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September 10, 2009 9:33:36 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: End of October/Early November (to include Windows 7)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming mostly, surfing and word processing of course, but those don't really count.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, storage HDD

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: amazon.com, newegg.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: please see Wish List (Hyperlinked right here)

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, but fairly light SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe down the line

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I'm fairly comfortable with this build, but I haven't been following hardware news for a while (the desktop I'm replacing is 2.5+ years old and still runs well) from lack of necessity, so obviously a lot has changed. I've done a good bit of diligent research, but some things I'm still not 100% clear on. Here are some of my concerns (in no particular order):

1) GPU: Is 2GB an overkill? I'm leaning toward the card listed because I don't plan to use crossfire in the near future. There is a 1GB version of the same card though.
2) PSU: 750W at 80%+ efficiency should run the system well, I think, but what if I add another 4890 later on?
3) Upcoming hardware: is there something coming out that is either around same price point but better or maybe something that will drop the prices on current selections in the next 3 months? If so, I could probably hold off on purchase to get better value. In particular, I'm worried about overpaying for the SSD, but I'm very tempted to get it anyway (just 64GB to hold the OS and a couple of games I use more often, I'll keep my old HDD for media storage)
4) Price point: are there some things on my list that can be replaced by similar quality/performance parts that cost less? I plan to compare my final list against newegg prices just to see which site offers better value. I would like to get mostly reliable parts, since it seems like if more than one thing comes DOA, I'd have a hard time finding the cause.
5) Cooling: I think the case should be fine, but do I really need to invest into a CPU heat sink as well, or will the stock one do fine?
6) Any glaring omissions: this is my first time building a system from scratch, so if I skipped over something, please let me know.
7) What would be the bottleneck in performance on the proposed build (particularly in games)? GPU?
8) Noise: I'd like to keep it down, so parts that were described as quiet in reviews, got a bit more consideration.
9) I'm open to checking out alternative builds, so if you have a good suggestion, I'd like to hear it.

Thanks for reading this over, and I'm looking forward to feedback, even if you tell me that the system sucks and needs to be scrapped :) 

Updated with 1 by 1 listing of the components to avoid confusion:

1 ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $169.99
1 Sony Optiarc DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model AD-7241S-0B LightScribe Support $33.99
1 StarTech SATA35252X 3.5 $29.99
1 Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $99.99
1 SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X 100269VXL Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card $219.99
1 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $119.99
1 Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 $279.99
1 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D $189.99 (this was in a combo with the CPU for extra savings, but subject to change)
1 Corsair Extreme Series CMFSSD-64D1 2.5 $204.99
1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full $199.99
1 COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm $29.99
1 Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound $4.99
Subtotal: $1,583.88 (not including mail-in rebates, but including instant discounts)

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September 10, 2009 10:25:39 AM

1. 2GB is not an overkill by actually will not be used up fully by the graphics card...It is more of a marketing stunt than actual performance improvement.

2. PSU is very good

3. There are upcoming graphic cards from ATI during October...So you would certainly have to hold off.

4. As you would be buying the parts later on, I would suggest you check out the latest 2nd gen intel 80GB SSD...And if you like Red LEDs, take a look at the CM HAF 922 case...
And did you check out the latest intel i5 and i7 CPUs ?? they would give good gaming performance along and would save you on overall hardware cost...

5. Invest in a aftermarket CPU cooler as at stock settings itself, it would reduce the temps atleast by 4-5 degrees and will give you a good headroom for overclock.

6. Nope...maybe some case fans to increase air flow inside the case...

7. Bottleneck, I doubt any...

8. Check for the noise levels of the case fans and the HSF on the graphics card...

9. Like I said you might want to look at the i5 and LGA 1156 i7 builds...

Hope these help...
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September 10, 2009 1:54:04 PM

I mostly agree with Gkay, except the i5. Skip it; for a single GPU the cheaper AMD AM3 or Intel S775 builds will yield similar visible performance. Of course, by the end of October there are likely to be major pricing changes, both in CPUs and in GPUs because of the ATI 5xxx series coming out. I'm hoping SSD prices have come down some by then too.
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September 10, 2009 3:29:41 PM

gkay09 said:
1. 2GB is not an overkill by actually will not be used up fully by the graphics card...It is more of a marketing stunt than actual performance improvement.

2. PSU is very good

3. There are upcoming graphic cards from ATI during October...So you would certainly have to hold off.

4. As you would be buying the parts later on, I would suggest you check out the latest 2nd gen intel 80GB SSD...And if you like Red LEDs, take a look at the CM HAF 922 case...
And did you check out the latest intel i5 and i7 CPUs ?? they would give good gaming performance along and would save you on overall hardware cost...

5. Invest in a aftermarket CPU cooler as at stock settings itself, it would reduce the temps atleast by 4-5 degrees and will give you a good headroom for overclock.

6. Nope...maybe some case fans to increase air flow inside the case...

7. Bottleneck, I doubt any...

8. Check for the noise levels of the case fans and the HSF on the graphics card...

9. Like I said you might want to look at the i5 and LGA 1156 i7 builds...

Hope these help...


I'm sorry, I had my whole planned system hyperlinked in the original post, but I guess it's easy to overlook, here's the whole list again: http://amzn.com/w/U3DC21ARTXY4

1. So if 2GB is not much of a performance improvement, for GPU, should I just get the 1GB version of the same card?

4. Are intel SSD's considerably better than the Corsair I have picked so far? Also, I was going for the Intel Core i7 920, are there later models under $300? I couldn't find any.

6. As it reads to me, the case I'm planning on getting has 3 120mm fans and a 200mm on top, it should be enough, right?

Thanks for the replies

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September 10, 2009 8:17:03 PM

The place 2GB might be significant is if you crossfire 2 of them and are playing on a large, hi resolution (over 1920x1200) monitor. The extra memory will keep speeds up with anti-aliasing on. The whole graphics card situation may change after todays press conferences.


On the antec 900 case you should be able to move the two front fans up and down. I moved mine to the two top slots so one pushes air at the GPU and one pushes air over the RAM to the CPU. My DVD is installed at the bottom. If you were getting two graphics cards an extra sie fan to push air down to the second GPU might be helpful, but the case has alot of airflow.

You do want an aftermarket CPU heatsink/fan for overclocking.
This Coolermaster Hyper 212 plus has the brackets for every CPU, rates pretty good in both cool and quiet and is really inexpensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 10, 2009 10:17:30 PM

baddad:
baddad said:
Your paying double what you should for Windows 7, buy Vista 64 with a free upgrade to W7. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This card would be better http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


How come that card would be better than http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-Vapor-X-4890-Vide... ? The only differences I see is that the card you suggested is factory OC to 870 core speed vs. 850, but it gives up 1GB of memory. I'm assuming the overclocking capability for the core is the same, since they seem to use the same hardware and heat sink. Is it just the $35 price difference that makes 2GB the worse option?

As far as Win 7, I also have a laptop with Vista on it, so I just figured that I'd get a family pack for Win7, and install one on my laptop, one on the desktop, and one on my old desktop, which I'm sending to my dad to replace his dying desktop.

DNDHATCHER: Thanks, I guess I might as well shell out for the CPU heatsink, it's not that expensive. I was somewhat worried about the size of some of these contraptions, but it seems like it should fit.

Did you have any problems running wires in Antec 900 since the PSU is at the bottom? Also, could you tell me how tall the case is? I checked the official measurements against my desk, and it should be within a half inch from a sliding drawer, but I'm not sure if they included the "feet" in the measurement.

Also, since I'm keeping my 1680x1050 monitor, will that 2nd gibabyte on the GPU really count for anything?
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September 10, 2009 10:44:09 PM

I have a 900, not a 900two. Not sure if they are identical in height. I will try to remember to measure tonight when I get home. The antec 900 with a clear wiring setup is a work of art that belongs on top of the desk not below it. They put the clear side panel on for a reason. ;) 

The bottom of my case looks like a dead black octopus with all the extra cables laying there. I think its alot better than a top mounted PSU with nowhere to put the extra cables. Since my DVD is at the botton and my front fans are higher, those excess cables do not affect air flow.

There are holes so you can feed the power cable between the motherboard tray and the right side panel so they stay out of the airflow path. There are still the PCIE power and front panel usb,etc cables that need routed out of the air paths to have clean open air-flow.

I doubt the 2nd gig will do much for you. Probably not enough for the price increase. Save the money toward the future purchase of a 2 GB, 6 monitor 5870 and just stack six of those 22 inch, 1680x1050 monitors for great big-screen. gaming.
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September 11, 2009 3:04:22 AM

Oh, I didn't even know there was a 902. By listed specs it's .2 inches taller, but that's cutting it very close, although that all-black interior is appealing!

The 6 monitor will be out of my price range for quite a while, haha! But, I guess I could just set that $35 difference toward a second 4890 down the line.
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September 11, 2009 3:54:01 AM

Did you change your case? I was sure you had a 900Two linked originally. The 900 is cheaper and (IMO) better looking, but is missing some conveniences (not as many holes to route cables).

My 900 is less than 19inches from desk to top. But it has that huge top fan so you need a few inches for hot air to flow up and away. Actually the other fans are so good some people turn the top fan off and just flow from front to out the back. Make sure to mount the heat sink fan so it blows either up or back and isnt fighting the case fans. It will also natually pull air in the side vent, even in you dont have a fan there pushing air in. my top fan is on low and my side fans are medium. Thats plenty to keep my overclocked ahtlon 64x2 temperature under control when its over 80 degress(F) in the room.
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September 11, 2009 4:27:21 AM

You came here to save money and still get quality parts for your build yes ? This will save you a few dollars and not take away anything from your build. If you read the reviews on the OCZ platinums you will notice a lot of people are not able to reach the specified timings for them...sans the reason they are being phased out.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$10.00 Combo Price: $269.98
ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM | Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$12.00 Combo Price: $399.98 Free Shipping*
OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $36.99
Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
Free Scythe fan w/ purchase, while supplies last

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $4.99
Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $194.99 Free Shipping*
XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Double Lifetime Manufacture Warranty

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product... $104.99 Free Shipping
PC Power and Cooling SILENCER 750W QUAD S75CF Power Supply Retail

Total: $1,011.92
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September 11, 2009 8:56:26 AM

Why_Me: thanks, some interesting suggestions in there, I think I'll change to the MB you suggested. Probably going to pass on the GPU, since a common complaint seems to be that it runs hot and fans are loud as result. I haven't looked for a specific CPU/RAM combo yet, just because I still have another 6-8 weeks, and they tend to change, but that one's a pretty good option. I'm going to avoid that Vista upgrade though. I figure Win 7 will be around for a long time like XP has been, so I'd rather get the retail version and not the OEM from upgrade.

dndhatcher: Thanks for the measurement. Do you think it would clear under 18.75"? Stupid desk came with the apartment and I can't get rid of it. It has a bit more head room behind the drawer, but it overlaps, so the back where the fan is located will have air, as long as I can fit it under there.

Here's my build for now, updated with some of the suggestions I got here:


1 ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $169.99
1 Sony Optiarc DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model AD-7241S-0B LightScribe Support $33.99
1 StarTech SATA35252X 3.5 $29.99
1 Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $99.99
1 SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X 100269VXL Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card $219.99
1 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $119.99
1 Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 $279.99
1 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D $189.99 (this was in a combo with the CPU for extra savings, but subject to change)
1 Corsair Extreme Series CMFSSD-64D1 2.5 $204.99
1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full $199.99
1 COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm $29.99
1 Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound $4.99
Subtotal: $1,583.88 (not including mail-in rebates, but including instant discounts)

I can live with this pricetag, but if there are good/cheaper alternatives like the case with the MB, please don't hesitate to let me know!
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September 11, 2009 11:01:48 AM

Some very good RAM alternatives...
mushkin 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 CAS 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mushkin 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 CAS 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphic card alternatives -
XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 Radeon HD 4890 1GB
Customize cooler with Super ML Cap
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CASE alternative - It is a very good alternative to that Antec 900
NZXT TEMPEST Crafted Series CS-NT-TEM -
Special $5 off w/ promo code EMCLXLW32, ends 9/14
$99.99
($79.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate )
Free Shipping*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 12, 2009 5:54:47 PM

Thanks for the suggestions, gkay09.

I was actually reading up some more and it looks like the 5870 will be out shortly. Typically, I don't buy the latest generation of GPU because of price point because of the price point, but a thought occurs:

What if instead of getting a i7 920 with a 4890 (and maybe a 2nd one down the line if needed), I switch to LGA 1156 and get an i5 750 and grab the 5870? The thinking behind this is that getting the 5870 will keep me from having to upgrade until 6xxx series comes out (I'm just now upgrading from 8800GT), and from the benchmarks I've seen, it seems like i5 doesn't start to lose out to i7 until you start running SLI/Crossfire.

What will keep me from needing to upgrade longer and what will perform better in short to mid-term?
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September 12, 2009 6:19:57 PM

Good call with choosing the i5 and the new generation vid card. :)  Here's a build you might want to take a look at. That heat sink below comes with thermal paste so you save a few dollars right there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $209.94
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$30.00 Combo Price: $349.98 Free Shipping*
ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156 Intel P55 Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $19.99
Cooler Master Intel Core i5 compatible Hyper TX3 Socket 775/1156/AMD 130W 92mm "heatpipe direct contact" CPU Cooler RR-910-HTX3-GP - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$5.00 Combo Price: $184.98 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM | Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $29.99 Free Shipping*
Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM

Total: $794.88
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September 12, 2009 7:15:31 PM

Thanks Why_Me. I like the CPU/MB deal. I'll probably hold off another month on the final build though, so I can read some early adopters' reviews and check out some benchmarks.

I'm curious though: how much of a difference will there be between a 5850 and a 5870? I'm assuming there aren't going to be games to challenge these cards at full settings for a while, but will the 5850 start struggling a LOT sooner? Seems like it's worth considering at ~$100 price difference
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September 13, 2009 2:50:48 AM

ATI has said the lowest of the new cards will only support 3 monitors, so that is what I expect the 5850 to do.

What we dont know is if the september 22 4870 release will be a 4 or 6 monitor capable model. There should be a 5870(1GB) and 5870(2GB) model with about a $50 price difference and they may handle different numbers of monitors.
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September 13, 2009 2:54:43 AM

True about the HD5850 thing but it's going to be a monster card nonetheless.
The HD5870 2GB is going to support up to 6 monitors via ATI EyeFinity.
Where did you get this release date (I hope it's correct :D  )

Medo
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September 13, 2009 4:19:17 AM

psycho sykes said:
Where did you get this release date (I hope it's correct :D  )

One of the articles from an attendee. I believe it was announced at the demo on the aircraft carrier.
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September 13, 2009 4:23:04 AM

YAAHOOOOOOOOOO :wahoo:  !!!!!!!!! :bounce:  :)  :D  :na:  :sarcastic:  :p  :ouch:  ;)  :o  :lol:  :love:  :sol: 

Crazy I know :pt1cable:  !

EDIT: "attendee" ?? Do you mean "Anand" ?!

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September 13, 2009 4:59:41 AM

I think attendee is someone who attended a particular event, or in other words was present ;)  I've seen the date as 22nd in the U.S. in several articles as well.

So, I think I'll just keep looking out for benchmarks comparing 5850 and 5870 for the next month. If you guys see any of those, please post a link in here, especially if they happen to use i5 750. I'm not too excited about 6 or even 3 monitors, so I don't think that it'll bear on my decision in any way. If anything, I'd prefer having two displays showing separate information.

It's a good thing I have this bit of extra time to sit back. I'm expecting more LGA 1156 MB's, coolers and reviews on all of the above. If only the new semester didn't start on the 21st!
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September 13, 2009 5:09:30 AM

About the "semester" In my country (Egypt) They postponed the school activities all over the country for the concern of (Pig's Foe -or whatever [foe, correct?])

For the HD5000 reviews don't worry as I'm buzzing around them like ONE bee in a 2000 KM2 roses garden :D 

For the new 1156 MBs I think they're going to make a refresh soon for certain models, See this:http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270981-31-sataiii-usb...

Medo
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September 13, 2009 5:11:15 AM

The NDA is supposed to be up in about a week. We should have lots of reliable info the day it drops.
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September 13, 2009 7:58:54 AM

psycho sykes said:
"NDA" ??


I think dndhatcher means Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA). It's a legal document that people sign that does not allow them to discuss certain things with the public, usually in exchange for getting some sort of privileged information. I'm not exactly sure who or why would have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement in this case though.

Also, Psycho, I think you meant Pig Flu (the viral respiratory disease that started in Mexico and is now global). A foe is a synonym for enemy - like North Koreans in Crysis. Anyway, I guess in the U.S. Pig Flu scare is over, since all the news talk about anymore is some congressman who yelled "You lie!" during the President's speech. Yes, that's the kind of lame crap that makes news in America while real issues get ignored.

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September 13, 2009 8:08:50 AM

hellario said:
I think dndhatcher means Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA). It's a legal document that people sign that does not allow them to discuss certain things with the public, usually in exchange for getting some sort of privileged information. I'm not exactly sure who or why would have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement in this case though.


Ouch, So we are dealing with some sort of G14 Classified Alpha Information!!!! :lol:  I didn't know!! (I don't mean to be rude)

hellario said:
Also, Psycho, I think you meant Pig Flu (the viral respiratory disease that started in Mexico and is now global). A foe is a synonym for enemy - like North Koreans in Crysis. Anyway, I guess in the U.S. Pig Flu scare is over, since all the news talk about anymore is some congressman who yelled "You lie!" during the President's speech. Yes, that's the kind of lame crap that makes news in America while real issues get ignored.


For the Flu and Foe thanks, I knew that Foe is another word for enemy a war enemy but i couldn't remember Flu and was going to edit it to Fu :pt1cable:  , Thanks anyway.

For the news it's not only America the whole world has signed a conspiracy statement that the regular citizen MUSTN'T know everything and preferably NOTHING, So we are all in the same boat here.

Medo
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September 13, 2009 7:53:16 PM

hellario said:
I think dndhatcher means Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA). It's a legal document that people sign that does not allow them to discuss certain things with the public, usually in exchange for getting some sort of privileged information. I'm not exactly sure who or why would have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement in this case though.
Apparently lots of reviewers have already received and tested pre-release models, but they had to sign an NDA to prevent them from publishing their results until ATI allows it. Similar to what we saw with the i5.
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September 13, 2009 8:01:48 PM

^ Great so the cards are ready to be shipped, Only market and third-party MFRs' demands are delaying them.

I'll wait and advice all of you to.

Medo
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September 14, 2009 8:45:42 AM

I'm starting to finalize the build. I like the price on this one. Can someone check if the parts are decent in themselves? In pacticular, I'm not familiar with MSI and G.Skill brands. Also, will the PSU be able a 2nd GPU (just in case) later on?

i5 750 + MSI P55-GD65 motherboard + G.SKILL Trident 4GB RAM (DDR3 2000)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$434.97

Antec 902 case + Vista with Win 7 upgrade coupon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$219.94

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive + OCZ StealthXStream OCZ700SXS 700W (Rated at 85%+)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$102.98 - $20 mail-in rebate

OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX60G 2.5" 60GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$229 - $30 mail-in rebate

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$29.99


Arctic Silver AS5-3.5G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$6.99

Subtotal (includes a misc item or two): Subtotal: $1,027.36

All that's left is for HD5870 to come out (+$400)
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September 14, 2009 8:58:57 AM

hellario ...with that RAM and that board in the combo you have....well it's begging to be over clocked. lol. The RAM is spendy...but then again after all the combo's you have there it's not that bad. In fact you got some bargains going on there. :)  That's going to be one super fast rig when you get it finished. :D 

I didn't see a psu in that build, but this combo down below works fine for a dual card set up.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $194.94 Free Shipping*
Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE - Retail


The Windows Vista combo's with just about anything on newegg...so combo it up with something else and you saved even more money.
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September 14, 2009 9:08:14 AM

EDIT: There is a PSU in that build...

GSKillz RAM are very good...And as for MSI, they are also good but people still prefer ASUS and Gigabyte over other brands...
You might also want to check out www.ewiz.com they have attractive prices...
i7 750 - $185 with Free Shipping( After applying coupons)
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=I5-750BOX
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September 14, 2009 9:41:27 AM

Thanks Why_Me, but it was in there ;)  I was surprised to see it rated at 85%+ and still be under $100, but the reviews are pretty favorable. I'm actually getting a bit too excited about this, so much so that I'm moving up to the end of this month instead of late October. :bounce: 

gkay09, is there a particular reason MSI loses out to ASUS and Gigabyte? I just wound up picking it because there isn't a whole lot of choices for LGA 1156 right now, and this one was just about the only one with a couple of reviews (on newegg anyway). Is OC Genie worth anything?


I looked at Gigabyte boards with P55 and they all seem to say in supported memory 2200+/1333/1066. Is there an in-between, or are those the only options? I was going to just run the RAM at 2000. I don't know a whole lot about overclocking, especially RAM. I usually just set an automatic 8-10% in BIOS and leave it alone, but this time I'm going to venture out of the comfort zone just a little. Also, the one ASUS in there is comparable to MSI and $25 cheaper, but MSI makes up a bit in combo value.

Here's the list:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
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September 14, 2009 9:59:02 AM

hellario said:
Thanks Why_Me, but it was in there ;)  I was surprised to see it rated at 85%+ and still be under $100, but the reviews are pretty favorable. I'm actually getting a bit too excited about this, so much so that I'm moving up to the end of this month instead of late October. :bounce: 

gkay09, is there a particular reason MSI loses out to ASUS and Gigabyte? I just wound up picking it because there isn't a whole lot of choices for LGA 1156 right now, and this one was just about the only one with a couple of reviews (on newegg anyway). Is OC Genie worth anything?


I looked at Gigabyte boards with P55 and they all seem to say in supported memory 2200+/1333/1066. Is there an in-between, or are those the only options? I was going to just run the RAM at 2000. I don't know a whole lot about overclocking, especially RAM. I usually just set an automatic 8-10% in BIOS and leave it alone, but this time I'm going to venture out of the comfort zone just a little. Also, the one ASUS in there is comparable to MSI and $25 cheaper, but MSI makes up a bit in combo value.

Here's the list:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


Those boards run 2000, 1800, 1600, 1333, 1066, etc, etc.... and those new "ripjaws" from G.SKill are a bargain right now. Any of those will run fine in all those P55 boards. As far as MS getting a bad rap....it hasn't done so good on it's support in the past, but their new P55 boards are getting great reviews.

Here's two more good boards that should combo up nicely with the cpu or ram...or maybe both.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99 Free Shipping*
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
2oz Copper PCB, Support 2 Way SLI & CrossFireX plus Smart 6

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99 Free Shipping*
ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156 Intel P55 Intel Motherboard - Retail
Xtreme Design w/ SLI+CrossfireX, Auto-Tuning, DDR3 2133
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September 14, 2009 10:11:04 AM

@hellario The MSI boards are very good...but the BIOS that they use is not much user-friendly but is more of overclocker-friendly...
And quality control at MSI still has to catch up with ASUS and Gigabyte...

So if you are OK with complex BIOS, then MSI is no problem at all...
and like you pointed out, the OC Genie is a good feature on those MSI boards...
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September 15, 2009 1:46:47 AM

Stupid Newegg! They already removed my PSU+DVD RW combo since last night. How often do they do that type of stuff?
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September 15, 2009 7:06:06 AM

I figured my classes start on the 21st, so I might as well put this thing together before then, so I ordered tonight. Final specs minus HD5870 (I'll be using my old 8800GT until it comes out):


Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $119.95

MSI P55-GD65 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $159.99

Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail $94.99

Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail $206.99

OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD) - Retail $229.00

G.SKILL Trident 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model F3-16000CL9D-4GBTD - Retail $104.99

LITE-ON 24X CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS324-08 - Retail $31.99

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM $109.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM $6.99

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU ... - Retail $29.99

Rosewill RTK-002 Anti-Static Wrist Strap - Retail $3.49

D&S Cables 3T4-B Black Type 4" Cable Tie - Retail $3.99

Subtotal $1,042.35

(Total discounts: $70 in combo discounts, $67 in instant discounts, $30 in mail-in rebates)

Thanks to everyone who contributed, I really appreciate it, and if you like the build feel free to reference it or recommend it to anyone you want.
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September 15, 2009 7:10:57 AM

Why the MSI Mobo?!!
And do you actually need a SSD (maybe waited for X25 G2 with HD5870! :p  )?!!
Do actually need the 2000MHz RAM (and not low Cas Latency or timings :??:  !!)?!
Other than that it looks good (I'll try to recommend it to anyone with similar demands :D  )

Medo
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September 15, 2009 7:46:45 AM

MSI - I like that it has OC Genie, and seems like an overall solid board at a solid price. With the general lack of reviews for P55 boards out there, I think it was a fairly safe choice.

SSD: Well, no one really "needs" SSD, but I like how fast they are and I think it will go far in boosting overall system performance by making everything load faster. I figure at $200 after rebate, it's not as much out of my price range as it used to be and 60GB will do well to hold Win7 and a few favorite games.

RAM: For the price point, according to all of the reviews I've read, this is just about the best RAM possible. I like the idea that it's made to run stable at 2000MHz, and I think it more or less makes up in performance for latency. I could always underclock it for tighter timings though.

Of course those were my personal preferences (especially an SSD), but I think overall I've gotten some of the "best-bang-for-the-buck" performance parts. It's a step down from my inital i7 920 build, but I'm saving roughly $300-350
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September 15, 2009 3:22:51 PM

The Asus has the - Turbo V EVO - Turbo key - CPU level up
Asus's Mobos have a lot of reviews (P55) even here on Tom's.. .
I meant you might want to cancel the SSD and wait for the Intel G2 to get back in stock.
$300-350 saving is good thing.. huh..!

Medo
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September 15, 2009 3:52:57 PM

psycho sykes said:
The Asus has the - Turbo V EVO - Turbo key - CPU level up
Asus's Mobos have a lot of reviews (P55) even here on Tom's.. .
I meant you might want to cancel the SSD and wait for the Intel G2 to get back in stock.
$300-350 saving is good thing.. huh..!

Medo


I looked at Intel SSD's, and I'm not all that impressed. OCZ Vertex is cheaper on GB/$ basis, loses a claimed 20MB/s in reading speed, but has almost double the writing speed (for installs and defrags and such)
Asus is... a good name and I have an old Asus MB still running on this computer, but I'm feeling like a change. To be honest, I was a bit disappointed with their BIOS updates and drivers have been shoddy as well, I still can't get the on-board audio to output 5.1 via optical out. They're not horrible, but I'd like to try something else, and I've heard some good things about MSI.
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September 15, 2009 4:20:10 PM

I don't mean anything, Only that MSI said to have problems with their quality control So if you got a working one you're good to go.
For the BIOS updates, If you want the absolute best in BIOS and its updates then only about 3 names: 1. eVGA 2. GigaByte 3. Asus iROG (Rampage, Croshair etc.)
MSI update their BIOSes very often for the fact they are released with tons of issues, Though they release the fixes very often their BIOSes looks somewhat difficult and "crappy" but it won't be a problem for someone who doesn't use all the features in it, And if it arrived intact you can't go wrong with it.
About the SSD I see it pointless to have a SSD with Extreme write speed and average read speed as SSDs were introduced first to speed up the operation of booting and applications, So for the fact you're getting it to run the OS Apps Games an extremely fast write speeds won't help you that much.
I also heard good things about Corsair and Patriot SSDs you might want to take a look at those as both of them have updated their firm-wire so you get even more value for the money (not to mention the extra 4GB :D  )

Good luck with your build, Post pics and bench. numbers when you're done :lol: 

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September 15, 2009 7:05:30 PM

Ok, I'll try and post up, but I'll hold off until I finally get 5870 in there :) 
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September 15, 2009 7:10:47 PM

^ Hahah :lol: 
The HD5870 will be AMAZING!
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September 15, 2009 7:12:56 PM

hellario said:
Ok, I'll try and post up, but I'll hold off until I finally get 5870 in there :) 


I would go ahead and order everything now but the video card. If you don't order now there is always the chance that some of this hardware can end up being out of stock.
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September 15, 2009 7:30:58 PM

He already ordered, He meant he'll post Pics when he's done.
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I figured my classes start on the 21st, so I might as well put this thing together before then, so I ordered tonight. Final specs minus HD5870 (I'll be using my old 8800GT until it comes out):
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September 17, 2009 10:31:22 PM

The delivery was pretty fast. I ordered around midnight on Monday and got it Wednesday around 2pm. Still need the new video card and since my cable ties somehow got split up into a 2nd order, my wires aren't tucked away, but the system runs very well.

Windows 7 experience marks: CPU - 7.3, RAM - 7.3, GPU - 5.9 (still my old 8800GT), HDD - 7.1 (thought it would've been higher, but it still flies!)
Win 7 marks (OC): CPU - 7.6, RAM - 7.6, everything else is the same (I don't even bother OC'ing my old GPU at this point).

3DMarkVantage CPU Score: 35301 (OC to 3.2GHz). I also ran the CPU OC'd to 4GHz for a while, but 3DMark got interrupted before I got the result (HDD formatting was done on my other drive, so it was forced to exit full screen mode). I checked the CPU utility right away and it was ~53C, which seems pretty good for 4GHz just coming out from under load.
http://service.futuremark.com/home.action?resultId=1420...

I'm still trying to figure out how to OC my RAM properly. MSI bios is kind of confusing in that for some reason it wants to automatically OC my CPU to 4GHz every time I try to set my ram to DDR3 2000.

Also, I can't seem to find out the version of my OCZ Vertex firmware, and when I try to update it in DOS, it goes through the initial step of ID'ing the drive but when I tell it to run it, it fails. Maybe it's already on the latest version, but I have no clue.

I'll try to update this once I can get my hands on a HD5870.

Edit: I looked closer at Win7 experience scores and noticed that it included my external 5400 RPM hard drive that I was restoring media from.
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September 18, 2009 7:09:16 AM

^ That's nice...
And as for the RAM and CPU overclock, the RAM speed and the CPU fsb generally have a ratio 1:1
So when you are trying to overclock the RAM to 2000MHz, the BIOS automatically increases the CPU fsb to 2000MHz hence the 4GHz speed...
You can post a separate thread in the Overclocking section to get better responses... :) 
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September 19, 2009 12:03:14 AM



It's just sitting there, waiting for me to swap in a new GPU and tuck the wires away (cable ties are delayed in shipping). I really like how the airflow works out: top front fan pushes air right onto CPU cooler, which pulls it in and pushes it out the back and toward the top, while bottom front and PSU fans work together to cool the GPU.

Would it be better for airflow to put the new GPU right up near the CPU cooler or just put it in where my old one is now - around the middle?
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