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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 8:08:17 AM

way smaller than the 5800 series
October 1, 2009 8:15:55 AM

And the sheep go "baaaaaaaaaa".


2 questions.

1. If this is Fermi, where are the performance graphs?

2. If this is Fermi, are Nvidia actually contemplating releasing the workstation cards with the release drivers of a brand new card? (for those that don't know - workstation cards are never released with immature drivers)
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October 1, 2009 8:28:16 AM

Now I'm pissed my mobo can only do crossfire and not sli
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 8:33:16 AM

first you didnt believe that gt 300 exist and and you can see it does. Performance graphs will be soon, Nvidia now waiting ati to release Ati 5870x2 card and see it performance. This is just Nvidia strategy.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 8:34:08 AM

Jonnyinter said:
Now I'm pissed my mobo can only do crossfire and not sli


One gt 300 will be more than enough
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 9:06:56 AM



http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1100/2/

"The card was just a normal looking dual-slot card that was no longer or larger than anything on the market today."

thats good news


Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 9:17:57 AM

where is now ati fanboys to see this 15 inch long card... and one more time by by ati see you in the next round
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 9:23:53 AM

John_ you are somewhat deluded.

You see a picture of a graphics card, with no benchmarks, no details etc and conclude that ati are somehow 'beaten' by it even though it won't be released for 6 months.

By the time this is released, ATI will already have 80% of the discrete gpu market, the only 20% that are left with Nvidia are the especially deranged who believe this is actually a real working card.
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 9:25:24 AM

PS, people were talking about the size of the chip, not the card. That is one helluva huge chip.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 9:33:16 AM

jennyh said:
John_ you are somewhat deluded.

You see a picture of a graphics card, with no benchmarks, no details etc and conclude that ati are somehow 'beaten' by it even though it won't be released for 6 months.

By the time this is released, ATI will already have 80% of the discrete gpu market, the only 20% that are left with Nvidia are the especially deranged who believe this is actually a real working card.


just check this out, this need time to be finished


http://techreport.com/articles.x/17670

remeber nvidia is still leader
October 1, 2009 9:48:29 AM

Quote:
first you didnt believe that gt 300 exist and and you can see it does.


I see a graphics card.

I see a a GPU chip.


I see nothing that confirms either is G300.


Quote:
Performance graphs will be soon, Nvidia now waiting ati to release Ati 5870x2 card and see it performance. This is just Nvidia strategy.


Nvidia's "strategy" is to surrender the mid to high end DX11 market to ATi until ATi get round to releasing the x2?

If ATi release Juniper soon, then Nvidia surrender the entire mid to high end DX11 market to ATi.


Sounds like a brilliant strategy to me. :pt1cable: 


Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
October 1, 2009 9:51:26 AM



Leader?

Of what? Nvidia are not sure what they want to do these days... build graphics cards? build co-processor accelerators?



As an engineer that specialises in numerical work, that interests me tremendously. As a gamer, it does not.



Devoting transistors to CUDA means they are compromising their graphics performance, perhaps severely.
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 9:59:46 AM

While Nvidia dreams of some fantasyland where their gpu's boot up everyone's pc's to a picture of JHH, the games devs are creating games on 5870's because that is what they do to make money.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:13:45 AM

Amiga500 said:
I see a graphics card.

I see a a GPU chip.


I see nothing that confirms either is G300.


Quote:
Performance graphs will be soon, Nvidia now waiting ati to release Ati 5870x2 card and see it performance. This is just Nvidia strategy.


Nvidia's "strategy" is to surrender the mid to high end DX11 market to ATi until ATi get round to releasing the x2?

If ATi release Juniper soon, then Nvidia surrender the entire mid to high end DX11 market to ATi.


Sounds like a brilliant strategy to me. :pt1cable: 


Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Nvidia will aslo GX2 card you cant remeber that...better do your homework next time
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15713/1/
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:16:55 AM

Fudzilla, who have been telling us that g300 was due in september, then october, then november and now 'within a few months'.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15758/65/

(I don't believe fudzilla is considered a quality source, here or anywhere else).
October 1, 2009 10:18:48 AM

Quote:
Nvidia will aslo GX2 card you cant remeber that...better do your homework next time
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15713/1/



1. Fuad claims they will.

2. What are the modified clock speeds going to be?

3. Never mind (2), what are the single GPU clock speeds going to be?!? What is the thermal envelope at those clock speeds?

4. What will a card with > 6 billion transistors cost?

5. How much graphics have Nvidia compromised for compute? (Many sheep believe the two go happily hand-in-hand forever - they do not)



So many unknowns. Life would be so much simpler if I was a sheep incapable of thinking for myself and believing everything that comes from Nvidia's PR speils.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:19:38 AM

jennyh said:
While Nvidia dreams of some fantasyland where their gpu's boot up everyone's pc's to a picture of JHH, the games devs are creating games on 5870's because that is what they do to make money.


Its a short period of time to see any real dx 11 game. Till that time Nvidia will have dx 11 cards in all segments. People always want better and they will wait for it.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:22:08 AM

Amiga500 said:
1. Fuad claims they will.

2. What are the modified clock speeds going to be?

3. Never mind (2), what are the single GPU clock speeds going to be?!? What is the thermal envelope at those clock speeds?

4. What will a card with > 6 billion transistors cost?

5. How much graphics have Nvidia compromised for compute? (Many sheep believe the two go happily hand-in-hand forever - they do not)



So many unknowns. Life would be so much simpler if I was a sheep incapable of thinking for myself and believing everything that comes from Nvidia's PR speils.


yes but they will reduce memory bus from 512 to 384 to reduce the cost
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:25:53 AM

Anyone with half an idea will see that the "card " being shown is nothing more than an empty shell. Why is there a black plate on the back of the card if not to cover this fact ?
There are several reasons for beleiving this is all smoke and mirrors but i wont bother posting them for john to try and counter argue.
I can see the "Card" is an empty case and some reviewers that have been linked are a bit dubious as well.

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:32:10 AM

Nobody actually believes its a fermi card, all of the reviewers kept saying stuff like 'apparently' while talking about the card.

Until we see some benchmarks, it doesn't even exist. ATI were right, they really are 6 months ahead.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:37:04 AM

mactronix said:
Anyone with half an idea will see that the "card " being shown is nothing more than an empty shell. Why is there a black plate on the back of the card if not to cover this fact ?
There are several reasons for beleiving this is all smoke and mirrors but i wont bother posting them for john to try and counter argue.
I can see the "Card" is an empty case and some reviewers that have been linked are a bit dubious as well.

Mactronix


hahah i know its hard to confess defeat
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:48:54 AM

jennyh said:
Nobody actually believes its a fermi card, all of the reviewers kept saying stuff like 'apparently' while talking about the card.

Until we see some benchmarks, it doesn't even exist. ATI were right, they really are 6 months ahead.


how sad is this, poor ati fanboy
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:49:51 AM

You are one sick as in ill individual you know that ? :pt1cable:  How does defeat come in to things ? i don't work for AMD/ATI so how can i admit any defeat or claim any success ???

Nvidia may well produce a card to trounce the 5 series, when they finally get around to producing one, but i personally couldnt care less one way or another as im not in the market for bleeding edge as far as the GPU goes.
What i am in the market for is being straight with people. Now while i enjoy a round of speculating as much as the next guy, when the tech journo's that were there recon its an empty shell and most people can see it looks like an empty shell, well lets just say its the green team keeping up to form shall we :kaola:  I will give you one reason of the several i mentioned as well. There is no weight on the thumb holding the "Card" :ouch:  :ouch:  . Now i know that a GPU (The CHIP john the CHIP)that big is going to weigh quite a bit and i also know that much smaller cards weigh enough to put a small crease in my thumb. So either the guy holding it has super hard hands or else the card is a fake ?
{edit for spelling}
Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 10:52:34 AM

Well I sure hope that isn't the first and only Fermi chip, he just got his sweaty thumb all over the PCI-E slot! It's ruined! :lol: 
October 1, 2009 10:59:18 AM

Quote:
yes but they will reduce memory bus from 512 to 384 to reduce the cost



They will?

You mean they haven't already?




Do I take that as confirmation that the card JHH was holding was in fact, not G300 based at all?
October 1, 2009 12:30:24 PM

Given Nvidia's lack of moral fibre I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jen-Hsun Huang is simply holding a PCB with a HSF bolted on for show with little else underneath.

Also this card is a Tesla not a Geforce meaning this sucker won't be running Crysis any time soon but it will be folding proteins in some scientist's lab. The length of the card (if this is a true card) is impressive but look at the power connectors it needs both an 8 pin and a 6 pin which tells us the GT300 core is going to need a lot juice.

I'm not convinced that this anything more then a stupid publicity stunt cooked up to take away attention from the ATI Radeon 5000 series.
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 12:35:10 PM

The thing is, even the reviewers are questioning what this is.

Nvidia have told so many lies that only they themselves believe it now. Even fud said...

Quote:
Jensen showed what seems to be the first showcase of Fermi based card.


Not even Fuad is convinced and you'll have to go pretty far to find a more staunch nvidia fanboy. Anand just didn't believe it, in fact you can tell he's so fed up with nvidia's bullshit by now he just doesn't believe anything they say.
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 12:46:48 PM

Even if that actually is a G300 card, it doesn't matter. If they don't get their cards out within a couple months, they'll miss the best marketing period. ATI will be out with their 5890 and 5870x2, and nVidia will have nothing.
G400 will be released when the 7870 is released.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 12:54:01 PM

mactronix said:
You are one sick as in ill individual you know that ? :pt1cable:  How does defeat come in to things ? i don't work for AMD/ATI so how can i admit any defeat or claim any success ???

Nvidia may well produce a card to trounce the 5 series, when they finally get around to producing one, but i personally couldnt care less one way or another as im not in the market for bleeding edge as far as the GPU goes.
What i am in the market for is being straight with people. Now while i enjoy a round of speculating as much as the next guy, when the tech journo's that were there recon its an empty shell and most people can see it looks like an empty shell, well lets just say its the green team keeping up to form shall we :kaola:  I will give you one reason of the several i mentioned as well. There is no weight on the thumb holding the "Card" :ouch:  :ouch:  . Now i know that a GPU (The CHIP john the CHIP)that big is going to weigh quite a bit and i also know that much smaller cards weigh enough to put a small crease in my thumb. So either the guy holding it has super hard hands or else the card is a fake ?
{edit for spelling}
Mactronix


Jen-Hsun Huang was going to gym to hold this monster... hehe im kidding
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 1:26:03 PM

Quote:
Anyone thought to go to the official Nvidia website?
http://www.nvidia.com/object/fermi_architecture.html

The card pictured is in fact the new GT300. However they aren't marketing it as a GPU for gamers, rather as a GPU-CPU for desktop supercomputing.

I'm still waiting on performance leaks.


Here's a little tip for you. It actually helps sometimes if you read the rest of the thread before you post something. We all know what its meant to be the point of contention is that some of us(Cough John Cough) beleive what we are being told and some of us are more dubious. just because its on the website dosent make it so my friend ;) 

Mactronix
a c 173 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 1:26:08 PM

It better be good but knowing nvidia with its tax I will be getting a 5850 instead.
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 2:43:43 PM

And all that we already knew. Posting a link to the nvidia website is just propogating the idea that the card actually exists.

[:lectrocrew:1]

Mactronix
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 2:49:09 PM

Quote:
Thanks for the tip, but I'm fine without it. 2 posts above my last one, someone was questioning if the card was in fact an actual GT300. According to the official Nvidia website, it is. That's all I provided, proof from the source. And when Nvidia produces actual performance specs and actual pricing, I'll happily link the source to that as well.

What not true is that the card pictured is for gaming. The card pictured is clearly a TESLA, which is marketed as a supercomputing solution... not a gaming fps card. It's a Fermi card, and Fermi is GT300 architecture. But it is not the card you'll stick in your home case to play fps games on. It's a card sold to research and development.

Aside from that, John_ is deluded into thinking Nvidia is the current leader of the GPU market. Nvida is behind, in a big way. The 5850 beats the 285. 2x 5850s beat the 295. The 5870 is the best single chip GPU. The 5870 X2 has confirmed specs and release date, and is sure to be the fastest thing on the planet for a well into next year. Nvidia hasn't released a single performance spec on any of their GT300s, and the idea of an GT300 X2 card would be another month or two after their initial series is out the door. Nvidia is 2 months behind on selling their chips, and ATI has the pricing competitive enough to swallow up the majority of the upgrade market before Nvidia ships their bid. For anyone looking at value for their performance dollar and power bill, ATI is in a huge lead.



ok if you dont believe wait till game benchmarks appers and you will see who is right.
PS nvidia will have dual card in the time same time when single gt 300 appers.
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 3:06:41 PM

Quote:
Thanks for the tip, but I'm fine without it. 2 posts above my last one, someone was questioning if the card was in fact an actual GT300. According to the official Nvidia website, it is. That's all I provided, proof from the source. And when Nvidia produces actual performance specs and actual pricing, I'll happily link the source to that as well.


Hey monkey, understand what is being questioned, it avoids repetition. :hello: 

No one questions that JHH held up something they say is an F100 which is similar to the G300/GT300, what people question is that if you can't SEE the chip itself, then it could be anything under that HSF, and anything that that Heat-Spreader is supposed to cover (looks like an FX5900 spreader), so it's still far from conclusive proof that the F100 Tesla board & HSF being showed there is anything more than a mock-up. They didn't even plug it in to run some basic math. Which leads to the question, is a Graphics Card or Computing Card actually a card if it doesn't work? If so, then the Bitchin' Fast may now be able ot claim some titles. If not then it's just a pretty shiny door-stop.

Quote:
What not true is that the card pictured is for gaming. The card pictured is clearly a TESLA, which is marketed as a supercomputing solution... not a gaming fps card. It's a Fermi card, and Fermi is GT300 architecture. But it is not the card you'll stick in your home case to play fps games on. It's a card sold to research and development.


However if it doesn't work it won't be doing much R&D. Oak Ridge better cross their fingers and hope for the best, because doing math on paper is VERY slow. :lol: 

Lotsa things look good on paper, but if they can't get them working they aren't ay better than Larrabee that we saw diagrams and paper on months & years ago, and which on paper looks to be more powerful than the F100. So where does that leave us? If the tables were turned and instead of actually selling cards on Sept 23rd, AMD simply walked up to a podium somewhere and held-aloft a PCB and HSF without any prior demos and provided just specs of their hope for the next generation, would anyone have been satisfied after that?
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 3:54:58 PM

^ +1
Yep that pretty much covers the kinda reply i would have posted.

Mactronix
October 1, 2009 3:57:06 PM

G300 is now a powerpoint slide and some rapid prototyping.

a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 4:32:10 PM

Yep, the point is, nvidia have lied and continue to lie so much that nothing they say can now be trusted. Even the reviewers were questioning it, hell even Fuad wasnt 100% convinced and that says it all.

Nvidia - 'inventors of the gpu 1999'. They believe it, everybody else knows its bull.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 5:09:10 PM

Amiga500 said:
G300 is now a powerpoint slide and some rapid prototyping.


when benchmarks start to appears what then you will say..., why all of you want to screw nvidia...
October 1, 2009 5:17:13 PM

Quote:
when benchmarks start to appears what then you will say...



Happy new year... :lol: 


Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 5:18:59 PM

no you will say nvidia gt 300 doesnt exist, hehhe
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 5:23:33 PM

Amiga500 said:
Happy new year... :lol: 


maybe Happy Valentines Day
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 5:25:40 PM

and no one cares about a picture that contains a HSF and a PCI-E connector (no shot of the GPU, it could be anything)

and when the benchmarks come, i will read them and see if it is better (not that it matters since im going 2 x 4870 soon since i already have one)
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 5:38:26 PM

we need more dx 11 games to really push these cards to their limits
October 1, 2009 5:53:04 PM

It's really amusing to see that ATI fanboys are scared to death from what nVidia is bringing...

Well, they should better be... It took about three product cycles for them to catch up with the current performance of nVidia's flagship and once GT300 comes it may take another three cycles again....

nVidia is bringing true innovation to the graphics card market. What about ATI? Except for that eyefinity bullshit I don't see anything new in the 5870.

It will all come in time. First ATI claimed that nVidia had nothing. Then some specs came, now pictures, formal announcements and in a little bit more some benches...

Fortunately nVidia is not stupid and it will launch their card at prices equal or HIGHER** to ATI because they will have a better product and they have to get paid for it. In addition, ATI is the best competitor for them. Somebody that is always behind, that is always with compressed margins preventing outrageous investments in R&D and, most importantly, happy with their current second place in the market.

After the terrific 9700 Pro, I just lost hope in ATI. I will not support a company that is absolutely comfortable with the second place and don't even bother to get back to the top in a SUSTAINABLE position.

Enjoy your few months of fame ATI. They won't last long.

** Edited...
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 5:56:05 PM

vmardegan said:
It's really amusing to see that ATI fanboys are scared to death from what nVidia is bringing...

Well, they should better be... It took about three product cycles for them to catch up with the current performance of nVidia's flagship and once GT300 comes it may take another three cycles again....

nVidia is bringing true innovation to the graphics card market. What about ATI? Except for that eyefinity bullshit I don't see anything new in the 5870.

It will all come in time. First ATI claimed that nVidia had nothing. Then some specs came, now pictures, formal announcements and in a little bit more some benches...

Fortunately nVidia is not stupid and it will launch their card at prices equal or lower to ATI because they will have a better product and they have to get paid for it. In addition, ATI is the best competitor for them. Somebody that is always behind, that is always with compressed margins preventing outrageous investments in R&D and, most importantly, happy with their current second place in the market.

After the terrific 9700 Pro, I just lost hope in ATI. I will not support a company that is absolutely comfortable with the second place and don't even bother to get back to the top in a SUSTAINABLE position.

Enjoy your few months of fame ATI. They won't last long.



[:mousemonkey:5] [:mousemonkey:5] [:mousemonkey:5]
October 1, 2009 5:57:36 PM

If the gtx380 is what the picture shows i might jump boats man. NVIDIA is bringing new innovations rather than just doubling everything they have. I really love their tegra and if the prices at 250 euro range beat ATI i might jump in the green camp :D 
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 6:01:24 PM

vmardegan said:
It's really amusing to see that ATI fanboys are scared to death from what nVidia is bringing...

Well, they should better be... It took about three product cycles for them to catch up with the current performance of nVidia's flagship and once GT300 comes it may take another three cycles again....

nVidia is bringing true innovation to the graphics card market. What about ATI? Except for that eyefinity bullshit I don't see anything new in the 5870.

It will all come in time. First ATI claimed that nVidia had nothing. Then some specs came, now pictures, formal announcements and in a little bit more some benches...

Fortunately nVidia is not stupid and it will launch their card at prices equal or lower to ATI because they will have a better product and they have to get paid for it. In addition, ATI is the best competitor for them. Somebody that is always behind, that is always with compressed margins preventing outrageous investments in R&D and, most importantly, happy with their current second place in the market.

After the terrific 9700 Pro, I just lost hope in ATI. I will not support a company that is absolutely comfortable with the second place and don't even bother to get back to the top in a SUSTAINABLE position.

Enjoy your few months of fame ATI. They won't last long.


yes you are right in all threads they want to screw nvidia i just cant believe... they just want to say that gt 300 doesnt exist but i dont care anymore
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 6:02:37 PM

mactronix said:
[:mousemonkey:5] [:mousemonkey:5] [:mousemonkey:5]


smile smile you will have time to do that...
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2009 6:17:45 PM

The card is fake , check pictures of the back of the card, it's cut of longer card :lol: 
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