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September 17, 2009 8:40:51 PM

hi, my friend has an 8 year old dell that is giving up on him and he asked me if i wanted to help him build his families new PC

it not going to be used for any type of major gaming, he might fool around with games like Nemesis

it doesn't need to be overclocked

he would like it so he doesn't have to mess around with it much, so he needs the parts to last for a while before needing any upgrades.

he doesn't care if its intel or amd (i personally prefer intel)

500gb or more hard drive and at least 4 gb of ram

my only thought was that the prices of everything might drop as soon of the new line of graphics cards are released i dont know if thats true or not

i usually buy my parts from newegg, but it doesnt really matter as long as it for a good price.

if i left anything out just kindly let me know thanks :) 

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September 17, 2009 8:48:14 PM

What parts do you not need? OS? Monitor?
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September 17, 2009 8:51:34 PM

graphics card prices will drop in some product lines, but that's about it. What kind of timeline are you looking at? I'd probably just go with a combo that newegg usually has up, they vary almost day by day so just keep checking on what they have. If you can wait until Black Friday / Cyber Monday, that's probably going to be the best time to find the best deals, though the ones that can be had now are pretty good too.
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September 17, 2009 8:57:13 PM

need the os, no monitor, no keyboard or mouse
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September 17, 2009 9:28:24 PM

I just built an AMD system for under $500 including $100 for a power supply you may not need. I like Intel also but you will pay a minimum of $200 premium for a comparable system not to mention the ASUS MB I bought for $100 has on board graphics which work fine for what I'm doing. I didn't see any Intel MB with on board graphics. My system includes 4GB of DDR3 dual channel. If you use Intel Core 2 Duo it will be DDR2. I'm very pleased with the system I built and the cost.
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September 17, 2009 9:34:29 PM

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz
+
COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310-BWN1-GP Black
Combo Price: $197.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

MSI P43 Neo-F LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX
$74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ SLI-Ready Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800
+
PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS420X 420W
Combo Price: $86.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ASUS EAH4670/DI/1GD3/V2 Radeon HD 4670 1GB
+
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit w/ free Windows 7 upgrade coupon
Combo Price: $174.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS50
$28.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Grand Total: $613.91

After Rebates: $593.91
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September 17, 2009 9:48:48 PM

You have plenty of room in the budget to get a pretty nice build. This build would work great for the intended use. The GPU is overkill for no gaming, but leave the option open since you said he "he might fool around with games like Nemesis".

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec earthwatts EA430 430W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.0 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $89.94 (Case + PSU combo)

AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $178.99 - $10.00 MIR (CPU + motherboard combo)

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM (Includes free Windows 7 updrade coupon)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $149.98 (HD + OS combo)

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $94.99

XFX HD-485X-YDFC Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $114.99

SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $31.99

Total - $660.88 - $10.00 MIR
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September 17, 2009 10:05:14 PM

It makes little sense to get DDR3 for those uses, at least change the mobo and RAM to AM2+ and DDR2 respectively to save money.

As for the graphics card, a 4850 seems a bit overkill considering he only said "fool around with games like nemesis".


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September 17, 2009 10:08:36 PM

No way on the dead end LGA 775 socket.

Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Combo:
AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H AM3 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Combo:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$566.12 shipped. On board GPU should suffice for a non-gaming build. There's room left for a stand alone GPU solution or an upgrade to a quad core.
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September 17, 2009 10:09:03 PM

build said:
It makes little sense to get DDR3 for those uses, at least change the mobo and RAM to AM2+ and DDR2 respectively to save money.

As for the graphics card, a 4850 seems a bit overkill considering he only said "fool around with games like nemesis".

I would keep the AM3/DDR3 board for sure. That's the new standard and the boards and RAM are nearly the same price. DDR2 prices are on the rise since no new chips use them anymore. They're going the way of DDR RAM.

I mentioned that the 4850 was overkill, but it fits the budget. The AMD route makes more sense in every way. There is no reason to build a new build around a dead LGA 775 chip or DDR2 RAM. A triple core CPU for $120 or an old dual core CPU for $168 is a no-brainer. Core 2 lived a good life, but isn't a viable option for a new build any more.
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September 17, 2009 10:44:45 PM

There are still cheap DDR2 RAM to be had right now. I have DDR2 RAM and I use it for a lot of heavy gaming. Why spend an extra $20 when you'll barely notice the difference?

I agree with you on the AMD ruote, however, considering the guy has been using an 8 year old dell until now, he probably only does web surfing, watching videos and other light tasks. So in my opinion a dual core Phenom II + DDR2 would be perfect for him.

I don't think he should spend his entire budget on something he doesn't need. Money is getting harder and harder to come by these days.
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September 17, 2009 11:02:40 PM

I agree with build. I think AMD is the way to go here, especially if you get a board with the 790FX chipset or similar, the integrated graphics should be fine for just occasionally messing around with games, and if that isn't enough then its just an upgrade away to making the graphics more capable. Considering that the guy kept his last computer for 8 years don't skimp on the powersupply, get a PC Power and Cooling or a similar Tier 1/2 powersupply. I would probably get the 500Watt Silencer for that build, and order that from zipzoomfly:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Zipzoomfly is almost always cheaper than newegg when it comes to PC Power and Cooling power supplies, and they have free shipping on that model right now.
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September 17, 2009 11:55:01 PM

While I have no problem with an intel build, this user really gets the life out of any system they have. 8 years on the last one. With that in mind, a dual core probably shouldn't be considered. A tri core might be a little on the weak side in the long term also.

Here's how I'd spec out a solution:

COMBO:
GPU: Asus 9600 GSO $55 - $20 mir
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows vista w/ win7 upgrade $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Combo price $155-$20 mir
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU: $190 AMD 955 x4 I choose this becuase it fits in the budget, no OC means the better the stock speed, the longer the life. High cache will also let it live a long time vs the 620x4.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COMBO:
Mobo $80 Gigabyte 785G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: $65 GSkill 4gb ddr2 1066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Combo price: $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU: $60-$10mir Seasonic 330w high efficency PSU. I choose this particular unit becuase it has a 5 year warranty and is upto 87%.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: $40 w/free shipping. The free shipping saves $20. Any case will work really, but watch that shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: $75 Western Digital Caviar Black 640gb. This was also choosen for the 5yr warranty over the 3 year that the Samsung offers. Since top end performance is taking a back seat to longevity, the warranties are high on this builds priorities.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical: $31 Pick one, this has free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Card reader: $12 w/ free shipping Rosewill 40 in 1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total delivered:
$694 - $30 rebates if you count them = $664

The only thing you could upgrade with the extra if you do count rebates is the GPU, but doubt it's provide any kind of returns. Save the money.
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September 17, 2009 11:56:12 PM

yeah i think im gonna go with amd it just seems logical.

if the am3/ddr3 board is going to be the new standard how will upgrading be on the "old boards" further in the future? how much would he save buy getting the dual core and ddr2? i am trying to plan for the future so the computer will last for a while without a problem

im sure he would be happy with the 4850

but i'll have to see what he'll prefer

thanks for all the suggestions
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September 18, 2009 12:02:27 AM

skora said:
While I have no problem with an intel build, this user really gets the life out of any system they have. 8 years on the last one. With that in mind, a dual core probably shouldn't be considered. A tri core might be a little on the weak side in the long term also.

Here's how I'd spec out a solution:

COMBO:
GPU: Asus 9600 GSO $55 - $20 mir
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows vista w/ win7 upgrade $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Combo price $155-$20 mir
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU: $190 AMD 955 x4 I choose this becuase it fits in the budget, no OC means the better the stock speed, the longer the life. High cache will also let it live a long time vs the 620x4.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COMBO:
Mobo $80 Gigabyte 785G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: $65 GSkill 4gb ddr2 1066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Combo price: $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU: $60-$10mir Seasonic 330w high efficency PSU. I choose this particular unit becuase it has a 5 year warranty and is upto 87%.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: $40 w/free shipping. The free shipping saves $20. Any case will work really, but watch that shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: $75 Western Digital Caviar Black 640gb. This was also choosen for the 5yr warranty over the 3 year that the Samsung offers. Since top end performance is taking a back seat to longevity, the warranties are high on this builds priorities.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical: $31 Pick one, this has free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Card reader: $12 w/ free shipping Rosewill 40 in 1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total delivered:
$694 - $30 rebates if you count them = $664

The only thing you could upgrade with the extra if you do count rebates is the GPU, but doubt it's provide any kind of returns. Save the money.



i really like the idea of the quad core but I'm wondering how well the power supply would work i don't really know how to rate the power supply but is 380w enough?
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September 18, 2009 12:14:13 AM

skora said:
While I have no problem with an intel build, this user really gets the life out of any system they have. 8 years on the last one. With that in mind, a dual core probably shouldn't be considered. A tri core might be a little on the weak side in the long term also.



If the user will only be doing simple tasks like browsing the web, watching videos or light gaming, the extra cores won't be necessary. In this case, a powerful dual core should be seriously considered. Having more cores is not the answer for everything, unless your a heavy multi-tasker.

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September 18, 2009 12:21:49 AM

will applications that become standard in the coming years use the 4 cores or could he last another 8 years on a strong dual core system
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September 18, 2009 12:31:10 AM

As I said, it depends on what he uses the computer for. If he only uses it for light apps such as internet browsing or watching videos, then a powerful dual core would serve him well for a long time and will save him money.
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September 18, 2009 1:26:10 AM

wardy22 said:
will applications that become standard in the coming years use the 4 cores or could he last another 8 years on a strong dual core system


There's no telling what apps will use in the next 4-6 years, let alone 8. That and the needs of the user may change as kids get older. If a dual core can't cut it in the future, means earlier replacement. While I agree that a dual core is fine for now and the next 2-3 years, the fact is that the 955 at $190 vs an E8400 at $168 is a worth-while expense. $22 for double the cores, doesn't make sense not to.

As for the PSU, plugging my suggested build into this PSU Calculator came back with 247w needed. Using my build with a 4850 instead was 301w. I'd probably look a little higher on seasonics list if I was going with the 4850, but un-overclocked setups with little GPU needs and just 1 HDD and optical need very little power.
$70 amir Seasonic 500w w/ 5y warranty
$60 amir Corsair 450w w/ 5yr warranty
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September 18, 2009 1:28:42 AM

wardy22 said:
if the am3/ddr3 board is going to be the new standard how will upgrading be on the "old boards" further in the future?

Getting a DDR3 build will make it much cheaper to upgrade the RAM in the future. Have you checked prices on regular DDR RAM lately? That's what will happen to DDR2 RAM as it's phased out. I just don't see any reason to use DDR2 in a new build. I picked very high quality DDR3 1600 RAM, but there are cheaper options if you need to save a little money. I just built the best build I could come up while staying under budget. Of course you could save money by going with a dual core and DDR2 RAM, but that doesn't mean it makes much sense to do so.
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September 18, 2009 1:47:44 AM

A very valid point on the ram upgrade if it needs it in the future ss_mt.

To upgrade my suggested build to DDR3, I'd pick this mobo:
$70 amir Gigabyte 770 AM3

and then this ram:
$91 4gb OCZ platinum DDR3 1333 Cas 7 w/free 4gb flash drive and free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That would be at budget if you count the mirs.
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September 18, 2009 1:58:22 AM

The only issue with a smaller PS is if you plan on doing large (power) upgrades in the future. A high quality 350W-400W can easily be better than a low quality 500W-600W. And for comparison, I just helped pick out i7 rackmount workstations that only had 200W power supplies in them, so this is a case when bigger isn't always better. But if he decided to drop a 5890 in there down the road, there will be problems. So a slight bump in PSU isn't unreasonable, but stick to the good brands!
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September 18, 2009 10:00:16 PM

all right thanks for all the suggestions, im probably going to go with amd and DDR3
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September 19, 2009 12:51:33 AM

I picked that seasonic for the 5year warranty and I would put the seasonic name as one of the top manufactures out there. I don't think Antec actually makes their own PSUs, but contract someone else to build it like corsair does. So its possible, seasonic makes both. That would take some further digging. But with the earthwatts only have a 3 year warranty and you trying to get as long a life out of it as possible, I'd still go with the seasonic over the antec.
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September 19, 2009 1:31:44 AM

so here's what i have so far, please feel free to make any criticisms or changes.

AMD Phenom II x3 720 2.8GHz -COMBO- GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$178.99


OCZ Platinum 4GB DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$90.99


ASUS EN9600GSO -COMBO- Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$159.98


SeaSonic S12 II SS-500GB 500W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$79.99


Western Digital Caviar Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$74.99


?????????LITE-ON Black 24X???????????????
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$31.99


Antec Three Hundred
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$54.99


total after shipping-$681.98
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September 19, 2009 4:16:53 AM

I'm not crazy about Lite-on. They gave me a couple bad drives. See if you can find a Samsung instead. I have the 500GB version of the WD black and really like it, though others will probably suggest Samsung HD as well (cheaper and as good of a drive, I think).
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September 19, 2009 11:50:33 AM

The spinpoints will have better performance than your Cav Black cuz they use a single 500gb platter. Very high density means the heads don't have to travel as far to get the same amount of data. The older 500gb cav blacks are 2x 250gb platters and the 640 is 2x320gb platters. WD still hasn't released a black 500gb platter yet that I'm aware of. The green line has them though. But choosing the Cav black 640, as noted in my build, has a 5 year warranty, not the 3 of the samsung. And the cav black 640 is on sale this weekend for $65 I just saw!!!!
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September 19, 2009 2:47:29 PM

Yeah, I use to get Seagates until they dumped the 5 year warranty. Then when I saw this WD Black with the 5, I decided to get it (I forgot that was the main reason I bought it). Certainly true it isn't the fastest, but for the work I do on my computer it is sufficient.
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