SATAIII/USB3/PCI-e3/i7X/X68/HD5xxx/GT3xx and others. Input ENCOURAGED!

This is going to be one long post so bear with me to the end
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Do you guys think there would be some updates over the current i7/1366 mobos to the new SATA III and USB 3.0 as they're introduced and the SATA III already found its way to P55 mobos?!!
- How much will they differ than the current ones in other variables like overall and gaming performance?
- Will there be any (sorry for grammar) new chips like NF300 with improved scaling to further increase the X58's PCI-e 2.0 performance for let's say X44 lanes for X16 X16 X8 X8 while still being affordable and without performance hits like in NF200??

- when will the PCI-e 3.0 be introduced as final or even PRE-FINAL! as far as i know sometime in 2011 which doesn't look very (good!), And how much performance will it make over the current PCI-e 2.0 Is it like the doubled perf. from PCI-e 1.1 --> PCI-e 2.0?
- I heard that USB3.0 will offer like 10X the performance of USB2.0 that's 4.8 GB/s vs 480 MB/s And it'll be backward compatible with USB2.0 I'd really like an external USB3.0 HDD (I use WD My passport essential III and play COD4 Online directly from it!!) BUT another question WILL, WILL the Devices engineered for USB3.0 be backward compatible with USB2.0 "ported" mobos??

- Will there be like REV.2 of the i7/1366 to offer the capabilities of the new version of Turbo Mode introduced in Core i5 and i7/1566 chips??

- Any other (Un-Asked) info would be welcomed and much appreciated, Also any questions or thoughts you'd like to share or request (info) by all means do it (Request )

Please don't tell me this is a little "Before-Time" as the rumors and pretty much anything near confirmed is enough for me and pretty much anyone who will get his PC from the USA but his friend got sick and won't return till December!!. So... If you got anything you know don't hesitate to post and share, If you got anything confirmed please provide links to sources ... and also for un-confirmed info's sources.

I didn't know were to put this so chose to put it in the section i visit often the homebuilt systems section, As my thought is people looking at ALL of the computer parts news and benchs will (hopefully - Don't mean any offense ) know enough info to saturate this threads point of discussion.

So just think of it as a schedule for new parts and techs to arrive ALONG with any info you may happen to have or know.

So I hope to see you all sharing and hopefully this thread will get used , See Ya...

PLEASE NOTE: I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS THING LOOK LIKE OFFICIAL "Tom's Hardware" DISCUSSION OR OFFICIAL NEWS IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPEN DISCUSSION THREAD.

Regards.

Just a Quick *Bump*!
Come on guys 35+ Hits an not one single comment , Even say you don't like the topic (IF you don't )

I'm waiting for your INPUT pleeeeeeeeaaaaase participate!

Regards.

Thanks in advance ...

I'll change the SATAIII to SATA 6Gbit/s Also does this mean it's NOT a SATA III (3rd gen) and only an updated version of the current SATAII??
About the USB 3.0 what i know it'll be like this:
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I Could be wrong though

So it's sure going to be backward compatible BUT will it be FORWARD compatible??
Also does the ICH10R in X58 platform have enough juice to power the new USB interface?
Do you know anything about PCI-e 3.0 and will it need a new chip like X68 to provide the enough lanes needed and will it be possible to install PCI-e 3.0 cards in PCI-e 2.0 ports?

I meant 4.8Gbit/s but forgot the "it"
If you know anything else please share.
Also you said

Anyone else??

Best ... (Something good!) (Just i said Regards like 1000 times )

Thanks for that so the SATA 6GBit/s is SATA III With anti-confusion features
Also for the USB 3.0 when it's officially out and ready for marketing to mobos' vendors will they have to wait for a new chip from Intel to power it or does the X58 and P55 already have enough ability to handle it??
Oh, and please re-fresh your page (this one) when you view this message and see the BOLDED sentence in my previous post..

Thanks again.

As far as the 920 being updated with Turbo, I doubt that will happen since that was intended for the i5's and it is not really needed. But who knows what Intel will do....

x16 is more than enough bandwidth for anything you throw at it, specially with the new GPU's dropping soon.. You can even ask the tech's over at EVGA and they will tell you that (P55) x8/x8 is enough bandwidth for any game at any resolution... Again it all comes down to the GPU...Of course you should see a slight gain if you compare x16/x16 to x16/x8 or even x8/x8 but nothing to get exited or brag about...

As far as Sata and USB goes I am clueless, have not really looked into it....

#847
Thanks, so AGAIN what about the USB 3.0 and SATA 6G, I know @OvrClkr you said you're clueless but do you know if Intel is going to release another chipset to provide native support to SATA 6G and USB 3.0 without the need to "lower" the available no. of PCI-e 2.0 lanes and the use of external controllers?!!

For the PCI-e 2.0 I heard that the new HD500 will COMPLETELY saturate the x8 bandwidth while it's still early to see something to come even close to x16 bandwidth and the difference is all in multi-GPU configurations which i'm going to stay away from (and get HD5850) and still the X58 provide me with good future-proof ratio (please no one go mad with this statement) so ...

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About the turbo-mode I was thinking of doing this:

- Lowering ALL Multipliers to the lowest possible (x10 for CPU).
- Increasing the base clock to something like 266MHz (double the default 133MHz) and cutting the multipliers in half.
- Increasing the CPU multi to 11 (11 x 266 = 2.93 GHz)
- Increasing the RAM multi to 6 (6 x 266 = 1592)
- And fining the other things VRAM VCore etc. ..
- Increasing the QPI to 6.4 GHz
- Decreasing the turbo-mode mltipliers to something like this (from x21 x22 default)
4 Cores multi 11 = 2.93 GHz
3 Cores multi 11= 2.93 GHz
2 Cores multi 12 = 3.2 GHz
1 Core multi 13 = 3.46 GHz

It would be much like the Turbo-mode (rev.2) And another Q: Will the bios and components even allow me to go that high for base-clock and that low for the multipliers ?!!

So this was something that I thought of while i was typing so feel free to say no or correct something i like to learn.

Also what about re-routing 2 SATA II ports to one SATA 6G ? For X58 it sounds like a good idea, ha?! As it offers 8 SATAII ports and the new config will be: 6 SATA II and 1 SATA 6G ?! What do you think ?
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Hope to hear you (again ) and "WR2"

Regards

Medo

#993 Thanks, But please refresh the page for the updated edit in the previous post.

Also I was just discussing the P55 as i ABSOLUTELY wasn't going for the P55 and the X58 is currently my ONLY interest.

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If you are interested here's the PC I'm looking at:

Mobo: Waiting for SATA 6G and USB 3.0
CPU: i7 920 D0
RAM: Corsair XMS3 1600MHz Cas7
PSU: Corsair HX850
GPU: Waiting for HD5850
HDD: 1TB SpinPoint F3
Cooler: Corsair Hydro H50
Case: CM HAF 932
Monitor: 22" 1680x1050

It should be able to run COD4,5,6 - Crysis,Warhead,Crysis2 - BioShock 2 - Assassin's creed 1,2 etc.
It should be able to sustain reliability and stability for 24/7 operation when OC'ed (And I'm not joking about this one )
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Regards.

Medo

What about the other post about the turbo-mode solution is it even possible and did i think of it well?!!

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And for the SSD it's kinda expensive (but very very good, i wish i can get that one ).
And my budget can't exceed $1500 for core components .
They said there's going to be a cheap SSD series released by Corsair and Intel, Do you know anything about that??
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EDIT: Press Ctrl+F and look for #847. Read the whole post and share

Medo

Yes!!
So do you think it's going to work? And is it even a good idea?!!, Are my maths correct? Does the multi go that low? Does the Base clock go that high?
Also what about the SATA 6G idea is it reliable?
About OC'ing does void the warranty when done to Intel CPUs?!!

Thanks in advance.

Medo

Yes, But i am not going to upgrade the CPU 6 months after buying it and i can't wait till Q2 2010, Also the i7 920 will be pretty enough for me and the idea you are going to read (see below) will make it even better. BTW what cooler do you suggest for such a config. (The Corsair H50 is never in stock) with HT and the OC'ing mentioned (Room Temps: 33C ~ 37C)

What do you know about SATA 6G and USB 3.0??
Also please use Ctrl+F and look for #847, Read the whole post, And reply (i don't mean anything).

Thanks in advance .

For "OvrClkr" See my previous post.

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The 1366 socket will get the Hex-Core Gulftowns while 1156 will be limited to Quad-Cores due to its dual-channel memory.. So...
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Medo

Thanks for your help so far (and close )

About the SATA 6G and USB 3.0 (Won't ask about something technical so don't worry ) Do you have any clue when will they publish X58 Mobos with them?

For the SATA 6G I personally don't think that it'd be that difficult as the X58 has 4 more lanes that can be used while still maintaining the x16 x8 x8 configuration, So they may use Asus's work around, What do you think about that??

For the USB3.0 I think I'll settle down for a nice cheap PCI-e controller providing like 3 USB 3.0 ports (I Doubt i'll need more!) or even a PCI (non express) would do it.

Thanks for your concern....
Hope i pay back

Medo

When USB 3.0 comes out it will look like this:

Asus P6 X58 Premium

Yes, But the point that I'm to upgrade for is UPGRADEBILITY and Long term compatibility.

So even if the current devices wouldn't benefit from the 2 mentioned interfaces it's always better to have something ahead.

For the SATA 6G i think they'll be on X58 boards soon due to the fact that X58 boards have enough PCI-e 2.0 lanes to make use of 2 SATA 6G ports, I knew it's not a good idea (2 SATAII --> 1 SATA 6G) but i asked anyway also i think this is mainly because the fact that the extra workload will be for the X58 chip which doesn't even have the feature!.

So do you think they'll use the extra x4 PCI-e 2.0 lanes to provide the SATA 6G ports on new X58 boards soon?? Do you have an ETA?

And what solution will they use to implement USB 3.0 into X58 boards?!

For the USB 3.0 I really need it as i use external hard drives a lot and a 7200RPM USB 3.0 would be in my benefit side when i have a PC with a mobo that actually support it, Do you think that Intel will make another chip soon to offer native support to SATA 6G and USB 3.0?

@WR2 Thanks again, Do you know when will this board make it to the market?

Medo

Thanks for the link

So when is Asus's schedule for X58 motherboards lineup refresh??
I read the link but.. you know..

I knew about PCI-e 3.0 but hoped you say something else , I can't wait till 2011 (obviously) and they say that HD5000 are going to saturate the PCI-e 2.0 x8 bandwidth So with x16,x16 provided by X58 chip I'm good to go for another 2 years (Mobo only! ) Can you confirm this??

What's Tegra?
And How would GT300 compare to HD5000 when they come, What do you think??

It better does as I purchased CRYSIS and waiting to buy the new PC (See Sig! )
I agree it can run Crysis but the Q is what IF we tried Crysis maxed with AA and full Res. on one card and using EyeFinity (6 24" monitors at 25*16 each)?!!

EDIT: I found this
It doesn't look good to me as i'm going to get the HD5850 and it's supposed to be an under-clocked HD5870 while they're going to lower the shader count.. ARGHHHGHHH *Cough* Better now.. ARGHHHHGHHHH.........

I'm in section 1 Alpha 2nd floor in the "blablabla" hospital right now they got me for *Cough* *Cough* "Coughing"

Medo

#447

^AFAIK the i9's (aka Gulf Town) will be able to use the X58 chipset with a BIOS update. Of course just like on a E8400 + P35 vs E8400 + P45 there will be a little difference when it comes to max OC,etc on the X68.

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Medo

#527

Yes but at any rate if they drove down the current high-end parts' prices, I WON'T BE GETTING THEM!! , And anyway I can't get anything before Dec. 25th, 2009 So it's not much of a problem

Thanks anyway.

@Shadow703793 Read my previous post (before before )

Everyone share please!!

Medo

What's about the comment ^^^^^ (^5)?

About the HD5000 everywhere when I find a small piece of info about them nothing went higher than 599.99USD for the HD5870X2 at launch (sorry for grammar) So a $799.99 might kill me if I ever saw it on newegg soon
I think ATI wants to take the most of the market's share because when nVidia launches their GT.3xx they'll be the top-end dogs just like what happened with HD4890 vs GTX275 and "nothing!" vs GTX285.

Thanks again.

BTW Have you noticed "OvrClkr"`s absence from the forums? As I need him urgently.

Medo

Why not a i7/1366/X58/ICH11R ?!! It should do it for USB3.0 and SATA 6G.
Also what about 2x QPI interface?
And OvrClkr??
Ctrl+F #993 and reply.

Thanks for your help .

It all depends on the mobo, the cpu usually yields the best results when it has an x21 multi.

So i would say drop the qpi to really low then raise the multi. Then when finished achieving the speed you want fine tune the qpi speed. That would be the best way to overclock a 920....

Warranty? You are overclocking to insane speeds so there goes your warranty!!

If you can't get anything until the end of December why worry about it now? Things will be much different at that time.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21 [...] ard-drive/

Thanks alot gkay09.
Do you think there's going to be a ICH11R ?? For X58 and P55 to support USB 3.0 and SATA 6G...

Medo

I don't trust Marvell, NEC etc. for a controller I'm going to use for a long time..
Beside I don't want like 2 SATA 6G and 6 SATAII, It's not reliable. Also 2 USB 3.0 ports and 10 USB 2.0 doesn't look that good. I want something by Intel for 12 USB 3.0 ports and.. 4 SATA 6G ports would be plenty for me..