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September 12, 2009 7:49:16 AM

configuration confusion - some fantastic advice in this forum, no doubt, but for somebody like myself who does not posses a philips head screw driver but has access, via a cheque book to a computer specialist, what specs should I ask him to comply with?
I shall follow specialK90 incredible purchase advise (much appriciated and admired) regarding Premier, Ilustrator and After effects; I shall purchase i970; win 7; ? box with ? watt power supply; ? 1 gb video card; two (?) >1tb HDD made by ? and two ? HDD > ? made by ?; also ? gb RAM; ? Blue Ray writer; RAID? Norton Ghost? 64 bits? I have CS2, what else am I missing.
now I am not just an old fool with a cheque book, recently I have retired and before I push Daisys I want to fix, edit and compile my family movies ( 16 mm, 8 mm, super8, video and Avchd) and photos, so the grandkids will (hopefully) some day will look at them and laugh.
I hope this is not too much to ask for - that is to say the question to the forum, the grandkids sense of humor? ? well, that is another matter.

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September 16, 2009 2:23:40 AM

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: the closer the better.
BUDGET RANGE: US$4000
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: AVCHD Video Editing.
PARTS PREFERENCES: the most suitable.
MONITOR RESOLUTION: the most suitable.
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ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: the latest technology.
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September 16, 2009 12:20:36 PM

This may still be below your budget:

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drives

Antec 902

RAZER Arctosa Black Wired Standard Gaming Keyboard

Logitech MX518 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse

MSI GeForce GTX 295

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD6 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Intel Core i7-870

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU ... - Retail

Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM

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September 16, 2009 12:24:25 PM

You might want to get multiple drives and put them in RAID or get a SSD drive for your operating system, which is very fast.
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September 16, 2009 1:26:06 PM

LIAN LI PC-61 USB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($89.99)

CORSAIR CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($139.99)

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($279.99)

ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($169.99)

(2) OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail (12GB Total)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($299.98)

(2) Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G1 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD) - OEM RAID 0 (OS/Applications)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($699.98)

(2) SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail RAID 1 (Storage w/ Redundancy)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($169.98)

LG 8X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 6X BD-ROM 2MB Cache Blu-ray Burner Model BH08LS20 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($179.99)

EVGA 017-P3-1175-AR GeForce GTX 275 1792MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($289.99)

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($109.99)

SAMSUNG ToC T240HD Rose-Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen HDTV Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 10000:1 Built in DTV Tuner & Dolby Digital Surround Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($309.99)

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September 16, 2009 4:25:57 PM

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MSI GeForce GTX 295

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600


Intel Core i7-870



interesting you go this route... i have been reseaching for a couple months...

i would think you want to spend money on the cpu rather than the gpu for avchd editing


i am going to be using adobe's products...

im going the route of core i7 920, over clocked to 3.5 ghz, with 12 gigs of ram..
and a gtx 260

why do you reccomend the money heading to a gtx 295 when adobe can't really offload a bunch
of power to cuda yet?
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September 16, 2009 4:30:00 PM

maybe a nice new monitor or desk
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September 17, 2009 3:28:45 PM

bbowentoms,
you are right about the hard disk and cpu being more important.
He has a nice budget of $4,000.00, so he can get a nice video card.
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September 20, 2009 11:47:41 PM

evongugg said:
You might want to get multiple drives and put them in RAID or get a SSD drive for your operating system, which is very fast.



many thanks guys, I am studing your recomendations.

evongugg - pls clarify your note - do you say that the SSD is fast or the Raid config?
fast is good and required but from what I have learnt on the forum RAID 1 config is important, am I right?

bbowentoms- you said: ".....gtx 295 when adobe can't really offload a bunch of power to cuda yet?" - if that the case what do you suggest?

obsidian86 - monitor - yes, i will be getting two 22" side by side, desk - no, in my study I am using Ruhlmann et Laurent furniture, the desk is "good enough" ;-) .

Transmaniaco - many thanks, give me time to understand what you have suggested.

best regards and many thanks to one and all.
ewattoms





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September 24, 2009 5:46:49 AM

to bbowenstoms
hi, you have said quote " ....adobe can't really offload a bunch of power to cuda yet? unquote.
ould you be kind and explain this to me?
thanks
ewattoms
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September 24, 2009 5:54:26 AM

Transmaniacon said:
LIAN LI PC-61 USB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($89.99)

CORSAIR CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($139.99)

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($279.99)

ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($169.99)

(2) OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail (12GB Total)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($299.98)

(2) Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G1 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD) - OEM RAID 0 (OS/Applications)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($699.98)

(2) SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail RAID 1 (Storage w/ Redundancy)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($169.98)

LG 8X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 6X BD-ROM 2MB Cache Blu-ray Burner Model BH08LS20 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($179.99)

EVGA 017-P3-1175-AR GeForce GTX 275 1792MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($289.99)

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($109.99)

SAMSUNG ToC T240HD Rose-Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen HDTV Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 10000:1 Built in DTV Tuner & Dolby Digital Surround Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($309.99)

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+1 for that build. Nice ! :) 
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September 24, 2009 2:59:27 PM

ewattoms said:
to bbowenstoms
hi, you have said quote " ....adobe can't really offload a bunch of power to cuda yet? unquote.
ould you be kind and explain this to me?
thanks
ewattoms




and if not the 295 which one.


with a budget of 4000 and desiring latest components you can go the route of the 295 gpu.
i would just argue to at least have the i7 920 and 12 gigs of ram first.
a more modified build which has been posted later does this, and well with ssd's raided, as well as 1 TB drives raided.

"adobe can't offload the power yet."

soon to come, i hope by cs5 adobe will start tapping into the power of the video cards for the heavy lifting compression.
right now, the cpu, central processing unit does all the work when you edit, transcode, export. ect... and with the i7 chips, they are 4 cores, and hypertreaded so you can have 8 virtual cores working.

however, even less bleading edge video cards, graphics processing units, (gpu)s can have hundreds of cores...
they are much more specifically built to solve problems in a parrellel processing manner. hence, as computers continual to evolve, the speed of the processsor has slowly hit the limit and they way the industry continues to increase computing power is through more cores. hence, p4 then pentium d then core 2 dou, then quad core...
next year intel should have a 6 hex core chip.***

so with avchd editing, more and more companies providing video software are going to be writing code the computer can offload to the gpu to take advantage of all those cores... and transcode and export much much significantly faster.

***the same footprint as the i7 920 940 or 970, which is why with 4 grand i reccomend going that route, b.c you could put a new processor in the same mother board, as opposed to the newer core i7s and i5, which won't fit those newer hex and oct? core chips... they kind provide big bang for your buck, in the next 2 years. but if your looking for a slightly longer workstation, go with something of the 1366 socket. then in a year hopefully ddr3 ram has dropped, and you can put 24 rather than 12 gigs of ram in. then move to better SSD drives as prices drop. lastly, maybe a gpu upgrade, hopefully timed wiht the release of software that can take advantage of them....


ALSO************ this september early oct is the GPU conference, and most likely amd and nvidia will release their new cards... which will be perfectly timed to play better with directx11 and microsoft's new os, windows 7.

so... i've put my money where my mouth is...

i just received yesterday my asus pt6 motherboard, i7 920, 12 gigs of ram, 850 watt power supply, (i allready have hard drives)
and i am waiting another week or so, for the new video cards to be released, hoping their newest and greatest cards, will further push down the prices of the current, GTX260 or GTX 275, which i am 90 % sure i will purchase...



hope all this helps. good luck. i also am purpose building a adobe CS4/5 AVCHD video workstation.
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September 24, 2009 3:07:33 PM

will you be doing any gaming at all? if not you could look into workstation cards
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September 26, 2009 8:54:11 PM

obsidian86 said:
will you be doing any gaming at all? if not you could look into workstation cards

obsidian
No I shall not, only video editing, I have a larghe a mount of family videos that I want to transfer into Blue ray so that my children and grandchildren will have something to take then down memory lane in the future.
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September 26, 2009 9:28:03 PM

BBowentoms
Many thanks for your prompt reply. I have decided to follow your and emulate your specs, I shall not be assembling the computer myself but will commission a computer technician to do so.
In due course I shall be purchasing Premier Pro CS4, I was given to understand that CS5 is at least 12 month away.
Adobe are recommending an ASIO compatible sound card, In my ignorance I probably did not recognise it in your recommendation list, do we have this?
Should I not go the whole hog and purchase i7 970 + 12 GB ram rather then i7 920?
Power supply – should I allow for future expansion and purchase now a 1000 KW.
GPU – I am comfortable to go the 275 route unless a newer version is about to be released.
You said Quote “ ……i also am purpose building a adobe CS4/5 AVCHD video workstation. “
Is that not what we are doing, building a workstation?.
Best regards
EW
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September 27, 2009 12:17:42 AM

Transmaniacon
Apologies, I have mixed up yours and bbowentoms replies,; my question is regarding sound card, Adobe premier Pro site recommend an ASIO compatible card, I cannot see it on your list. What do you think?
ewattoms
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September 27, 2009 3:36:44 AM

Transmaniacon said:
LIAN LI PC-61 USB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($89.99)

CORSAIR CMPSU-650HX 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($139.99)

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($279.99)

ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($169.99)

(2) OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail (12GB Total)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($299.98)

(2) Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G1 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD) - OEM RAID 0 (OS/Applications)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($699.98)

(2) SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Retail RAID 1 (Storage w/ Redundancy)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($169.98)

LG 8X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 6X BD-ROM 2MB Cache Blu-ray Burner Model BH08LS20 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($179.99)

EVGA 017-P3-1175-AR GeForce GTX 275 1792MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($289.99)

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($109.99)

SAMSUNG ToC T240HD Rose-Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen HDTV Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 10000:1 Built in DTV Tuner & Dolby Digital Surround Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ($309.99)

Total: 2,739.86



Apologies to one and all – I was confused as to the source of the posts. I hope I did not offend anybody.
Transmaniacon
Many thanks for your configuration, it suits me and I am comfortable with the suggested configuration, my computer technician have suggested to me to consider the following, I‘ll appreciate your comments.

OS – Wait for Win 7 / 64 bit.

Drives – (x2) 500GB rather then the (x2) Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G1 80GB SATA (SSD).

Power supply - 1000w rather then 650w.

Processor i7 /920

Heat sinks and fans.

Monitor – you recommend an HDTV – shall I set up a two monitors systems? If yes, which do you recommend?

Sound card – do I need one? Which one?

Thanks
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September 28, 2009 4:26:06 AM

Unless you have the Windows 7 RC, then I would just get Vista with the free Windows 7 upgrade coupon, it will probably cheaper than getting a copy of 7 when its released at the end of October.

You can definitely do 2 Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB HDD in RAID 0 for performance. The SSD will obviously be faster, but its a hell of a lot cheaper to not use SSD.

You do not need 1000W. If this is not a gaming machine, then you could drop down to a GTS250 and 500W PSU. I would keep the Corsair 650TX. Its strong enough to run any card you put in there, and will handle this system will plenty of room to spare.

Keep the i7 920 and OC it to 3.2 Ghz or so.

For a good heatsink, look at the Xigmatech Dark Knight, or Scythe Mugen 2 coolers.

The monitor with HDTV means its supports the highest HD playback, 1080P. I figured if you are going to be working with HD video, you may as well have a monitor suited to display it. It might also be worth getting a GPU with HDMI to enhance your video experience; especially if you are going to be creating blu-ray videos.

You don't need a sound card, on-board sound is sufficient for 75% of people. If you really want to get one, the Asus Xonar cards are solid, as well as the Creative Labs cards.
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September 29, 2009 12:12:16 AM

Transmaniacon
Your comments re Windows 7, Samsung HDD drives and Power Supply noted. Many thanks for your patience.
Heat sink – I shall follow your advice.
GPU with HDMI – ditto.-
Three questions remain
1. - OC the i7 920 – I have never done OC, it sound somehow freightening and over my inteligence level.
2. - HDTV monitor – do you think that I’ll need a second screen? If yes – LCD or another HDTV?
2. - Sound Card; I was told that Premier pro CS4 works better with an independent sound card rather then with the Audio facility provided on the MOB.
Also I usually play music (at this particular instance it is Rachmaninov Piano Concertos Nos. 2 is blaring in the background. ) on a stand-alone system during my work, I am not sure that I’ll want to go down an option of incorporating Premier Audio into my stand alone Audio system.
your thoughts,
Best
ewattoms
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September 29, 2009 1:25:51 AM

OCing with the i7 chipset is pretty simple, there are hundreds of guides out there, and it is a simple and effective process. If you do not feel comfortable doing so, you will still have great performance at stock speeds, or if you want to could get the next CPU up and stick with a higher stock speed.

The monitor I suggested is an LCD monitor, it just happens to be big enough to support full HD playback, ala blu-ray. Two would be nice, but its really just your preference, if you need more workspace, then get two of those.

A sound card will produce better audio, and take some of the load off the CPU. If you have a standalone system that your happy with, then the on-board audio will be plenty.
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September 29, 2009 1:36:31 AM

Many many thanks - you are a gem.
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