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[New System Build] $1500 or so... need help w/parts

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September 12, 2009 6:14:06 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (today? tomorrow? -- ASAP) BUDGET RANGE: (US$1200-1500, want good performance for value)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (gaming, internet, movies, burning DVD and blu-ray)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, 3.5 inch drive, DVD/RW, sound card)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (newegg.com, tigerdirect.com -- there's a tiger direct outlet close to me, so I could buy parts instead of order, but I'm open to suggestions in order to save money or get something cool)

PARTS PREFERENCES: (I don't have any brand loyalty. I've had both AMD and Intel. Never had ATI. Just want good, reliable hardware.)

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, haven't done it before. Have read that it's more common and reliable. Would be open to it. SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe, haven't before. My last PC was a laptop with a 8800M GTX. My last build was 4 years ago? I want the performance of dual gfx cards. I don't know enough about either SLI or CROSSFIRE. Need some help in this department. Don't keep up with hardware the way I used to.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (a 22 inch LCD running 1680x1050 and a 55 inch plasma running 1920x1080, may get a new monitor in the future)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: (I need help choosing the processor, motherboard, RAM and video cards because I haven't kept up to date with benchmarks, prices, etc. I spent the last two days researching, but it's so hard to process all this information. I need some guidance. It's been about 4 years since my last build. I was relying on an Alienware m15x that recently died just after the warranty expired. If I were to rank the things I care about in this build, it would be in this order: performance and value -- there's usually a sweet spot where near top of the line hardware doesn't break the bank; reliability -- I don't want my build breaking down just after the warranties expire; relative portability -- I'm replacing a laptop and would appreciate a case that isn't impossible to move up and down the stairs or to and from different locales... bling isn't important, but I'm not opposed to it. I don't need to pay extra for it. I do, however, want to make sure I have a sufficient cooling system, so far as "bling" is concerned with the case.)

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September 12, 2009 7:11:35 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$10.00 Combo Price: $109.98
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99 Free Shipping*
CORSAIR CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$30.00 Combo Price: $349.98 Free Shipping*
ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156 Intel P55 Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$5.00 Combo Price: $194.98 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM - Retail
Dual Channel Intel Core i5 & Core i7 CPU for P55 motherboard
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM | Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219.99
GIGABYTE GV-N275UD-896I GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $67.99 Free Shipping*
LITE-ON Black 4X BD-ROM SATA Internal 4X Blu-ray Disc Reader Model iHOS104-08 - Retail

Total: $1,112.92

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $94.99
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drives - OEM

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=... <--- Cooler Master Storm Scout
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September 12, 2009 8:21:53 PM

thanks, this looks good... I have a few questions.

I see only one video card. Would this be a sufficient set up? Would I get a significant boost from having two of these? I guess I would like to know the kind of performance I would get if I played a game like Call of Duty 4 or 5 at 1920x1080 with max settings.

Also, would it be worth it to have a second hard drive and do RAID?

I appreciate the help!
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September 12, 2009 8:26:04 PM

Sava said:
thanks, this looks good... I have a few questions.

I see only one video card. Would this be a sufficient set up? Would I get a significant boost from having two of these? I guess I would like to know the kind of performance I would get if I played a game like Call of Duty 4 or 5 at 1920x1080 with max settings.

Also, would it be worth it to have a second hard drive and do RAID?

I appreciate the help!


I put only one vid card in that build for two reasons. First one is that card will max games with your resolution, and second reason...and the most important imo is that the new DX11 vid cards are being released in two weeks. In order to utilize DX11 though you must have Windows 7 o/s and you want to make sure it's the 64 bit version for the fact 32 bit o/s only reads 3 gigs of memory.

As for the RAID...I'm a one HD set up guy myself. Less hassles. One good HD and I'm happy...but then again my needs are simple. Surf the net, gaming, a movie now and then.
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September 12, 2009 8:58:12 PM

okay, that makes sense... I didn't mention this, but I'm going to use the Vista 64 bit (the one that comes with the coupon for Windows 7). With this processor, mobo, and memory, could I take advantage of the dx11 cards when they come out? I want to be in a good position to upgrade and avoid setting up any potential bottlenecks.

My needs are also simple. Most of my movies and music are on external HD's. I only plan on using the internal drive(s) for applications.
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September 12, 2009 9:10:27 PM

Sava said:
okay, that makes sense... I didn't mention this, but I'm going to use the Vista 64 bit (the one that comes with the coupon for Windows 7). With this processor, mobo, and memory, could I take advantage of the dx11 cards when they come out? I want to be in a good position to upgrade and avoid setting up any potential bottlenecks.

My needs are also simple. Most of my movies and music are on external HD's. I only plan on using the internal drive(s) for applications.


These i5 cpu's are new. Intel just came out with them a few days ago..sans the reason for not many reviews on newegg yet. But they are the best thing since sliced bread imo. I will post some benchmarks on here for you to check out. Here's a combo deal with that RAM up above and that Windows o/s.

XP supports DX9, Vista supports DX10, and Windows 7 supports DX11.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$5.00 Combo Price: $194.98 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM - Retail
Dual Channel Intel Core i5 & Core i7 CPU for P55 motherboard
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM | Includes free Windows 7 upgrade coupon

http://www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/reviews/cpus/intel-core-i5-7...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-lynnfield,2...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/09/08/intel-...

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-Core-i5-and-i7-Pr...
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September 12, 2009 9:56:37 PM

Okay, you have been very helpful. Thank you. I was a bit confused about the i5, i7, and AMD's Phenom. It was seemingly impossible to decide which I was going to use. The i5 definitely seems like the best buy.

It looks like I'll go with the i5 750 and P55 combo, the GTX 275, the RAM and Vista combo, PSU, case, and HD.

oooh, I'm so excited! :) 

I love the build process!

I have one last question. I have a SB Audigy 2 ZS Platinum sound card. Would it be worth it to install it on this PC or does the onboard sound suffice? I've got Logitech 5.1 speakers and want to take advantage of the surround sound. Does the mobo's sound do a good enough job to warrant using it over the card I have?
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September 12, 2009 10:00:50 PM

Sava said:
Okay, you have been very helpful. Thank you. I was a bit confused about the i5, i7, and AMD's Phenom. It was seemingly impossible to decide which I was going to use. The i5 definitely seems like the best buy.

It looks like I'll go with the i5 750 and P55 combo, the GTX 275, the RAM and Vista combo, PSU, case, and HD.

oooh, I'm so excited! :) 

I love the build process!

I have one last question. I have a SB Audigy 2 ZS Platinum sound card. Would it be worth it to install it on this PC or does the onboard sound suffice? I've got Logitech 5.1 speakers and want to take advantage of the surround sound. Does the mobo's sound do a good enough job to warrant using it over the card I have?


I would definitely hold off on getting a sound card until you hear the onboard sound first. Onboard sound these days is so good that not many peeps buy sound cards these days. It's really come a long way in the last few years. I have to say that build of yours rocks big time. In fact after I posted it...Iv'e went back and checked it out a few times. My neighbor saw it and he's ordering it and I'm seriously thinking of ordering that same exact build for myself (minus the blu ray ..can't afford it atm)... like...today. :D 
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September 12, 2009 10:26:42 PM

I'm hoping it does the job. :) 

The real test will be when I load up my first game of Supreme Commander or Call of Duty and check my fps. My laptop (an Alienware m15x, core duo 2.5 Ghz, 8800m GTS, 4 gb ram) barely could give me decent rates on Counter-Strike or Battlefield 2, let alone anything current gen. It gave me nothing but trouble and finally crapped out on me last week during a game of Hearts of Iron 3!

It was nice being able to plug the laptop into my plasma tv to watch movies. The thing supposedly had a blu-ray burner, but I could never get it to even watch movies. I'm hoping to have this build be a good gaming platform + a blu-ray machine. :) 
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September 12, 2009 10:39:08 PM

Hmmm, another question. If I do SLI with this mobo, do I lose efficiency due to the PCI-e configuration?

If so, will it be significant?

And if so, would it be worth looking at a different mobo or vid card? Do Crossfire instead?
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September 12, 2009 10:44:36 PM

Sava said:
Hmmm, another question. If I do SLI with this mobo, do I lose efficiency due to the PCI-e configuration?

If so, will it be significant?

And if so, would it be worth looking at a different mobo or vid card? Do Crossfire instead?


These i5 boards run SLI and Crossfire (dual vid cards) @ 8x and 8x, and a single card @ 16x. So it splits the bandwidth in half. But it doesn't make any real difference unless your pushing high settings on super high resolution. Here's a article done on it here at Toms the other day.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-gaming,2403... <--- this article / benchmarks here
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September 12, 2009 10:50:00 PM

Also, if I'm feeling greedy and want to add another 4gb of that RAM and GTX 295 instead, would that just kick it up another notch or am I wasting money at this point?

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MSI N295GTX-2D1792 GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card -
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September 12, 2009 10:57:22 PM

Sava said:
Also, if I'm feeling greedy and want to add another 4gb of that RAM and GTX 295 instead, would that just kick it up another notch or am I wasting money at this point?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM -

MSI N295GTX-2D1792 GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card -


Don't do that. The 295's are giant rip offs and 4 gigs of dual channel DDR3 RAM is a lot of memory...not to mention 4 sticks of RAM side by side creates a lot of heat, and can also hold back your o/c.

The gtx 295's are two down clocked gtx 275's in one card but they are clocked down for heat. I would wait on that. One gtx 275 will rip up those games you mentioned on your resolution. If you feel you need more then order another one...but hold on for now. Also these new DX11 cards come out in a few weeks which should drive the prices down on all the other cards by a few dollars.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-sli,229... <--- dual gtx 275's in SLI > gtx 295

That build as it stands rocks big time.
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September 12, 2009 11:01:33 PM

Okay, that article was helpful. Still though, do you think the GTX 275 will be good enough? They were testing S.T.A.L.K.E.R. at 1680x1050 (my LCD's native resolution) with max settings and getting, what, 55-60 fps? What about when I get into action? Is it going to slow down to 20-30 fps with a card like the GTX 275?

Basically, I want to be able to play with max settings and not worry about this. :) 


edit: xpost

okay... got it... I'll do one card now and perhaps get another if the need arises.

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September 13, 2009 4:47:02 AM

Sava, I'm just about in the same shoes, but I'm not buying my system until the end of October.

If you're not in a huge rush, I'd recommend holding off until the 58xx series comes out on the 23rd. You'll at least safe a little, as the new generation is bound to push down the prices a bit, but you may also want to consider getting something in the 58xx range instead.

The way I read about Core i5 is that there's a potential bottleneck with using SLI/Crossfire, so it seems like it would be a better idea to get one strong card than getting a mid-range now and another later. Since i5 is very new and 5800's have just been "unveiled", there aren't any benchmarks (that I'm aware of) to put them together, but within a couple of weeks you'd have a much clearer picture of the market.

As I understand it, 5870 will outperform GTX 295, at $400, but there's also a $300 5850, which I haven't seen much talk about, but should be a solid card as well.
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September 13, 2009 5:53:43 AM

Order the system now...but for the vid card...just get a el cheapo $30 card or in that range to boot it up. By the time you get your parts, and put it together the new DX11 cards will be in , and you can order one and slap it in. That way you don't have to wait so long to order it and get it running. My two cents anyways.
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September 28, 2009 5:43:26 PM

Update: I ordered the system. I got the GTX275. Everything is perfect. The i5 processor is amazing. I'm surprised that it stays so cool. I've run games at max settings, getting 100+ fps, and the thing barely gets above 30 degrees Celsius. The only complaint that I have is that the case can barely fit the processor cooler. I am unable to install a second case fan on the side, but as I said, the temps are fine without it.

Overall, I would recommend this setup to anyone. I spent about $1200. The install was easy. This is the happiest I've been with a PC in a long time. :) 

Thanks for your help!
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September 29, 2009 12:53:25 AM

Sava said:
Update: I ordered the system. I got the GTX275. Everything is perfect. The i5 processor is amazing. I'm surprised that it stays so cool. I've run games at max settings, getting 100+ fps, and the thing barely gets above 30 degrees Celsius. The only complaint that I have is that the case can barely fit the processor cooler. I am unable to install a second case fan on the side, but as I said, the temps are fine without it.

Overall, I would recommend this setup to anyone. I spent about $1200. The install was easy. This is the happiest I've been with a PC in a long time. :) 

Thanks for your help!


I'm glad everything went smoothly for you. :)  btw, nice temps on that cpu. :sol: 
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