[Solved] GT300 Additional Info!

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/ne [...] gddr5.aspx

If it is true......................................damn! i have misjudged Nvidia by miles away.
Wonder why they released the news this late.

Edit: change from question to discussion

Then again how good is the source ? Ever since Charlie gate i have been wary of those two.
they are calling the chip the GT300 again and its not its a G300. Also some of the articles on the right side look dubious to me as well. I read some and it looks like tabloid wrighting as far as i can see.

Thanks for the link MB but i will take some salt with this if its all the same to you


Mactronix

Of course, this sounds like every rumour going crammed together and according to HardOCP in their 5850 review, they reckon full availability in retail will be february or so.

So nvidia aren't even giving reviewers any information which to them bodes ill.

Did Nvidia even stop to think small? I don't see how they will scale this down at all. Turn off 2 clusters like they did for the GTX260, and your down to 448"SP". Turn off another 2, and your down to 384. (this could be a main stream GTX340 part?) My problem is that this is only 100+ more shaders then the GTX280. With such reductions, will it still outperform the GTX280? As a cut down chip, will they have the same problem that they had with the GTX2xx series in that the previous generation was faster/cheaper to make?

I had a thought while reading that article, I have no clue if this is possible. Would Nvidia even have to build a tessalator(?) into it, or could they simply pass the information on as a c++ instruction and let the SPs do it? It would be an interesting solution to the "where to put the tessalator on this massive chip" problem.

So we'll see a G350x2, but the G380x2 can not exist without reducing the die size?

This is interesting..either nVid will act fast, or they won't have the fastest GPU this gen.

ohohoho this will be a beats of a card. This is the answer why nvidia was holding this chip so long, they want to release something special and this is a real revolution in architecture since G80. 512cores 6gb gddr5 and 3 billion of transistors need time to accomodate in one card. Im just waiting to see real bencmarks and say by by ATI.

5870x2 will eat gtx380 more than 4870x2 beat gtx280. i wish 5890 will beat fermi.

my opinion is this process will start again just like what happened when gt2xx and 4xxx came out. first 4850/70 beat all the 9xxxgt/gtx then nvidia came out with 260/280 which beat all the card. now we are at the same point again just one cycle ahead, dont you think so?

If this info is correct, it is very promissing that gt300 will be very competent with 5850/70.

I don't believe we are, ATI seems to be in a position to take the crown immediately, or never allowing Nvidia to have it between the 5870x2 or a future endeavor (5890).

Then you have to wonder how much you're spending on a nvidia GPU and how much extra you're spending on what could very well be a useless onboard CPU.

Either way, I find multimonitor resolution gaming more relevant to my user experience than CPGPU encoding.

The 5870 X2 is a beast, sucking down 350W according to a recent link. Even if a GX2 card does com out, it'll have to be in the same ballpark. Do you really think Nvidia's achetecture is more efficient than ATI? Because when it comes down to watts -> performance, there's only so many watts you can stick into a single card. The winner will be the most efficient archetecture to use those watts.

Its good we finally have a reliable source linked, we still have no idea how it will perform though so the wait is still on and the Nvidia fans can stay in their box's for a while longer

Mactronix

Heres a real good source
http://www.realworldtech.com/page. [...] 110932&p=1

I think nVidia is going in totally wrong direction, and that is only because they cant do anything in the 3D gaming part to counter ATI. Their architecture just doesn't give them any chance for moving.

The thing is that they really admit they have no choice. To be pushed in a corner and then say you wanted to be in that corner is just plain obvious you are in serious trouble.

Putting all their eggs in the GPGPU basket and going strictly in that direction would hurt you or even kill you if you cant succeed. Thats very risky move on nVidia side.

Anyway we will wait and see what are the actual performance of this beast and of course the price .

Just one note - So many new things it must be - quote "fckng hard" to write good drivers for that thing to utilize it well. Anyone smell driver problems ATI had at first?

Dude you make me laugh. Not because of the rumbling you just spew, but because you are so blind Fanboy that all that matters to you is that your nVidia wins. Too shallow brain. Try to get yourself out of that hole and you will see a better world

And to those proclaiming NVidia's domination already, that article was 90% about compute abilities, not graphics. While it is very likely the card will be fast, probably faster than the 5800s, the question is how much faster. Today's articles left too much out to even guess, as real world performance often differs from paper and we didn't even get the full paper.

how believable are these news?

The thin line everyone had to catch is "we are sure it WILL be faster". So they don't KNOW for sure yet . They hope - yeah, but not sure. I guess they don't have even drivers ready as they got the first working chips few days ago. Thats the main reason they didnt tell how much faster not the bullshit "we dont want it to affect our current sells" - phfffff

The only thing that will affect it bad is if you dont give people assurement it will be faster and worth waiting for. and believe me if they were SURE they would have told.

The fact it runs c++ nativity is quite interesting and nearly sells me to get a version of one when it comes out to mess with it. I'm sure nvidia will set up an decent price vs performance card to compete with ATI i mean it's not like ATI are slouches like when the 2k series were released and nvidia could do w.e they wanted with prices.

It is a bit concerning that they don't know how it stacks up yet against ati flagship in games; maybe they are just unsure about the drivers and will rather reserve judgment till later either way it is turning out to be a very interesting time for nvidia.

yeah, gaming wise that didn't look as impressive. Sure there is a lot improvements but mainly on the compute related stuff which doesn't do anything on games.
But then again, just doubling pretty much everything gives you a lot of brute force to throw at the games anyways...

It will be 'capable' of running games great of that I have no doubt.

The problem is, it will take programming for it especially. No games dev is gonna be arsed with that...unless Nvidia starts throwing an awful lot of cash at them. It will take a lot of cash however, perhaps this is Nvidias last throw of the dice and they are desperate.

This cannot fail for Nvidia - think what that means. However ATI cannot allow it to get widespread adoption at the expense of their stuff either. We really are at make or break time I feel.

exactly GGA!

They made a hardware which is very general and I am sure it will be able to be capable of running the dx11, however if its emulated by drivers we don't know what kind of utilization it will end up with. Also for developers will be MUCH more easy to just use ATI hardware for developing and now nVidia is in the position of adjusting to the market

I remember a conversation elsewheres about no ff tessellator, and it didnt get far enough. The question was thought to have been answered by the compliance need, so maybe not, as the 5870, has one, but it can be done in CS.
As for everything else, exactly like weve been hearing, and I think mostly its been Charlie leading the way, despite it all, as hes been as consistant as those with the "insiders facts", so maybe no CUDA for him, but certainly at least CUDOS

When you report every rumour as fact you have to get it right eventually.

From the horses mouth: http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/ [...] epaper.pdf

Nvidia did say that they don't feel that DX11 is not all that important and clearly they don't and after seeing the Battleforge results they might have a point.