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September 18, 2009 3:50:30 AM

I am a college student who plays games and would like to explore the world of crysis among the other new and future games for the PC, keep in mind I also do the typical school work, cd/dvd burning, music, etc. I have been researching this build for the last 2 months and working on it. I wanted a quality PC that will last me for a good while and do everything I want. My budget is $1000 including the monitor. Sorry if not the correct layout, just under strict time limit and have to make sure I'm good to order when I wake up. Thank you all so much for any input and your time! (P.S.-I know I know, i5 this i5 that, but I just feel I've put in too much time researching the AMD 955 BE for the last 2 months that this processor is the one I will go with. Again, thank you for your time.

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GRAND TOTAL: $1,005
What do you think??? ANY input is sooo appreciated, good night!
September 18, 2009 3:55:50 AM

An i5 build will outperform it easily
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It comes out to slightly more once you include the monitor but the 4890 will do better at that resolution than a 4870. I really suggest the i5, im not an intel fanboy or anything, if you check my config you can see that i built a system around an AMD 955 a few months ago, but the i5 is superior to it and currently a great value. Though you really dont want to buy right now, wait until tuesday when the 5xxx cards come out and shake up market prices. I dont normally suggest waiting for the next big thing but if its under a week away its hard not to.

Build posted by Why_Me in another thread, i copied it over because i am amazed by the value.

edit: Oh and that case would Roast an AMD quad, the 955 produces a fair bit of heat, and my antec 300 provides far more cooling than that coolermaster you picked and i have to turn the 14cm and 12cm fans up to medium to keep it under 60 at load.
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September 18, 2009 4:02:19 AM

:( .....You're really kinda burstin' my bubble here, I was so set on that setup but that build sure looks appealing. It is definitely a little out of my budget w/ that monitor I want....and I hate to wait till tuesday because I finally got my money for my system today and would love to order in the morning and get it on monday hopefully. BUT wow, this is a hard call....that setup looks soo good but all my research has been on the amd, I hate to buy this going in w/ no familiarity with Intel. Thank you for your input, follow up and any other's opinion is greatly appreciated!! thanks guys
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September 18, 2009 4:06:42 AM

FirstTimer said:
:( .....You're really kinda burstin' my bubble here, I was so set on that setup but that build sure looks appealing. It is definitely a little out of my budget w/ that monitor I want....and I hate to wait till tuesday because I finally got my money for my system today and would love to order in the morning and get it on monday hopefully. BUT wow, this is a hard call....that setup looks soo good but all my research has been on the amd, I hate to buy this going in w/ no familiarity with Intel. Thank you for your input, follow up and any other's opinion is greatly appreciated!! thanks guys


That set up hunter315 posted will mop the floor with the AMD 955.
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September 18, 2009 5:20:52 AM

You'll really regret spending your money on a system and finding out you could have had considerably better performance for only slightly more money. The fact that you spent a lot of time researching the AMD build isn't a good reason to not go with a superior build.

I don't have any preference between Intel and AMD. I just use what offers the best price/performance at the time. I was suggesting builds around the Phenom II X4 955 until the i5 was released. The 955 is now much less appealing. That's how this industry works. Something that's recommended one day can be replaced by a superior component overnight. All the reputable sites have i5 reviews so you can check the benchmarks for yourself. Just prepare yourself for what you'll see. The new i5 and i7 chips are very fast.
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September 18, 2009 5:32:39 AM

FirstTimer said:
:( .....You're really kinda burstin' my bubble here, I was so set on that setup but that build sure looks appealing. It is definitely a little out of my budget w/ that monitor I want....and I hate to wait till tuesday because I finally got my money for my system today and would love to order in the morning and get it on monday hopefully. BUT wow, this is a hard call....that setup looks soo good but all my research has been on the amd, I hate to buy this going in w/ no familiarity with Intel. Thank you for your input, follow up and any other's opinion is greatly appreciated!! thanks guys


i5 benchmarks and reviews

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-lynnfield,2...

http://www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/reviews/cpus/intel-core-i5-7...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/09/08/intel-...

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-Core-i5-and-i7-Pr...
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September 18, 2009 5:35:03 AM

Quote: "that setup looks soo good but all my research has been on the amd"

that sounds too childish, buddy you're in college just because you've done research it doesn't mean it's right or even accurate. read some articles i5> everything amd has right now. i5 750 only 198 dollars.

go with what hunter315 copied from someone else, but switch the power supply to
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September 18, 2009 6:20:51 AM

Why_Me said:
That set up hunter315 posted will mop the floor with the AMD 955.


The set up posted by hunter315 is reasonably cheap but it lacks a monitor and if the same combos are included in an AMD build then that becomes cheaper than the OP's first draft .

And then there are other things worth mentioning . Like the fact that the i5 will NOT mop the floor with a 955 Phenom
See this article : http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639&p=3

Using nVidia GTX275 the phenom powers past ci5 and ci7 and scores much higher minimum fps

With a 4890 the Phenom is of equal performance in gaming
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September 18, 2009 6:24:13 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The set up posted by hunter315 is reasonably cheap but it lacks a monitor and if the same combos are included in an AMD build then that becomes cheaper than the OP's first draft .

And then there are other things worth mentioning . Like the fact that the i5 will NOT mop the floor with a 955 Phenom
See this article : http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639&p=3

Using nVidia GTX275 the phenom powers past ci5 and ci7 and scores much higher minimum fps

With a 4890 the Phenom is of equal performance in gaming


Nothing against Anandtech, but after seeing their review on the 4890 I'm a bit reluctant when I read any of their reviews. That 4890 review was so bad even the regulars on their said it was a farce. I always find it odd that their reviews differ so much from just about everyone else. Now why is it that their reviews on that i5 differ so much from the other review sites ? Like they aren't even close to being the same.
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September 18, 2009 6:32:12 AM

There has been a definite trend that Phenom has produced higher minimum fps than ci7 . Its not just anandtech thats reported results like that .

Yes the i5 will be faster at some tasks but its hardly a king hit for a gaming pc . It is a worth competitor though and to choose between the two is going to be about price , and maybe gfx card updates .
There are sensational early reports of Phenom and 5870 cards

With 5870 a few days away its not the time to commit to a 4870 or 4890 or any GTX .

Id urge the OP to sleep a few more nights and then decide
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September 18, 2009 4:12:31 PM

I agree with Outlander. Grit your teeth and wait another week; even if you don't choose one of the new GPUs, the prices will likely drop on the older ones pretty quickly.
It doesn't matter if i5 "mops the floor" with the 955 on benchmarks, if the eye can't see the difference in the game, OR if the lower platform price of the 955 (becoming smaller though!) allows the purchase of a nicer GPU which gives better performance.
Not to sound like a broken record, but if you need CPU performance (for other than games) go i7 for the hyperthreading and cache that i5 doesn't have; if you need GPU performance (most games), then even a "lowly" 720BE matched up with a higher-end GPU (or a Crossfired pair) will be a better use of funds.
If you buy a low-end Coolermaster case, add a front fan to it for better airflow. The CM-RC690+cooler combo from hunter/Why_Me's list though is an even better idea; that case has plenty of room and excellent cooling.
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September 18, 2009 6:10:09 PM

Outlander_04 said:
worth mentioning . Like the fact that the i5 will NOT mop the floor with a 955 Phenom
See this article : http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3639&p=3

Using nVidia GTX275 the phenom powers past ci5 and ci7 and scores much higher minimum fps
One of the reasons for that anomalous result is in the GTX275 comparison they are running stock speeds. The Phenom 965 (not 955) has an 800Mhz advantage. In the multimedia section the compared both CPUs at stock and OC at 3.8GHz. Weird that they didnt do the same for gaming. But even in the anandtech summary they said:

When comparing clock for clock speeds at 3.8GHz, the Intel processors offer a clear performance advantage over the 965 BE said:
When comparing clock for clock speeds at 3.8GHz, the Intel processors offer a clear performance advantage over the 965 BE
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September 18, 2009 9:20:49 PM

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

"Intel's Lynnfield Desktop Platform consistently topped the charts in our performance benchmarks today. Thanks to a new microarchitecture and features like Turbo Boost, the P55/i5-750 test system repeatedly outperformed the similarly clocked Core 2 Quad Q9450 in our P45 system. In most of the benchmarks, it even topped AMD's 790FX platform with our 3.2 GHz Phenom II X4 955. All three systems can be found at similar price points, which makes the Lynnfield platform the clear winner in terms of value."
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September 18, 2009 9:22:31 PM

dndhatcher said:
One of the reasons for that anomalous result is in the GTX275 comparison they are running stock speeds. The Phenom 965 (not 955) has an 800Mhz advantage. In the multimedia section the compared both CPUs at stock and OC at 3.8GHz. Weird that they didnt do the same for gaming. But even in the anandtech summary they said:



clock for clock theres no doubt that the intel does more work .It also has a clear lead in encoding tasks

but as far as Im concerned its far more reasonable to compare on PRICE , and MHz means little or nothing
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September 18, 2009 9:27:01 PM

Well I pulled the trigger and bought my stuff this morning. I just couldn't wait any longer plus I have papers due for school next week so I need it now. I can't tell you all how appreciative I am of all your advice and opinions. I'm truly glad I came here before I just bought it because I went with the i5 after realizing my ignorance to it's superior performance and not to mention, I am actually getting by with a cheaper build than I had AND a better GPU. I know the new ones are coming soon but as long as I have a good one for now, I can upgrade later. Well this is my final build, let me know what ya think!! (P.S.-This is my first attempt at building a computer but I'm determined to learn so if anyone could point me in the right direction to help me through the process once my equipment arrives, that would be greatly appreciated!!) Again, thanks everyone for all your help!

***FINAL BUILD---TOTAL PRICE $1,012***
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Intel Core i5 Processor i5-750 2.66GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, Retail I5-750BOX

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Grand total was right there at my $1000 goal. The newegg combos helped out a ton plus that deal on ewiz is incredible. Sorry for not exactly giving links or anything, I've just worked a 12 hr. day and am lazy... :)  Thank you for your time, let me know how I did!
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September 18, 2009 9:50:55 PM

Outlander_04 said:
but as far as Im concerned its far more reasonable to compare on PRICE , and MHz means little or nothing
That the point - for about the same $$ you can get the superior power of the i5 so why go with an PhenomIIx4? Until you drop down to the PIIx3 or AIIx4 you dont see enough price advantage to offset the performance loss.
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September 18, 2009 10:09:28 PM

dndhatcher said:
That the point - for about the same $$ you can get the superior power of the i5 so why go with an PhenomIIx4? Until you drop down to the PIIx3 or AIIx4 you dont see enough price advantage to offset the performance loss.



Didn't take much to convince me to be honest. I mean, I've been doing nothing but researching my build around the AMD 955 for the last 2 months, and this was after my first goal to base a build around the x3 720 so I thought I was really making a great decision.

Just in half a day's worth of researching, I'm fully convinced there is absolutely no point in going with the AMD 955 over the Intel i5 when it comes to all points, most importantly price and performance. The kicker is that I even came out with an cheaper build (under $1000) with the i5 than I thought I had finally decided on with the nearly $1100 955 build (PLUS a frickin' 4890 over a 4870!).

Anyways, I'm done admitting my conversion from AMD to Intel and why. Thanks for reading. NOW, what's a good speaker/keyboard/mouse setup for this build or some that you just personally recommend? About a $40-80 budget for these components in all really. Also fixing to go to Target where I work to pick up a copy of Cryostasis on clearance for $15. Probably get Crysis too purely to experience something I never have on a PC. They also have a pretty decent selection of speakers in the $50 dollar range like the Sony's and the Logitech's and those damn overpriced $100 Bose. Anyway sorry for the wall of text but I'm pretty stoked!! (coming from my first CPU-an iBook G4 i bought in '05-only played WOW on about 20 FPS max w/ lowest settings :cry:  But thanks for your help/time!!
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September 18, 2009 10:48:21 PM

Your final build looks great. Nice job! Good luck with the build.
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September 18, 2009 10:53:37 PM

FirstTimer said:
NOW, what's a good speaker/keyboard/mouse setup for this build or some that you just personally recommend?
I'm not qualified to help you with that. I am satisfied with my $10 Walmart headset (with microphone), a free (after MIR) keyboard and a $10 optical mouse. I actually have a couple decent sets of speakers and stopped using them. Having two PCs in the same room playing different games on speakers was too distracting. Now I just have voice and game both on the headset.

I guess my only contribution is to say optical mouse with a wire (not wireless). Nothing is more annoying than having an entire raid come to a halt because one person needs to dig up new batteries and put them in their mouse.
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September 18, 2009 10:55:44 PM

FirstTimer said:
Didn't take much to convince me to be honest. I mean, I've been doing nothing but researching my build around the AMD 955 for the last 2 months, and this was after my first goal to base a build around the x3 720 so I thought I was really making a great decision.

Just in half a day's worth of researching, I'm fully convinced there is absolutely no point in going with the AMD 955 over the Intel i5 when it comes to all points, most importantly price and performance. The kicker is that I even came out with an cheaper build (under $1000) with the i5 than I thought I had finally decided on with the nearly $1100 955 build (PLUS a frickin' 4890 over a 4870!).

Anyways, I'm done admitting my conversion from AMD to Intel and why. Thanks for reading. NOW, what's a good speaker/keyboard/mouse setup for this build or some that you just personally recommend? About a $40-80 budget for these components in all really. Also fixing to go to Target where I work to pick up a copy of Cryostasis on clearance for $15. Probably get Crysis too purely to experience something I never have on a PC. They also have a pretty decent selection of speakers in the $50 dollar range like the Sony's and the Logitech's and those damn overpriced $100 Bose. Anyway sorry for the wall of text but I'm pretty stoked!! (coming from my first CPU-an iBook G4 i bought in '05-only played WOW on about 20 FPS max w/ lowest settings :cry:  But thanks for your help/time!!



Good job on picking the i5, I actually "downgraded" to it from an i7 build while keeping the same gaming performance and saving some dough. If you have a chance, hold off on the GPU for a week to see if the prices come down with the release of 58xx series.

As for peripherals: mouse - Logitech G5 is one of the best gaming mice out there to date, razer also has some pretty good ones; keyboard - it's personal preference, but i like my Saitek Eclipse; and speakers - I actually have Bose (for $80, not sure if it's the same model you're talking about) but they sound pretty phenomenal and I like dual inputs (I use one for PC and another to stream Pandora from my blackberry WiFi- that way I'm not using up the monthly hours, saving processing power and have easy access to controls even if I'm in a game). I've had Klipsch, Altec Lansing and Logitech setups before with 2.1, 2, and 5.1 setups and overall, I'd rate these Bose highest. I'm still planning to get Logitech Z-5500 system, but for my living room - they're one of the best computer speaker systems out there (can be used with home theater too), but they come in at ~$300 on Amazon :( 
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September 18, 2009 11:10:09 PM

dndhatcher said:
I'm not qualified to help you with that. I am satisfied with my $10 Walmart headset (with microphone), a free (after MIR) keyboard and a $10 optical mouse. I actually have a couple decent sets of speakers and stopped using them. Having two PCs in the same room playing different games on speakers was too distracting. Now I just have voice and game both on the headset.

I guess my only contribution is to say optical mouse with a wire (not wireless). Nothing is more annoying than having an entire raid come to a halt because one person needs to dig up new batteries and put them in their mouse.



LOL...wtf you use about the identical set up as me. I use an el cheapo Logitech keyboard...$12 - $15 at Walmart, and $20 headset, and a logitech trac ball mouse for right handers. ....and I never use anything with batteries for the same reason you just mentioned. Cheap and wired ftw! :bounce: 
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September 18, 2009 11:31:58 PM

Why_Me said:
I use an el cheapo Logitech keyboard...$12 - $15 at Walmart,
You need to learn how to find bargains. Almost every year at thanksgiving and post-Xmas sales Frys and/or Bestbuy will have a $10 keyboard at $5off with a $5 MIR along with a $30 stack of CDs for $10 off and $20 MIR. Usually there are free (or nearly free) mice, anti-virus, turbotax, etc. also. I usually spend about $200 and get $150 back in rebates for a cartload of junk.
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September 18, 2009 11:43:59 PM

dndhatcher said:
That the point - for about the same $$ you can get the superior power of the i5 so why go with an PhenomIIx4? Until you drop down to the PIIx3 or AIIx4 you dont see enough price advantage to offset the performance loss.


955 is less than the i5 750
the mb's are about the same price if you want crossfire , and $50 less for Phenom if you dont
and theres potential for the 955 to be a better gaming cpu
true the i5 wins elsewhere , but given the OP's usage the i5 isnt necessarily the better choice since either cpu can get the job done .

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