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September 13, 2009 3:46:06 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (next 30 days) BUDGET RANGE: ($2000)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (gaming,media,video editing)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (monitor,keyboard,mouse,speakers,software)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (newegg.com)

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type (intel,ati unless i can get more power from sli or such)

OVERCLOCKING: Yes SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe...as stated above if necessary for best performance(read below)

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: my main concern is my graphics and processor. i would
like to control these fans externally. i have a 1950xtx now and have had to use
3rd party software for control and most have not been reliable. would also need temp
monitor with alarm for both. for the case my main concern is airflow not looks. i do have
razer keyboard and mouse which light up blue, but matching blue components are not a
major concern. a 1000 watt power supply is what i would like to have even if i dont need it now,
just for future needs. to break it all down i dont need the very best processor but would like
to be set for a while. dont know much about the I chips but if they are going to be around for a
while then that would work. i just would like to be able to upgrade down the road. i have a
dell xps 400 that can only handle a pen D. basically i dont like to be limited when it comes to
upgrades and games on high settings. A new router would come in handy for streaming
audio/video in my house. i have never used water cooling but could be an option. pointed in
the right direction for quality and the rest im sure i can handle. little info on me..i am a gamer
at heart,mainly BF2. going to school for programming but know my way around with
hardware. i have built 9 computers to date but know i dont have all the answers. a list of a few
items i have looked at below......thanks for your time.


XFX HD-487A-CDF9 Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


KINGWIN Mach 1 ABT-1000MA1S 1000W ATX / BTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


D-Link DGL-4500 IEEE 802.3/3u, IEEE 802.11a/b/g, IEEE802.11n
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




Hi there shortstuff_mt.
September 13, 2009 3:57:21 AM

What's your monitors resolution. We can't do much without knowing that.
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September 13, 2009 4:03:03 AM

You're going to get it 30 days from now and ATI is releasing HD5000 series less than 20 days from now!!
Why go with an i7 build with that budget, You can easily fit an i7 build to that budget with the new HD5870 which will BTW pretty much outperform even GTX295 :wahoo:  :bounce:  , Exciting huh!!

Medo
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September 13, 2009 4:34:56 AM

With a $2k budget, I'd grab a i7 920 be looking at directing the money to more storage and other upgrades. Howz ya case temps ? Can ya case fans move enough air to keep your new components cool. If you don't have a high air flow case, your choice of graphics cards could be limited. ATI's can run 25 or more degrees higher than an equivalent nVidia card for example. So if cooling is a concern, this should be one of your 1st choices. I'd recommend one of the ones here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/full-tower-case,210...

As much as I sympathize with the many expecting upcoming releases .... posts like this give me pause.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266246-33-timeframe-5...
http://neoseeker.com/news/10525-ati-hd-5000-series-expe...
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September 13, 2009 4:39:06 AM

The new HD5000 series use a new cooler designed by Arctic Cooling as the reference design and if companies are going to change anything it'd be to a better thing (obviously for more money!) but the reference cooler will do it well anyway, And it covers the WHOLE card cooling the chip, memory controller and some other things.

How about the Cooler Master HAF 932 case?

Medo
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September 13, 2009 4:42:29 AM

psycho sykes said:
The new HD5000 series use a new cooler designed by Arctic Cooling as the reference design and if companies are going to change anything it'd be to a better thing (obviously for more money!) but the reference cooler will do it well anyway, And it covers the WHOLE card cooling the chip, memory controller and some other things.

How about the Cooler Master HAF 932 case?

Medo

Agreed
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September 13, 2009 4:45:25 AM

+2 :p  haha (don't mean anything :)  )

Medo
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September 13, 2009 4:48:53 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
As much as I sympathize with the many expecting upcoming releases .... posts like this give me pause.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266246-33-timeframe-5...
http://neoseeker.com/news/10525-ati-hd-5000-series-expe...


It's only ONE thread with only ONE reply and it was posted on JUNE :ouch:  :ouch:  !!!!!!!!

And now the press conference is already held, The specs have been confirmed and the release date was said (Behind the scenes) to be Sep. 23rd, 2009 or so.

Medo
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September 13, 2009 4:56:21 AM

you said you wanted upgradeability but you chose to go with the C2Q 9650, although a one of the highest C2Qs its an lga 775 socket and intel wont be making any more chips for it as far as i know. youd be better off with an i5, which would cost just as much with better/near best performance on the market today.

for a graphics card, i agree that you should wait till the HD 5870 is out it seems to be just right for your budget and provides better performance than the HD 4870 X2. Or you can wait till the price drops for the 4870 when the new cards come out.
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September 13, 2009 5:01:29 AM

my res is 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz i would need a new case as the computer i am replacing is dell xps 400 btx case. as i stated airflow is main concern for case
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September 13, 2009 5:02:54 AM

^ +1 for i5 or i7
+ 2 for HD5000 (both of us ;)  )
+ another 1 for i7 (i said it! :)  )

I think you should seriously re-consider your selection.

Medo
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September 13, 2009 5:04:01 AM

Try the Cooler Master HAF 932 or Antec 1200
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September 13, 2009 5:09:48 AM

psycho sykes said:
^ +1 for i5 or i7
+ 2 for HD5000 (both of us ;)  )
+ another 1 for i7 (i said it! :)  )
Medo


+1 to all of those

i wouldn't get a new LGA 775 system, and for $2k i7 shouldn't be a problem (as the 5870 will be the same price as the 4870X2 is now and out perform it)
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September 13, 2009 5:18:04 AM

^ +1 :D 

Actually the HD5870 is going to outperform GTX295 easily!! :bounce: 
Also a 2K i7 system would be superb as I managed to gather a VERY VERY GOOD i7 (1366) system for $1400!! But unfortunately still only on paper :(  And I'm now working to get it to reality but waiting for a few things, You might want to take a look at this

Medo
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September 13, 2009 5:26:11 AM

how about the case with best airflow $200 or less with four or more external drive bays
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September 13, 2009 5:40:01 AM

i like the first and would say that is my favorite as well
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September 13, 2009 5:41:29 AM

lets say i go with a I7 and the HD5000 what would be a good motherboard?
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September 13, 2009 5:42:12 AM

^ Here you go :D 

Also what have you decided about the platform ?!

Medo
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September 13, 2009 5:44:41 AM

Um.. Sorry for the wrong post order...

What's your maximum budget for the main-board (only) ??
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September 13, 2009 5:50:44 AM

mainboard $150-$250 windows 7 maybe with xp dual
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September 13, 2009 6:17:37 AM

Psycho enough with the double posting 1-2 minutes after your previous post...
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September 13, 2009 6:57:23 AM

i read your post and i agree with waiting but only because older hardware will be cheaper. im sure the new stuff is going to be up there in price
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September 13, 2009 7:08:37 AM

The Main-Boards with USB 3.0 and SATA 6G for P55 and X58 will completely replace the current ones but i don't know when will they come out and expect P55 boards to take longer time to use them (please don't count the Asus P6 P55 Premium), Also I think I'll wait for Intel to release a new Chip or an updated version (X58i or X68) to actually provide native support for those interfaces because I don't trust Marvell etc. when it comes to chips (electronic ones :)  ).
For the price I don't think it'll be that high, Most probably Main-boards' vendors will make various models with different price points and their flag-ship parts won't be like anything available now, For example expect an Asus Rampage III Extreme with 24 + 3 + 3 + 4 power phase design, Hybrid extreme phases, Q Extreme design, USB 3.0 and SATA 6G, iROG II etc. . Then expect it to be priced like $450~ And the lower end regular RIIE with the new techs support only to be like $350 which is its price right now without them.

Medo
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September 13, 2009 7:19:22 AM

I didn't put a vid card in this build for the fact I'm not sure if you want to wait for the new DX11 cards to come out in a few weeks (personally I would get the one of the new DX11's). But you can order this now ...which I would do if I were you just in case any of this sells out. Get it now while it's in stock. This case is actually wider than the 932 HAF and give you more room for large vid cards. It's a good one. That wireless cards is about as good as it gets, and the same with that router you chose. This build is set up to o/c, and run cool. It's set up to add more fans to it also not to mention it has a space behind the mobo tray to put all your extra/unused cables (good cable management). Cooler Master has some good LED fans for this case. The psu is 850w, and it's most likely more juice than you will ever need...but you got it if you ever need it in the future. The RAM is fast and it won't hold you back on o/c. The mobo is a good one also. It's set up for SLI or Crossfire and has great cooling and o/c utilities. It's a dandy at this price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $109.99 Combo Discount: -$10.00 Combo Price: $129.98
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $139.99 ($119.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate Card) Free Shipping*
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$30.00 Combo Price: $349.98 Free Shipping*
ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156 Intel P55 Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $4.99
Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $94.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
Dual Channel Intel Core i5 & Core i7 CPU for P55 motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $74.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $29.99 Free Shipping*
Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $34.99
EDIMAX EW-7728In IEEE 802.11b/g, IEEE 802.11n Draft 32bit PCI Wireless 802.11n Draft 2.0 PCI Card Up to 300Mbps Wireless Data Rates WEP 64/128, WPA, WPA2 Cisco CCX V1.0, V2.0 & V3.0 Compliance - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $149.99 Free Shipping*
D-Link DGL-4500 IEEE 802.3/3u, IEEE 802.11a/b/g, IEEE802.11n Draft Xtreme N Gaming Router - Retail

$1,058.93

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/landing/haf922/ <--- Cooler Master HAF 922

* i7 version of that build. Swap out mobo/cpu, RAM, and h/s with this down below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99
ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $399.98 $10.00 Mail-In Rebate Card Price After Mail-In Rebate(s): $389.98 Free Shipping*
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8 G - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $36.99
Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
Free Scythe fan w/ purchase, while supplies last
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September 13, 2009 7:25:42 AM

^ That's 1156!!!

@Why_Me Check your PM Inbox.
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September 13, 2009 2:07:56 PM

psycho sykes said:
It's only ONE thread with only ONE reply and it was posted on JUNE :ouch:  :ouch:  !!!!!!!!


Well there were two url's, cuda been 30.

psycho sykes said:
And now the press conference is already held, The specs have been confirmed and the release date was said (Behind the scenes) to be Sep. 23rd, 2009 or so.


So there's this big press conference w/ radical news and an actual ship date and, after 10 months of rumors and speculation on 1,000's of sites, not one blog or tech site found it worthy of mention ? Isn't the purpose of a press conference to get the news out to the press who in turn gets it out to the public ? Not picking on ATI, both ATI and nVidia were to have big press conferences that day. I dunno what it is but something is "off".
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September 13, 2009 2:30:12 PM

^ +1 for the very last sentence.
For ATI press conference they talked more about ATI EyeFinity and that's mostly why tech. sites haven't been worried about them (in the form of HD5000 specs announced) Also nVidia'a press conference isn't held yet as a link someone posted here, BUT I already got those info from some sites like Guru3D and Anand Tech. Even TH talked about it but only the technology not the conference, But they also talked about the specs and they're CONFIRMED But the prices and release dates are the DOMINATING rumors and I just copied them to here.

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Psycho enough with the double posting 1-2 minutes after your previous post...


What do you mean????
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September 13, 2009 4:53:59 PM

Posting often irrelevant info or questions or promoting your thread in one post, and then immediately writing another which may or may not be relevant so that you have two posts in a row. It's bad forum practice.
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September 13, 2009 5:50:16 PM

psycho sykes said:
But they also talked about the specs and they're CONFIRMED


Again, if they "talked about the specs", where's the 100's of blog postings so pundits can show us how clued in they are ?

psycho sykes said:
But the prices and release dates are the DOMINATING rumors and I just copied them to here.


I think that's the issue for many. It doesn't read as rumor.....and the bloggers and tech sites don't seem to be circulating these rumors , at this time all I can find in my searches is forum postings with no sources.

If you ask me what Long Island Railroad train to take when you go out clubbing in NYC and I tell you that the 2:15 am train is the last train until 6 am, wouldn't you want to know if that was based upon rumor or fact since it will be your arse sitting on a train station bench for almost 5 hours if it turns out the last train is 1:15 am. I think it's only fair to state prior to a new series (of anything) release that:

a) It's all speculation at this point.
b) Prices are going to be at least $100 - $150 higher than whatever the current "king of the hill is"
c) Prices will drop to more reasonable / affordable levels in 3-6 months.
d) Drivers will stabilize and quirks disappear within 4-6 months.

I agree with the author here (September 10th, 2009)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,...

when he says:

"Hey, there's no guaranteeing that the upcoming Radeon cards will affect any of the following recommendations. However, if you even suspect some of the rumors to hold any truth, you might want to consider holding off on a graphics card purchase over $250 for a month or so to see if any new cards arrive and affect the market."

Seems to me, if I had a product ready to be listed on newegg in just 10 days, I'd be screaming it from mountain tops. I may in fact be released but who wants to sit around with cash burning a hole in their pocket for launch delays if it isn't. I think the soundest advice if one is worried about DX11, is to buy a midrange card (or 2) and use it for 6 months.

Here's THG's recommendation from the same article:

"Best PCIe Card For ~$190: - Two Radeon HD 4850 in CrossFire Configuration (Check Prices)

Exceptional 1920x1200 performance, 2560x1600 in most games with some lowered detail"


That will get you working or playing now at a high level ....and for the next 6-8 months. By then and your likely to recover 3/4's of that $190 with the price drop from "release day"
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September 13, 2009 7:06:53 PM

Great so problems solved.

Both of you check your PM inboxes.


Best Regards.

Medo
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September 13, 2009 7:10:26 PM

I'm glad you listened to Why_Me He has a good build up there.
BUT which exactly did you choose??

Medo
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September 14, 2009 5:26:20 AM

didnt exactly pick what he posted except for the case and some CORSAIR ram. i chose this corsair ram instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
the main thing he did that helped me was give me an idea of what hardware to choose. i have built mainly everyday computers but this is my first high end one and just needed to be put in the right direction. brand names board types ect.
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September 14, 2009 7:53:27 AM

thanks for the options. i do plan on overclocking but might try the cheaper ram instead
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