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September 16, 2009 5:06:47 AM

Hi, i never build a desktop before... and im planning on building two. one for me and one for my friend...

Only issues is that i always have trouble with connecting the case USB/power/reset wires to the motherboard. (like which wires goes where to the motherboard.) Other than any tips would be appreciated =)

here's the list of my build

Note that 5870 is not added.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (bare drive) - OEM

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C7 G - Retail

OCZ OCZTXTCC2 XTC Cooler Rev 2 - Retail

Antec 75003 120mm Case Fan - Retail X2

CORSAIR CWCH50 Water Cooler - Retail

LG Black 8X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-ROM SATA Internal Combo LG Blu-ray Reader & 16X LightScribe DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

CORSAIR CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready

CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power ... - Retail

Total = $1,459.55 (including shipping)


This is my friend's list.

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

MSI P55-GD80 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

EVGA 896-P3-1171-AR GeForce GTX 275 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported ... - Retail (x2)

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (bare drive) - OEM

SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

Total = $1,530.89

As you can see, my friend is on the budget of $1,500

My build is budget of $2000

Anyways, should i add? remove? any suggestions?

thanks

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September 16, 2009 5:13:48 AM

^ Are the components bought ? Or is it just the list ?
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September 16, 2009 5:14:46 AM

It's just the list for now. just want to make sure I have all the right components.
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September 16, 2009 5:24:25 AM

why is your friend getting more juice (bigger psu) then you? you have much greater power demands. maybe upgrade your psu to a 1000 watt corsair's is one of a kind and well is just the best ive ever seen first ever independant dual rail psu (like having 2 500 watt single rail psu's) and you may want to check out the msi eclipse mobo the usb/front panel connectors ar neet you connect the wires to a block and the block to your mobo after plus comes with a pci 1x sound card for a great streaming review check out http://com.puter.tv/msi-eclipse-sli-lga-1366-motherboar... . a few extra dollars today will pay in the end the power supply is rated 11 years full load mtbf and the mobo alows for future upgrades without the hassle. of changing it.
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September 16, 2009 5:48:30 AM

ic. i just changed the power supply to 1000W corsair brand.

Also, how does exactly the front panel inputs work? because msi eclipse comes with some panel where you plus in the case panels... i don't understand it.
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September 16, 2009 5:51:24 AM

^ You wont require 1000HX...It is only required if you are planning to run Quad-fire with 4 HD 5870s...
Drop back to 750HX...
And did you advice you friend about his graphics card selection ?
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September 16, 2009 6:02:11 AM

yeah, i didn't know what to buy for that build... he wants 2 physical graphics card... (don't ask me why...)

Btw can you explain me how front panel inputs work?
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September 16, 2009 6:02:12 AM

yeah, i didn't know what to buy for that build... he wants 2 physical graphics card... (don't ask me why...)
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September 16, 2009 6:02:46 AM

woostar88 said:
ic. i just changed the power supply to 1000W corsair brand.

Also, how does exactly the front panel inputs work? because msi eclipse comes with some panel where you plus in the case panels... i don't understand it.



there these litlle cubes so you can plug all your wires to them and then you just gotta connect the cubes wich fit perfectly onto your mobo connectors
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September 16, 2009 6:09:41 AM

^ These are sample images of a old board but they show from where the front panel connectors are connected to the mobo...
http://www.hls-systems.com/html/D865PERL.htm
So you can refer the manual of the mobo you buy, they would give required info...

And show your friend the benchmarks of the upcoming HD 5XXX series and make him understand that not always multiple cards give more performance...

And as for your selection of HDD, I would suggest you get the WD Black 1TB as they are faster than that 1.5TB drives...For a boot drive, you would need performance than capacity...
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September 16, 2009 6:10:58 AM

gkay09 said:
^ You wont require 1000HX...It is only required if you are planning to run Quad-fire with 4 HD 5870s...
Drop back to 750HX...
And did you advice you friend about his graphics card selection ?


granted he may not need it now but for 70$ extra he wont need to worry about changing it when he decides to add memory or extra vid cards or whatever else he may need this psu will still be good for his next complete rebuild check it out and youll see for under 250 its a steal
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September 16, 2009 6:15:53 AM

gkay09 said:
^ These are sample images of a old board but they show from where the front panel connectors are connected to the mobo...
http://www.hls-systems.com/html/D865PERL.htm
So you can refer the manual of the mobo you buy, they would give required info...

And show your friend the benchmarks of the upcoming HD 5XXX series and make him understand that not always multiple cards give more performance...

And as for your selection of HDD, I would suggest you get the WD Black 1TB as they are faster than that 1.5TB drives...For a boot drive, you would need performance than capacity...


definetly the wd blacks are amazing just buy two if you really need the 1.5 internal or get a nice esata vault to complement you 1t
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September 16, 2009 6:22:04 AM

^ Frankly when next gen cards come out, I dont think there would be any need to go for that much power...
The HD 5870 has a lower TDP than the HD 4890...And is about 60-70% faster...So I dont see anyone adding more than 2 cards except for bragging rights...
The 750HX has enough power for that and more...

And it is not about saving money here...Its more about efficiency...
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September 16, 2009 6:41:20 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Frankly when next gen cards come out, I dont think there would be any need to go for that much power...
The HD 5870 has a lower TDP than the HD 4890...And is about 60-70% faster...So I dont see anyone adding more than 2 cards except for bragging rights...
The 750HX has enough power for that and more...

And it is not about saving money here...Its more about efficiency...




the best way to run a psu efficiently is by running at about 50 to 60% of full load and with the independant dual rails you can distribute your consumption over both rails reducing voltage fluctuations giving you better constant juice always
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September 16, 2009 7:25:11 AM

^ That 750HX is an 80+ Silver certified compared to the 80+ of that 1000Hx...So if you compare the efficiency, the 750 would be little better...
And a single powerful 12V rails is better than multiple 12V rails because you dont have to worry about the load distribution across the 12V rails...
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September 16, 2009 6:40:41 PM

Now, what would you recommend for the mobo?

Im deciding either MSI Eclipse vs EVGA X58 (one with CRX and SLI)
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September 16, 2009 6:48:34 PM

the asrock has been a surprise x58 package ,the dfi's are also good
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September 16, 2009 7:46:07 PM

All x58 motherboards can do both crossfire and sli if the have the PCI slots.

Given a choice between MSI and EVGA at the same price I would pick EVGA just because I believe they have a better service reputation.
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September 16, 2009 10:15:23 PM

It definitely does SLI.

I have been told the X in the chipset means its Xfire capable so all x58 motherboards can do crossfire.
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September 16, 2009 11:37:42 PM

ic. ok now i need to understand the raid. If i buy 1TB and another 1TB to run it faster... would it be raid 0? and how do you enable the raid? and how much of noticable speed will it gain?
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September 16, 2009 11:47:54 PM

For games testing showed between 0 and 1 percent. Only gets you a brief advantage when loading new maps and such. Raid is more for HDD intensive operations like large databases. Raid 0 would be for efficiency, Raid 1 would be for redundancy (mirrored drives).
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September 17, 2009 5:19:32 AM

gkay09 said:
^ That 750HX is an 80+ Silver certified compared to the 80+ of that 1000Hx...So if you compare the efficiency, the 750 would be little better...
And a single powerful 12V rails is better than multiple 12V rails because you dont have to worry about the load distribution across the 12V rails...


now maybe you should research stuff alitlle more the 1000 hx has 2 INDEPENDENT rails each with their own transformer so is like two single rail 500w psu's its a next generation psu cheaper than most regular psu's
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September 17, 2009 6:52:57 AM

^ Maybe you have been reading just about the 1000HX and nothing about the 750 and 850HX ;) 
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/05/27/corsair_hx850...

The Corsair 1000HX is built on the older PUC Platform unlike the 750 and 850HX which are built on the newer DSG Platform, and these have a single powerful 12V rails, which is the reason why they have higher efficiency than the 1000HX...

And everyone here would still agree that a single powerful 12V rails is better than multiple rails...
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September 17, 2009 7:01:24 PM

thanks for the links and proving my points heres a quote from what you sent "About the only place they don't have you covered is if you have the rare board that needs two 8 pin EPS connectors. That's when you start butchering the modular cables. It would be relatively easy to cobble something together that would run from one of the blue connectors to the second EPS. You're unlikely to need six 8 pin PCI-E cables on an 850W unit anyway... there comes a point when you'll have to go get an HX1000 instead."

these are just lower versions of the 1000hx so sure they are amazing but will be useless b4 they die so if 70$ is the difference between eating or not then i guess the wimpy 850 will work but the 1000 will run 2 250's sli with a 9800 for physics 12 gigs of ram and all sorts of goodies and cooling needs and still have plenty of juice to spare and not sound like a jet engine with the fan running above 30db's
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September 18, 2009 4:30:17 AM

^ Those RAM sticks are good...
As you will be using the H50 CPU cooler, you wont have any height issues with the RAM heat-spreaders...
But if you drop to an aftermarket air CPU cooler, then you might want to switch to a RAM with shorter heatsinks...

@danevil - Did you read that statement again - "rare board that needs two 8 pin EPS connectors" - Those are generally $400+ mobos used by enthusiast who push their CPUs beyond the permissible voltage limit using LN2 cooling to break speed records and benchmarks...
I dont think that the OP is wanting to do that...
Even on an extreme overclocking board like the Rampage II Extreme, requires only one 8 Pin EPS connector...

And never overshoot the power requirements...

If you still have any concerns, am ready to address it...
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September 18, 2009 6:09:14 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Those RAM sticks are good...
As you will be using the H50 CPU cooler, you wont have any height issues with the RAM heat-spreaders...
But if you drop to an aftermarket air CPU cooler, then you might want to switch to a RAM with shorter heatsinks...

@danevil - Did you read that statement again - "rare board that needs two 8 pin EPS connectors" - Those are generally $400+ mobos used by enthusiast who push their CPUs beyond the permissible voltage limit using LN2 cooling to break speed records and benchmarks...
I dont think that the OP is wanting to do that...
Even on an extreme overclocking board like the Rampage II Extreme, requires only one 8 Pin EPS connector...

And never overshoot the power requirements...

If you still have any concerns, am ready to address it...

been reading through the forums came across this

"+1 for the Corsair 1000HX...
And that PSU would last you for more than 1 build ;) 

Message edited by gkay09 on 05-22-2009 at 02:18:01 AM"

what made you start hating???
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September 18, 2009 6:56:02 AM

^ The suggestions vary from one build to another... Did you read the complete thread or just my post ? ;) 

I dont hate the 1000HX at all... It is an awesome PSU... It is just that with this build its an serious overkill and the 750HX is capable enough to handle this config...Instead the OP can divert the funds to other components...
Why would you buy a component, when you would not use its full potential ?

@danevil this was a good and healthy conversation between us...I actually learnt more about these PSU and hope you would have done the same... :) 
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December 12, 2009 11:25:37 PM

I'm interested to see how you made out, I have the motherboard that is on your list and my stock i7 940 heatsink/fan broke on me after a year of operation. I am looking at buying the closed loop Corsair watercooling solution you have on your list, but im not sure if it will clear the large heatsink on the motherboard to the left of the CPU. I have a Thermaltake Spedo Advanced and the radiator/pump would need to mount by replacing the top exhaust fan
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