely resemble the way you'll use your machine. Bounce that against your budget. A little bit less media creation power for more gaming satisfaction potential? Thats about how my suggested i5 750 / HD 4870 suggestion rolls out.
September 9, 2009 5:09:28 PM

mwinaz3106 said:
Allot of similiar pricing ~ I guess I want to know what will be most upgradeable in the future, or what board will support the fastest future CPU's ??
It's not easy to point to one socket as being 'most upgradeable'. Both will be around for some time to come. 1366 is definitely the higher end but you 'pay to play' to get into the deeper water there. 1156 and 1366 will both take the next gen 32nm Westmere CPUs from what we're hearing. It's a trade off between what you want and what you can afford.


edit;
here is a list of reviews for the i5 750 & i7 860/870 launch: DailyTech review list
September 9, 2009 5:46:12 PM

The ASRock Motherboard seems to be back in stock today. I wonder with all the p55s out now if it will dissapear in 2 days again or not.
September 9, 2009 6:04:00 PM

OK ~ So it seems when I want to upgrade in 3 years, I'll probably be better off having a 1366 mobo to work with. (I know it's only speculation). At that time, the i7-975 Extreme Edition CPU's should be bargain basement cheap.

Current Bag O' Parts...
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...
September 9, 2009 7:41:46 PM

Planning on CPU uprades seems kind of outdated at this point. The clock speeds on these i5/i7 are the same as the previous core2s which are the same as the original pentium 4. Until CPU MHz starts increasing again, swapping CPUs in the same socket isnt going to provide much benefit if you overclock anyway.

When I think upgradeability now I think in terms of having excess power, space and airflow for adding additional GPUs, Hard Drives, SSDs and RAM to extend the life of the CPU/Motherboard, not replacing the CPU itself.
September 9, 2009 7:45:56 PM

i9 is socket 1366
September 9, 2009 7:58:06 PM

If the idea is to upgrade to a 6 core i9 in a year or two then 1366 isnt a better option, its the only option.

He is talking about 3 years out. At 3 years out we have no idea. The thing to get could be the AM4 socket motherboard with PCIEx32 slots and an HD 6890 Open GL 6 compatible GPU. In any case a 975 isnt a very substantial upgrade to an overclocked 920.
September 9, 2009 8:12:14 PM

Both sockets have an 32nm Westmere upgrade path.
Westmere/Gulftown 32nm 1366
Westmere/Clarkdale 32nm 1156

DNDHATCHER is right that a mid-life CPU upgrade wouldn't be a huge upgrade. It's why most of us with 65nm C2D's aren't rushing to upgrade to 45nm C2Ds.

In 2010 it will be SandyBridge which will be the first likely candidate for a decent CPU upgrade.
As yet there is no info on SandyBridge socket requirements.
September 9, 2009 8:13:32 PM

That's what I'm talking about. In 3 years, I'll be able to just drop in a Gulftown i9, by then they'll be cheap.
September 9, 2009 8:16:05 PM

dndhatcher said:
If the idea is to upgrade to a 6 core i9 in a year or two then 1366 isnt a better option, its the only option.
There will be a 4 core 32nm 1156 socket version of i9 (maybe i8? ;)  )
September 9, 2009 8:16:59 PM

mwinaz3106 said:
That's what I'm talking about. In 3 years, I'll be able to just drop in a Gulftown i9, by then they'll be cheap.
More than likely you'll be drooling over an 8 core SandyBridge that will have been out for almost 2 years.

edit; The 22nm shrink 'Ivy Bridge' will also have been out about a year.
September 9, 2009 8:57:51 PM

I cant see either the 1156 or 1366 having the lifespan that the 775 did. They cant improve performance with higher MHz or more cores on the same size chip anymore, they have to change the architecture to improve. That likely means socket changes every few years to support greater throughput and/or different core architectures.
September 9, 2009 9:35:24 PM

dndhatcher said:
I cant see either the 1156 or 1366 having the lifespan that the 775 did.
I agree. I think Intel will find an excuse to increase it's revenue by requiring a new socket for SandyBridge. For 'technical reasons', of course
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