Need your inputs and two cents on the new build.

Hi, i never build a desktop before... and im planning on building two. one for me and one for my friend...

Only issues is that i always have trouble with connecting the case USB/power/reset wires to the motherboard. (like which wires goes where to the motherboard.) Other than any tips would be appreciated =)

here's the list of my build

Note that 5870 is not added.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (bare drive) - OEM

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C7 G - Retail

OCZ OCZTXTCC2 XTC Cooler Rev 2 - Retail

Antec 75003 120mm Case Fan - Retail X2

CORSAIR CWCH50 Water Cooler - Retail

LG Black 8X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-ROM SATA Internal Combo LG Blu-ray Reader & 16X LightScribe DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

CORSAIR CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready

CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power ... - Retail

Total = $1,459.55 (including shipping)

This is my friend's list.

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

MSI P55-GD80 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

EVGA 896-P3-1171-AR GeForce GTX 275 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported ... - Retail (x2)

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (bare drive) - OEM

SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

Total = $1,530.89

As you can see, my friend is on the budget of $1,500

My build is budget of $2000

Anyways, should i add? remove? any suggestions?

thanks

Message edited by woostar88 on 09-16-2009 at 07:11:09 AM

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^ Are the components bought ? Or is it just the list ?

Reply to gkay09

It's just the list for now. just want to make sure I have all the right components.

Reply to woostar88

why is your friend getting more juice (bigger psu) then you? you have much greater power demands. maybe upgrade your psu to a 1000 watt corsair's is one of a kind and well is just the best ive ever seen first ever independant dual rail psu (like having 2 500 watt single rail psu's) and you may want to check out the msi eclipse mobo the usb/front panel connectors ar neet you connect the wires to a block and the block to your mobo after plus comes with a pci 1x sound card for a great streaming review check out http://com.puter.tv/msi-eclipse-sl [...] board/928/ . a few extra dollars today will pay in the end the power supply is rated 11 years full load mtbf and the mobo alows for future upgrades without the hassle. of changing it.

Reply to danevil

ic. i just changed the power supply to 1000W corsair brand.

Also, how does exactly the front panel inputs work? because msi eclipse comes with some panel where you plus in the case panels... i don't understand it.

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Reply to woostar88

^ You wont require 1000HX...It is only required if you are planning to run Quad-fire with 4 HD 5870s...
Drop back to 750HX...
And did you advice you friend about his graphics card selection ?

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Reply to gkay09

yeah, i didn't know what to buy for that build... he wants 2 physical graphics card... (don't ask me why...)

Btw can you explain me how front panel inputs work?

Reply to woostar88

yeah, i didn't know what to buy for that build... he wants 2 physical graphics card... (don't ask me why...)

Reply to woostar88

woostar88 wrote :

ic. i just changed the power supply to 1000W corsair brand.

Also, how does exactly the front panel inputs work? because msi eclipse comes with some panel where you plus in the case panels... i don't understand it.

there these litlle cubes so you can plug all your wires to them and then you just gotta connect the cubes wich fit perfectly onto your mobo connectors

Reply to danevil

^ These are sample images of a old board but they show from where the front panel connectors are connected to the mobo...
http://www.hls-systems.com/html/D865PERL.htm
So you can refer the manual of the mobo you buy, they would give required info...

And show your friend the benchmarks of the upcoming HD 5XXX series and make him understand that not always multiple cards give more performance...

And as for your selection of HDD, I would suggest you get the WD Black 1TB as they are faster than that 1.5TB drives...For a boot drive, you would need performance than capacity...

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gkay09 wrote :

^ You wont require 1000HX...It is only required if you are planning to run Quad-fire with 4 HD 5870s...
Drop back to 750HX...
And did you advice you friend about his graphics card selection ?

granted he may not need it now but for 70$ extra he wont need to worry about changing it when he decides to add memory or extra vid cards or whatever else he may need this psu will still be good for his next complete rebuild check it out and youll see for under 250 its a steal

Reply to danevil

gkay09 wrote :

^ These are sample images of a old board but they show from where the front panel connectors are connected to the mobo...
http://www.hls-systems.com/html/D865PERL.htm
So you can refer the manual of the mobo you buy, they would give required info...

And show your friend the benchmarks of the upcoming HD 5XXX series and make him understand that not always multiple cards give more performance...

And as for your selection of HDD, I would suggest you get the WD Black 1TB as they are faster than that 1.5TB drives...For a boot drive, you would need performance than capacity...

definetly the wd blacks are amazing just buy two if you really need the 1.5 internal or get a nice esata vault to complement you 1t

Reply to danevil

^ Frankly when next gen cards come out, I dont think there would be any need to go for that much power...
The HD 5870 has a lower TDP than the HD 4890...And is about 60-70% faster...So I dont see anyone adding more than 2 cards except for bragging rights...
The 750HX has enough power for that and more...

And it is not about saving money here...Its more about efficiency...

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Reply to gkay09

His heatsink only says its core i7 compatible. Some will work on socket 1366 but not on 1156.

Here is the $30 hyper 212 that is on frostys top 10 list. It fits all sockets.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835103065

Reply to dndhatcher

gkay09 wrote :

^ Frankly when next gen cards come out, I dont think there would be any need to go for that much power...
The HD 5870 has a lower TDP than the HD 4890...And is about 60-70% faster...So I dont see anyone adding more than 2 cards except for bragging rights...
The 750HX has enough power for that and more...

And it is not about saving money here...Its more about efficiency...

the best way to run a psu efficiently is by running at about 50 to 60% of full load and with the independant dual rails you can distribute your consumption over both rails reducing voltage fluctuations giving you better constant juice always

Reply to danevil

^ That 750HX is an 80+ Silver certified compared to the 80+ of that 1000Hx...So if you compare the efficiency, the 750 would be little better...
And a single powerful 12V rails is better than multiple 12V rails because you dont have to worry about the load distribution across the 12V rails...

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Reply to gkay09

Now, what would you recommend for the mobo?

Im deciding either MSI Eclipse vs EVGA X58 (one with CRX and SLI)

Reply to woostar88

the asrock has been a surprise x58 package ,the dfi's are also good

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Reply to obsidian86

All x58 motherboards can do both crossfire and sli if the have the PCI slots.

Given a choice between MSI and EVGA at the same price I would pick EVGA just because I believe they have a better service reputation.

Reply to dndhatcher

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813188039

Does this mobo offer CRX and SLI?

Reply to woostar88

It definitely does SLI.

I have been told the X in the chipset means its Xfire capable so all x58 motherboards can do crossfire.

Reply to dndhatcher

ic. ok now i need to understand the raid. If i buy 1TB and another 1TB to run it faster... would it be raid 0? and how do you enable the raid? and how much of noticable speed will it gain?

Message edited by woostar88 on 09-17-2009 at 01:39:16 AM

Reply to woostar88

For games testing showed between 0 and 1 percent. Only gets you a brief advantage when loading new maps and such. Raid is more for HDD intensive operations like large databases. Raid 0 would be for efficiency, Raid 1 would be for redundancy (mirrored drives).

Reply to dndhatcher

gkay09 wrote :

^ That 750HX is an 80+ Silver certified compared to the 80+ of that 1000Hx...So if you compare the efficiency, the 750 would be little better...
And a single powerful 12V rails is better than multiple 12V rails because you dont have to worry about the load distribution across the 12V rails...

now maybe you should research stuff alitlle more the 1000 hx has 2 INDEPENDENT rails each with their own transformer so is like two single rail 500w psu's its a next generation psu cheaper than most regular psu's

Reply to danevil

^ Maybe you have been reading just about the 1000HX and nothing about the 750 and 850HX
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.p [...] y&reid=153
http://www.hardocp.com/article/200 [...] r_supply/9

The Corsair 1000HX is built on the older PUC Platform unlike the 750 and 850HX which are built on the newer DSG Platform, and these have a single powerful 12V rails, which is the reason why they have higher efficiency than the 1000HX...

And everyone here would still agree that a single powerful 12V rails is better than multiple rails...

Message edited by gkay09 on 09-17-2009 at 08:54:23 AM

Reply to gkay09

thanks for the links and proving my points heres a quote from what you sent "About the only place they don't have you covered is if you have the rare board that needs two 8 pin EPS connectors. That's when you start butchering the modular cables. It would be relatively easy to cobble something together that would run from one of the blue connectors to the second EPS. You're unlikely to need six 8 pin PCI-E cables on an 850W unit anyway... there comes a point when you'll have to go get an HX1000 instead."

these are just lower versions of the 1000hx so sure they are amazing but will be useless b4 they die so if 70$ is the difference between eating or not then i guess the wimpy 850 will work but the 1000 will run 2 250's sli with a 9800 for physics 12 gigs of ram and all sorts of goodies and cooling needs and still have plenty of juice to spare and not sound like a jet engine with the fan running above 30db's

Message edited by danevil on 09-17-2009 at 09:19:16 PM

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what do you think about these rams?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231272

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woostar88 wrote :

what do you think about these rams?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231272

Other than being expensive and having a large heat spreader that can get in the way of your CPU heatsink/fan they look fine.
Better make sure you have room.

Reply to dndhatcher

^ Those RAM sticks are good...
As you will be using the H50 CPU cooler, you wont have any height issues with the RAM heat-spreaders...
But if you drop to an aftermarket air CPU cooler, then you might want to switch to a RAM with shorter heatsinks...

@danevil - Did you read that statement again - "rare board that needs two 8 pin EPS connectors" - Those are generally $400+ mobos used by enthusiast who push their CPUs beyond the permissible voltage limit using LN2 cooling to break speed records and benchmarks...
I dont think that the OP is wanting to do that...
Even on an extreme overclocking board like the Rampage II Extreme, requires only one 8 Pin EPS connector...

And never overshoot the power requirements...

If you still have any concerns, am ready to address it...

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Reply to gkay09

gkay09 wrote :

^ Those RAM sticks are good...
As you will be using the H50 CPU cooler, you wont have any height issues with the RAM heat-spreaders...
But if you drop to an aftermarket air CPU cooler, then you might want to switch to a RAM with shorter heatsinks...

@danevil - Did you read that statement again - "rare board that needs two 8 pin EPS connectors" - Those are generally $400+ mobos used by enthusiast who push their CPUs beyond the permissible voltage limit using LN2 cooling to break speed records and benchmarks...
I dont think that the OP is wanting to do that...
Even on an extreme overclocking board like the Rampage II Extreme, requires only one 8 Pin EPS connector...

And never overshoot the power requirements...

If you still have any concerns, am ready to address it...

been reading through the forums came across this

"+1 for the Corsair 1000HX...
And that PSU would last you for more than 1 build

Message edited by gkay09 on 05-22-2009 at 02:18:01 AM"

what made you start hating???

Reply to danevil

^ The suggestions vary from one build to another... Did you read the complete thread or just my post ?

I dont hate the 1000HX at all... It is an awesome PSU... It is just that with this build its an serious overkill and the 750HX is capable enough to handle this config...Instead the OP can divert the funds to other components...
Why would you buy a component, when you would not use its full potential ?

@danevil this was a good and healthy conversation between us...I actually learnt more about these PSU and hope you would have done the same...

Message edited by gkay09 on 09-18-2009 at 09:00:11 AM

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