I am sad about HD 5870

this is so stupid. the same price with GTX 295.
but less power than 295.
one thing that is better than 295 is

295 - 300-350W
5870 - 200-250w

I am going to sell my 5870 and wait for 5870X2 or GT300.

one more question. um...

somebody told me that 5870 will be better then 295 when the new drive for 5870 is out.

true?

Add a reply

Register or log in to remove.

ati 5870 380$ gtx295 450$+
Performs slightly less then a gtx295 but with dx11 im sure it will beat a gtx295. New card performance should get better as drivers mature and more dx11 games are available.

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to invisik

invisik wrote :

ati 5870 380$ gtx295 450$+
Performs slightly less then a gtx295 but with dx11 im sure it will beat a gtx295. New card performance should get better as drivers mature and more dx11 games are available.

Exactly.

------------------------------ CPU: Intel Core i7 920 @3.2Ghz, MOBO: Asus P6T SE, RAM: 3x 2gb OCZ Platinum OCZ3P1600LV6GK, GPU: Sapphire HD 5870, PSU: Corsair HX520W, HDD: Seagate ST31000528AS 1Tb 32mb, COOLER: Scythe Mugen (S775 version), CASE: Coolermaster CM690
Reply to Gulli

Lol. . .

By selling you mean returning for full price?

Reply to pluke the 2

one thing i can name about 5 things that the 5870 is better than the 295 :pfff:

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by sirkillalot on 09-29-2009 at 10:44:13 PM

------------------------------ AMD P2955X4 ATI 5870 DX11 [:boudy:2]

24" dell 1900x1200 2x74 wraptor hd's1 X-FI pro gamer sounds
2G ram log.Z5500 speakers 650w toughpower G15kb dvd....ITS A MEAN GREEN GAMING MACHINE
Reply to sirkillalot

sirkillalot wrote :

one thing i can name about 5 things that the 5870 is better than the 295 :pfff:

Haha, I second that.

Reply to pluke the 2

1. 5870 has early drivers, its performance will improve with updates. GTX295 won't get any better than it already is.

2. 5870 is a single card, and doesn't suffer from Sli/Xfire scaling issues like the GTX295

3. 5870 costs $399, GTX295 costs $499

4. 5870 is dx11 compatible, GTX295 is only dx10 compatible

5. 5870 uses less power and runs cooler than the GTX295

Message quoted 2 times

Reply to Bluescreendeath

Bluescreendeath wrote :

1. 5870 has early drivers, its performance will improve with updates. GTX295 won't get any better than it already is.

2. 5870 is a single card, and doesn't suffer from Sli/Xfire scaling issues like the GTX295

3. 5870 costs $399, GTX295 costs $499

4. 5870 is dx11 compatible, GTX295 is only dx10 compatible

5. 5870 uses less power and runs cooler than the GTX295

6. See all of the above.

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to shadow187

Bluescreendeath wrote :

1. 5870 has early drivers, its performance will improve with updates. GTX295 won't get any better than it already is.

2. 5870 is a single card, and doesn't suffer from Sli/Xfire scaling issues like the GTX295

3. 5870 costs $399, GTX295 costs $499

4. 5870 is dx11 compatible, GTX295 is only dx10 compatible

5. 5870 uses less power and runs cooler than the GTX295

shadow187 wrote :

6. See all of the above.

7. 5870 produces the same or higher amount of minimum frame rates as the GTX 295 meaning it will perform the same in all but benchmarks (extension of #2)

8. 5870 can be crossfired producing far greater performance than daul GTX 295s with very immature drivers.

9. Eyefinty is cool for some and is a nice thing to have.

10. Crossfire is supported in all mainstream and highend Intel and AMD platforms while nVidia is not always.

11. 5870 is one of the most ridiculous looking cards thanks to the ugly heatsink... erm wait wrong list.

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

The_Blood_Raven wrote :

7. 5870 produces the same or higher amount of minimum frame rates as the GTX 295 meaning it will perform the same in all but benchmarks (extension of #2)

8. 5870 can be crossfired producing far greater performance than daul GTX 295s with very immature drivers.

9. Eyefinty is cool for some and is a nice thing to have.

10. Crossfire is supported in all mainstream and highend Intel and AMD platforms while nVidia is not always.

11. 5870 is one of the most ridiculous looking cards thanks to the ugly heatsink... erm wait wrong list.

http://www.legitreviews.com/images [...] batman.jpg

12. see above

Reply to nun

Yes, you are still using beta drivers, so performance will improve. How much will be a guess, but if history repeats it should be enough to tie/beat the 295. If you really already have one, I don't see any reason to get rid of it, though you could always send it to me.

------------------------------ New Build : Intel Core i5 750 > Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4P > 2x2GB GSkill 1600MHz CL7 1.65V > Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB >
Antec 300 Illusion > Asus 4850 512MB w/AM Cooler > Corsair 650HX > CM Hyper 212 Plus > Other: PII 940/Gigabyte 790GX/4850 1G
Reply to EXT64

Send it to me, I will pay for the shipping cost, LOL!

Reply to andy5174

Personally I love the heatsinks, beats leaving the plain pcb just sitting there all ugly like.

Reply to annisman

um.....looks all make sence.....I would like to get a 5870X2 if it only cost 499 or maybe 549.

Message quoted 2 times

Reply to runegate

**** The_Blood_Raven ****

I love that bat mobile it think it looks kewl :ouch:

holy ATI batman !
lol

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by sirkillalot on 09-30-2009 at 10:22:47 AM

------------------------------ AMD P2955X4 ATI 5870 DX11 [:boudy:2]

24" dell 1900x1200 2x74 wraptor hd's1 X-FI pro gamer sounds
2G ram log.Z5500 speakers 650w toughpower G15kb dvd....ITS A MEAN GREEN GAMING MACHINE
Reply to sirkillalot

The electricity savings would make any price difference negligible.

"TWO" 5870's in crossfire uses 80w less than a GTX295.

At idle crossfire 5870's only use 54w. You dont even want to know what the idle power of a GTX295 is.

Not to mention the GTX295 is using "mature" drivers. 5870 Performance will surely improve up to 20% with future drivers.

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by zipzoomflyhigh on 09-30-2009 at 02:20:18 PM

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

"TWO" 5870's in crossfire uses 80w less than a GTX295.

The GTX295 use 289W, one 5870 use 189W, two 5870's will use 378w.

So "TWO" 5870's will use 89W more than a GTX295 not less…

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to Successful_troll

runegate wrote :

um.....looks all make sence.....I would like to get a 5870X2 if it only cost 499 or maybe 549.

I suggest you to buy three 5870’s what I did.
3 HD5870 = awesome…

As far for the power consumption I have to say that it is only relevant for the poor people…

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to Successful_troll

Well when power is 35c/kWh like it is for me you don't need to be poor...

Reply to randomizer

gtx 300 will fipe the floor with that 5870, by by ati see you in the next round

Message quoted 2 times

Reply to Anonymous

Anonymous wrote :

gtx 300 will fipe the floor with that 5870, by by ati see you in the next round

Not a fair comparison, because it will be launched much later (there's always something better coming up, so you can only compare cards launched at the same time.)
Uf course you knew that already, and you just couldn't resist trolling.

Message quoted 2 times
Message edited by Gulli on 09-30-2009 at 06:48:33 PM

------------------------------ CPU: Intel Core i7 920 @3.2Ghz, MOBO: Asus P6T SE, RAM: 3x 2gb OCZ Platinum OCZ3P1600LV6GK, GPU: Sapphire HD 5870, PSU: Corsair HX520W, HDD: Seagate ST31000528AS 1Tb 32mb, COOLER: Scythe Mugen (S775 version), CASE: Coolermaster CM690
Reply to Gulli

runegate wrote :

um.....looks all make sence.....I would like to get a 5870X2 if it only cost 499 or maybe 549.

No one knows pricing for sure of the 5870x2, but I highly doubt it will be only 100-150 more than a single 5870. Unless it doesn't show up until Nvidia has its new cards out, and is priced ultra competitively out the gate.

------------------------------

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/822692.png

PhIIx3 710 @3.55ghz/1.5v w/ Scythe Samurai Zz HSF-24/49c ~ 4gb OCZ Gold XTC 5-6-6-18 @1092mhz ~ Sapphire 4870 512MB (795/1025)
Reply to JofaMang

Gulli wrote :

Not a fair comparison, because it will be launched much later (there's always something better coming up, so you can only compare cards launched at the same time.)
Uf course you knew that already, and you just couldn't resist trolling.

Nvidia need time to prepare that beast

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to Anonymous

Anonymous wrote :

Nvidia need time to prepare that beast

And around it goes. Do you not understand, that unless both companies decide on releasing their new products at the same time everytime, this will ALWAYS be the cycle?

------------------------------

PhIIx3 710 @3.55ghz/1.5v w/ Scythe Samurai Zz HSF-24/49c ~ 4gb OCZ Gold XTC 5-6-6-18 @1092mhz ~ Sapphire 4870 512MB (795/1025)
Reply to JofaMang

im just curious will one gtx 360 fit in cm 690?

Message quoted 2 times
Message edited by Anonymous on 09-30-2009 at 07:45:47 PM

Reply to Anonymous

Successful_troll wrote :

The GTX295 use 289W, one 5870 use 189W, two 5870's will use 378w.

So "TWO" 5870's will use 89W more than a GTX295 not less…

Ummm...not according to TOMS review of the 5870.

Quote :

Firing up FurMark shows that, even at 40nm, 2.15 billion transistors still use up a lot of juice. A single Radeon HD 5870 still uses about 25W more than a Radeon HD 4890 under load. And adding a second board in CrossFire mode increases consumption by another 207W, bringing the total to 561W. Incidentally, that’s 71W more than a Radeon HD 4870 X2 and 79W less than a GeForce GTX 295. The worst power offender is a pair of GeForce GTX 285s in SLI though, which take system power up to 620W.

Read it and weep troll.

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by zipzoomflyhigh on 09-30-2009 at 07:50:04 PM

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

Anonymous wrote :

gtx 300 will fipe the floor with that 5870, by by ati see you in the next round

Yeah, maybe in 3 months.....LOL.......of course you poor troll already knew something better would be in the future.....poor Nvidia, getting farther and farther behind.

Message edited by zipzoomflyhigh on 09-30-2009 at 07:48:05 PM

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

Anonymous wrote :

im just curious will one gtx 360 fit in cm 690?

It totally depends on how many angels you can fit on a head of a pin.

Message quoted 1 times

------------------------------

PhIIx3 710 @3.55ghz/1.5v w/ Scythe Samurai Zz HSF-24/49c ~ 4gb OCZ Gold XTC 5-6-6-18 @1092mhz ~ Sapphire 4870 512MB (795/1025)
Reply to JofaMang

Successful_troll wrote :

I suggest you to buy three 5870’s what I did.
3 HD5870 = awesome…

As far for the power consumption I have to say that it is only relevant for the poor people…

Yeah, I guess when you mom pays the power bill its irrelevant....lol

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

Anonymous wrote :

im just curious will one gtx 360 fit in cm 690?

JofaMang wrote :

It totally depends on how many angels you can fit on a head of a pin.

cm 690 i think its biggest mid tower case i hope so it will fit, i dont want full tower

Reply to Anonymous

I don't see why it wouldn't. You could always mod the case if it didn't.

------------------------------ New Build : Intel Core i5 750 > Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4P > 2x2GB GSkill 1600MHz CL7 1.65V > Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB >
Antec 300 Illusion > Asus 4850 512MB w/AM Cooler > Corsair 650HX > CM Hyper 212 Plus > Other: PII 940/Gigabyte 790GX/4850 1G
Reply to EXT64

yes i know but all cases have their limit.

Reply to Anonymous

Well, until we have the final size on the card we really won't know. Are you referring to the 360 or the 380 (GTX). The 380 might be huge, but again, pure speculation. Hopefully as the cards take shape and proliferate we'll get more concrete numbers.

------------------------------ New Build : Intel Core i5 750 > Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4P > 2x2GB GSkill 1600MHz CL7 1.65V > Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB >
Antec 300 Illusion > Asus 4850 512MB w/AM Cooler > Corsair 650HX > CM Hyper 212 Plus > Other: PII 940/Gigabyte 790GX/4850 1G
Reply to EXT64

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

Ummm...not according to TOMS review of the 5870.

Read it and weep troll.

Read it and weep zipzoomflyhigh

Message edited by Successful_troll on 09-30-2009 at 09:49:20 PM

Reply to Successful_troll

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

Yeah, I guess when you mom pays the power bill its irrelevant....lol

I guess you are jealous because I have 3 HD5870 and you only have one miserable HD4850

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to Successful_troll

Link or it didn't happen.

------------------------------

PhIIx3 710 @3.55ghz/1.5v w/ Scythe Samurai Zz HSF-24/49c ~ 4gb OCZ Gold XTC 5-6-6-18 @1092mhz ~ Sapphire 4870 512MB (795/1025)
Reply to JofaMang

Just out of curiosity... how did you get 3, troll? I haven't seen a place with more than a 2 per person limit. To be honest I'm not sure I believe you. Also, if you have $1140 to spend then why the HELL didn't you wait for the 5870 X2 to come out and get 2 of those for less, you would undoubtedly get better performance.

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

Successful_troll wrote :

I guess you are jealous because I have 3 HD5870 and you only have one miserable HD4850

I dont know what that chart is showing but it contradicts ATI's powe claims and THG's own quotes from the same article. I'm talking about active and idle consumption according to AMD's website and the info I got from Tom's article on the 5870. I quoted Tom's above, did you not read the quote?

Lets do a simple math lesson here kiddy.

1 5870 uses 188w when active. How can 2 active use 561w. The chart is full load.

1 5870 idles at 27w. So theres no way 2 can idle at 166w.

Quote from Tom's Hardware:

Quote :

ATI rates the Radeon HD 5870 at 27W idle and 188W active.

Oh and by the way, I love my HD4850, and if I wanted 3 5870's I'd go buy them today but I have no use for that. I'd rather pay for my boat, my house and my two cars. Beats living at mommies and getting allowance huh?

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by zipzoomflyhigh on 09-30-2009 at 11:29:29 PM

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

The_Blood_Raven wrote :

Just out of curiosity... how did you get 3, troll? I haven't seen a place with more than a 2 per person limit. To be honest I'm not sure I believe you. Also, if you have $1140 to spend then why the HELL didn't you wait for the 5870 X2 to come out and get 2 of those for less, you would undoubtedly get better performance.

CUz he's a little boy with too much time on his hands. Obviously he has a small peener so he thinks a big e-peen will make him a bigger man. It wont.

Not to mention having 3 5870's would be totally moronic because there is no cpu out there even at 4.5ghz that could even keep up with them. So if you did get mommy to buy you 3 5870's then your a total friggin idiot to begin with and you wasted your money (oops mommies money)

If the chart above is correct you would need 800w just to run your video cards add 200w for your processor and then add for anything else like mobo, ram, hdd's, dvd, soundcard, etc. So you would need a BARE minimum 1200w power supply. Got one of those?

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by zipzoomflyhigh on 09-30-2009 at 11:22:41 PM

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

Look at the dudes name, then think to yourself, why should I devote any mental capabilities to responding to anything he says. Successful Troll, indeed.

------------------------------

PhIIx3 710 @3.55ghz/1.5v w/ Scythe Samurai Zz HSF-24/49c ~ 4gb OCZ Gold XTC 5-6-6-18 @1092mhz ~ Sapphire 4870 512MB (795/1025)
Reply to JofaMang

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

I dont know what that chart is showing but it contradicts ATI's powe claims and THG's own quotes from the same article. I'm talking about active and idle consumption according to AMD's website and the info I got from Tom's article on the 5870. I quoted Tom's above, did you not read the quote?

Lets do a simple math lesson here kiddy.

1 5870 uses 188w when active. So theres no way 2 can use 561w.

1 5870 idles at 27w. So theres no way 2 can idle at 166w. Starting to get it now?

This chart shows the power consumption of the entire system but I guess is so difficult for you to understand.

i7-975 OC 4GHz/x58/6GB ram / 2 HD5870’s consume 561W load
i7-975 OC 4GHz/x58/6GB ram / GTX295 consume 482W load

561W > 482W

get it now?

If you steel believe that the 2 5870’s consume less power that the GTX295, then you are living in your own little world…

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

Not to mention having 3 5870's would be totally moronic because there is no cpu out there even at 4.5ghz that could even keep up with them. So if you did get mommy to buy you 3 5870's then your a total friggin idiot to begin with and you wasted your money (oops mommies money)

I have 30’ (2560x1600) and i7-975 OC 5GHz (Custom W/C) as you can see the i7-975 can perfectly keep up with 3 5870’s…

Reply to Successful_troll

Wow, a 30 FOOT monitor. Where can I get one of those?

Message edited by EXT64 on 10-01-2009 at 12:38:11 AM

------------------------------ New Build : Intel Core i5 750 > Gigabyte GA-P55-UD4P > 2x2GB GSkill 1600MHz CL7 1.65V > Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB >
Antec 300 Illusion > Asus 4850 512MB w/AM Cooler > Corsair 650HX > CM Hyper 212 Plus > Other: PII 940/Gigabyte 790GX/4850 1G
Reply to EXT64

Yeah well my goal was to Successful...ly shrivel his e-peen back to reality. :cry:

Message edited by zipzoomflyhigh on 10-01-2009 at 01:09:30 AM

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

I'm not sure I like this new trend that reviewers use furmark or occt to create ridiculously high power consumption values for the graphics cards, you won't be seeing anything close to those numbers when gaming...

and I think this is right time for a little funny flash
Successful troll is successful
Since that toms article clearly shows facts on the graph and then says completely opposite in the text.

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to Kari

Furmark is a "repeatable" (for lack of a better word) load, games do not provide a 100% repeatable load except perhaps a demo using the Source engine.

Reply to randomizer

An 975 at 5GHz on water... I thought it was difficult to get an i7 to 5GHz on LN2...

Message quoted 1 times

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

Kari wrote :

Successful troll is successful

Epic, bookmarked! :lol:

Even better!

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by The_Blood_Raven on 10-01-2009 at 05:05:29 AM

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

The_Blood_Raven wrote :

An 975 at 5GHz on water... I thought it was difficult to get an i7 to 5GHz on LN2...

Dude is a complete liar. I think he has lost all credibility here. First it was the power the cards use, now he says its the entire system lol.

Tom's and AMD both state the 5870 is 188w and 2 of them consume 79w LESS than a GTX295, not to mention 2 5870's in crossfire idle at 54w. I guess he just doesn't know math.

So how much did your mommy pay for the 30 foot monitor? LOL

Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

The_Blood_Raven wrote :

Epic, bookmarked! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JWZQOHcbtE&
Even better!

lol, so much livelier
did you made that youself?

Reply to Kari

Sorry, i just have to jump in with regards to the power consumption - it's pretty straightforward, and successful Troll is more correct.

first, Tom's quote:

Quote :

Incidentally, that’s 71W more than a Radeon HD 4870 X2 and 79W less than a GeForce GTX 295.

But look at the chart (power consumption at the socket - how could it NOT be the load of the entire computer? Also, if everyone measures the 5870 at 180-ish, then why does this chart have it at 354?)

The article text clearly is a typo.

The numbers (I can't copy paste the chart here):

5870:
idle = 141
load =354

2x 5870:
idle = 166
load = 561

295:
idle = 195
load = 482

So the difference between 1 and 2 hd5870's is, surprise surprise, 25W idle and 207W load. (curiously right within the boundaries of the oft-spoken 27W and 188W card usage)

If the 295 uses 128W more than a single 5870, how could the second card possibly use merely ~60W more at load to stay 70W below the 295?

However, 2x 5870 do use less power at idle, namely 29W.

These charts aren't that complicated....

Message quoted 1 times
Message edited by eaclou on 10-01-2009 at 06:25:30 PM

Reply to eaclou

Focus On

Forum Graphic & Displays : Graphics Cards - I am sad about HD 5870