New graphic card

I am planning to get a new graphic card but I have no clue what graphic slot i have. I also have a nVIDIA GeForce 8400. Should I get a support card for it or should I get a new card.
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  1. You should get a new card.
  2. its PCI-E x16
    some more info would help ...ie how much money do u want to spend
    what size monitor do u have
    what games do u play
    bla bla bla
  3. I am ready to spend about $220.
    I have a seventeen inch monitor, windows vista home premium, 3GB memory, ADM Phenom 9500 Quad-Core Processor 2.2GHz, 32-bit operating system, 100GB free space out of 320GB. (HP a6332.uk)
    I play strategy games (e.g. Medieval II Total War and planning to get Empire Total War). I also play games such as gothic, the Elder Scrolls and Beowulf (it keeps on freezing). I also play a couple of racing games.
  4. Arzhur said:
    I am ready to spend about $220.
    I have a seventeen inch monitor, windows vista home premium, 3GB memory, ADM Phenom 9500 Quad-Core Processor 2.2GHz, 32-bit operating system, 100GB free space out of 320GB. (HP a6332.uk)
    I play strategy games (e.g. Medieval II Total War and planning to get Empire Total War). I also play games such as gothic, the Elder Scrolls and Beowulf (it keeps on freezing). I also play a couple of racing games.


    Try the HD 4670, it's a prett cheap card these days and it'll run circles around the 8400, it costs $70 on Newegg.com.
  5. Is it not worth it to spend a bit more money?
  6. Arzhur said:
    Is it not worth it to spend a bit more money?


    With only a 17" monitor? Not really, plus, it'll work with your old power supply.
  7. Should I also get a new monitor then? (this is a birthday present from my parents)
  8. Arzhur said:
    Should I also get a new monitor then? (this is a birthday present from my parents)


    You could get a 19" or 20" 1440x900 monitor with that 4670 and stay under $220, so yeah, why not.
  9. Thanks.
    Where would be a reliable place to get the monitor and graphics card (I live in Ireland).
  10. Also what is the difference with th 512MB and 1024MB versions of this card.
  11. Arzhur said:
    Also what is the difference with th 512MB and 1024MB versions of this card.


    1024mb will do a bit better, most notably at high resolutions, we're talking 1920x1200 or higher here, but I guess you should get it anyway since the price difference will be small.

    BTW, I don't live in Ireland, so I can't recommend any e-shops, though you can probably walk into a real (as in a brick building) and still get the monitor and graphics card for under $220 (yes, I know Ireland uses the Euro.)
  12. Would you recomend any site because Ireland can be quite expensive and I live in the west (i.e. in the middle of nowhere)
  13. Arzhur said:
    Would you recomend any site because Ireland can be quite expensive and I live in the west (i.e. in the middle of nowhere)


    Well, there is an Irish kmoplett (komplett.ie) and the Dutch version of that store is reliable, it has the 1024mb HD 4670: http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=490455 but it doesn't have a 1440x900 monitor, this site does: http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=MMEV320009 but I can't guarantee the reliability of that site.
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    4600 series is slow and should only be used for people who dont game. Get a 4770


    Then he'd probably also need a new PSU, besides, the 4670 does fine on 1440x900.
  15. Stupid question, is PCI-E the same as PCI-Express
  16. What do you mean by PSU (I am new to this).
  17. Arzhur said:
    Stupid question, is PCI-E the same as PCI-Express


    Yes
  18. 4670 is definatly no slowpoke.. imo the minimum a ''gamer'' wants is either a 4670 or a 9600gso. Also dont go for the 1 gig completly useles for that card 512 is fine just get the cheapest you can find.

    As for a better gpu, i doubt that first gen phenom will handle anything more. And like noted be4 the 4670 will b a save choise, psu wise

    that card should handle 1680x1050 with ''med'' settings fine rly So look for cheap 22inch monitors with that res should b doable with a 220 budget
  19. Arzhur said:
    What do you mean by PSU (I am new to this).


    The power supply, it's the box inside your case that's got all the cables coming out of it: http://whitesindia.com/shoppe/images/categories/AtxPowerSupply-main_Full.jpg
    It limits the kind of hardware you can use (the PCI-E slot will accept even the biggest graphics cards out there, but the power supply may not be able to power them.)
  20. The 4670 is a highly underrated card. I just did an install for my brother in law this weekend, and the 4670 512mb GDDR3 was chosen for its price and lower power consumption. I was very impressed how it ran on his computer (Athlon 4200+ 2gb DDR2667 Vista Home Premium). It ran so cool, I was able to OC it to the max CCC settings (800/980) and it passed 4 hours of furmark without breaking 60c, and idles at barely above room temps, with the fan set at 30%.

    For $85CAD, I was very impressed. He runs at 1680x1050, plays WoW, Fallout 3, Oblivion, Gothic3 as well as some other RPGs, and it was playing those games VERY smoothly at decent detail levels.
  21. What should i get then, the hd 4670 or 9600gso (9600gso is about €25 to €30 more expensive)?
  22. Arzhur said:
    What should i get then, the hd 4670 or 9600gso (9600gso is about €25 to €30 more expensive)?


    I believe the 4670 is actually faster than the more expensive 9600GSO.
  23. I don't have experience with the 9600GSO, but as you can see above, I heartily endorse the 4670, lol.
  24. I have the good 9600GSO, the one that is a rebadged 8800GS. Avoid the other GSOs, they are junk.

    I studied the 4670/8800GS quite a bit, and found them to be more or less equals. Each wins and loses to the other, so I wouldn't call one of them faster. The GSO does have one good advantage however, they tend to be great overclockers. That is a hit or miss point however, as jofa got one that would overclock great as well.
  25. Should I then consider getting a 4770?
  26. Arzhur said:
    Should I then consider getting a 4770?


    You could, but you'd also have to get a new power supply (around $40), the 4770 (or equally performing 4830) costs around $95, so then you'll only have $85 for a new monitor, which isn't enough, but if you don't get the monitor you won't need anything more than the 4670 (hell, even with a 1440x900 monitor the 4670 would be enough.)

    So my advice is: get the 4670 with a 1440x900 monitor and enjoy your games and the money you have left.
  27. Also how long would it take for it not to be powerful enough to play new games (I am talking of the 4670).
  28. Arzhur said:
    Also how long would it take for it not to be powerful enough to play new games (I am talking of the 4670).


    It'll do fine with upcoming mainstream games like modern warfare 2 (which it can probably max out on 1440x900) and will continue to do so for another two years (that is if you stick with 1440x900), but of course there will always be some games (I can only think of Crysis right now) where you'll have to lower the settings because those games have ridiculous hardware demands and if you want to max those games out you'll have to pay a lot more for new parts.

    But really, the 4670 will run circles around your old 8400.
  29. So to get it straight I should get a hd 4670 with 512MB.
  30. Arzhur said:
    So to get it straight I should get a hd 4670 with 512MB.


    Yes, and use the rest of the money to buy a 19" 1440x900 monitor.
  31. yes
  32. Totally
  33. Is there anything that I have to be careful with appart from it being a PCI-E card?
  34. Don't spend extra on the 1gb version. It is a low power card, so unless you are running a 200w PSU, you should be fine. It is also a very cool running card, so unless your case is sealed shut in a 40c room, again, you should be fine.
  35. How do I know how many watts my PSU is working at?
  36. Look up the specifications of your model of computer.
  37. I looked on the hp site but they don't seem to give the psu.
  38. Try google the model followed by the words "PSU specifications" and look at other sites besides HP.

    or you could open the case and look at the side of the PSU. 99% of the time all the PSU stats are there, and if you don't understand what you are looking at, take a picture and post it.
  39. JofaMang said:
    Try google the model followed by the words "PSU specifications" and look at other sites besides HP.

    or you could open the case and look at the side of the PSU. 99% of the time all the PSU stats are there, and if you don't understand what you are looking at, take a picture and post it.


    Yes, there should be a lable on the PSU, but I'm 99.99999% sure it'll be good enough for the HD 4670.
  40. The lable says that the max power output is 300W but it also talks about limitations of 268W and 175W. Also dose it matter that my processor uses 95W.
  41. What should I do with my old graphics card? Keep it in case?
  42. Yes, it can't hurt to have a spare lying around just in case.
  43. Will the limitations which I mentioned in my second last reply be a problem?
  44. The card is recommended for use with a 400w PSU, but manufacturers often recommend higher power than needed, to compensate for low quality PSUs. Often, the PSU included in pre-built computers like Dell and HP are decent units. I wouldn't worry about it too much, but be ready to upgrade your PSU if it can't handle the power load.
  45. How will I know if power is not high enough?
  46. If, after installation, when you try to run a game, or any other 3d intensive task, it decides to shut off, give weird errors, or other things of the like, you may need a new PSU.

    To make it easy to diagnose these things, when installing a new video card, I always do a clean windows install on a formatted hdd. When all the windows updates are done, I download and install the videocard drivers, and then start playing the games to see how it holds up.
  47. The Geforce 8400GS uses 40W at maximum, the HD 4670 uses 60W at maximum, a difference of only 20W.
    I'm sure HP put a PSU with quite a bit of headroom in your PC, because it has a 95W CPU and HP offers several years of warranty (so they don't want the PSU to break down during that time, ergo, it must have some headroom.)
  48. How do you do a clean windows install on a formatted hdd?
  49. You need a windows installation disk.
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