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SUFFERING from the usual techno anxiety! - i5 with GTS240 - or - i7 with GT 220

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December 9, 2009 12:53:15 PM

Hi

Which would be best for games:

i5-750 Processor + 2GB NVIDIA GTS-240
or
i7-860 Processor + 1GB NVIDIA GT-220

Running on a 19" or 21" screen at mid-res.
(And the GT220 could not be updated on the machine it is in)

Thanks for any advice.

(ps - I know there's better out there than either, but that's the budget option I have.)
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December 9, 2009 12:56:54 PM

Strictly for gaming? Only these two choices? I'd go with the i5/240
Anonymous
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December 9, 2009 1:04:45 PM

Thanks for that.

As I'm not building the system, I'm stuck with choosing the combinations that are out there.

The i5-750 Processor + 2GB NVIDIA GTS-240... runs at 2.66GHz

but the i7-860 Processor + 1GB NVIDIA GT-220... runs at 2.8GHz

Would that make much difference?

I'm obviously trying to choose the one that will not need updating too quickly in future. (but I know that i5 cannot be later updated to i7...)

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December 9, 2009 1:08:35 PM

Both those graphics cards are woefully underpowered for the cpu's. Understand that any gaming you do will be mediocre at best because of that.

That said, the i5 and 240 is the only sensible option.
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December 9, 2009 1:20:41 PM

Quote:
Thanks for that.

As I'm not building the system, I'm stuck with choosing the combinations that are out there.

The i5-750 Processor + 2GB NVIDIA GTS-240... runs at 2.66GHz

but the i7-860 Processor + 1GB NVIDIA GT-220... runs at 2.8GHz

Would that make much difference?



Well first question is, what store/website are you looking at these 2 computers from.
2 whats your budget. (we maybe able to find a better computer for the price.)
3. what games are you playing?

For gaming out of those 2 option, the core i5 GTS 240would be the better choice as most game today are gpu limited than cpu.

Quote:
I'm obviously trying to choose the one that will not need updating too quickly in future. (but I know that i5 cannot be later updated to i7...)


Actually the core i5 could be updated to an i7. What may limit you is manufacture may put bios limitation. just as long as you put an core i7 8xx (like the 860) and not the core i7 9xx (like the 920), you'll be fine.
Anonymous
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December 9, 2009 1:49:29 PM

Thanks.

I wanted to go directly through Dell/Alienware, but they cannot now delivery in time foir Christmas - and it is a present for my son, who will want to play latest war games, Sims 3, etc

So these are machines from high street stores, which I know don't give the same value as manufacture direct, but it's all I've left to choose from.


The 15-750/GTS-240 is in a Packard Bell iPower I9520. The other PC was a Dell XPS8000.


And is it even worth considering a laptop for gaming or are they prohibitively expensive for a gaming spec?

I'm panicking now!...

Many thanks again.
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December 9, 2009 2:19:34 PM

Quote:
Thanks.

I wanted to go directly through Dell/Alienware, but they cannot now delivery in time foir Christmas - and it is a present for my son, who will want to play latest war games, Sims 3, etc

So these are machines from high street stores, which I know don't give the same value as manufacture direct, but it's all I've left to choose from.


The 15-750/GTS-240 is in a Packard Bell iPower I9520. The other PC was a Dell XPS8000.


And is it even worth considering a laptop for gaming or are they prohibitively expensive for a gaming spec?

I'm panicking now!...

Many thanks again.


For a gaming laptop, it not really worth it unless he going to be playing games on the go or on vacation from home.

For a gaming laptop, for a decent one, will start around $1k and for some of the best laptop's with the latest hardware, at the cheapest, will start $1,499.99. Asus g51j is that starting point of $1499. Even though this asus laptop has the lastest hardware, it's still equivalent to last year desktops in terms of power.

For what you wanting and needing, The core i5 system will be the best choice.

Anonymous
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December 9, 2009 2:26:23 PM

Oh and the packard Bell iPower is retailing at $1300/£850.

I suppose if I could later upgrade the graphics card in the i5-750 model, that would help. I'll have to check out whether or not that's possible
Anonymous
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December 9, 2009 2:33:56 PM

If we've established that NVidia GTS-240 is needed, at minimum - what would the Radeon HD equivalent of that be - the 4650, 4670?

(Or a 48-- series?..)
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December 9, 2009 2:37:28 PM

Quote:
Oh and the packard Bell iPower is retailing at $1300/£850.

I suppose if I could later upgrade the graphics card in the i5-750 model, that would help. I'll have to check out whether or not that's possible


With Gpu's, unless the Pci-e been locked (which in your case it wont be because it need to be unlocked to run the gts 240 in it), you'll be able to switch out gpu's to what ever you like. Like the Nvidia GTX 260, 285 or Ati HD 5850.

What you will have to worry about though is the PSU. If may or may not be able to handle higher powered gpu's. Although most PSU are standardized form so you should be able to swap out psu's with ease.


Hope this helps.

EDIT:

Also would this be the Computer your looking into?
http://www.packardbell.co.uk/showroom/desktops/ipower/i...

Just a double check to be sure im looking at the right 1. ;) 
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December 9, 2009 2:43:16 PM

Quote:
If we've established that NVidia GTS-240 is needed, at minimum - what would the Radeon HD equivalent of that be - the 4650, 4670?

(Or a 48-- series?..)


The radeon equivalent of the gt 240 is the 4670 - it is a little bit less powerful and a lot less expensive. I would still be looking at a more powerful card, something like a 4770/4850/5750 minimum. All of those are the equivalent of the gts 250 and are pretty much the start of 'gaming' graphics cards now.
Anonymous
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December 9, 2009 2:56:01 PM

Warmon6

"Also would this be the Computer your looking into?
http://www.packardbell.co.uk/showr [...] 05-43.html

Just a double check to be sure im looking at the right 1. "


Yes, that's the one. Though the ones listed below - see link- now seem better specced...

Jennyh - thanks for the info, that's very helpful.
But there seems to be better machines listed here with more of your graphic card recommendations -

http://www.pcchecker.co.uk/compare-computer-prices.asp?...

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December 9, 2009 2:56:19 PM

Quote:
If we've established that NVidia GTS-240 is needed, at minimum - what would the Radeon HD equivalent of that be - the 4650, 4670?

(Or a 48-- series?..)


Well im not sure the equivalent Ati card to nvidia gts 240 :??:  although im guessing it will be around the 4650. maybe lower.



Now if the computer link above is the correct computer you're looking into, i would stick with Nvidia's cards as the MB in it will be able to do SLI.

What SLI means to the average person is that instead of having to buy a more powerful, more expansive, graphic card to play newer games, they can buy the same exact card to get more performance that can equal to or exceed the performance of a single graphic card.

The nice thing about sli is that you dont need 2 of the same graphic cards right away. You can get 1 now and buy a second one later when the prices have come down on it.

Now the GTS 240 CAN'T sli because it doesn't have the sli connector but the GTS 250 and above can.
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December 9, 2009 2:59:43 PM

warmon all i5 and i7 mobo's are crossfire capable by default, and in fact they need to be certified for sli.
Anonymous
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December 9, 2009 3:07:43 PM

Sure - http://www.pcchecker.co.uk/compare-computer-prices.asp?...

Most of the PCs listed above seem to be running HD 4850 and 5770s, which we've established are better than the GTS240.

But you're also saying that I shouldn't replace the NVidia GTS with a higher spec HD card because of compatibilty issues?

(And it seems easier to get a higher spec HD than a Nvidia, for some reason...)

Anonymous
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December 9, 2009 3:11:21 PM

Gotta go drop my son at his gran's - while trying to rush back to find a PC for him!

Thanks so much for the help - I'll check back in later for any updates.

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December 9, 2009 5:23:54 PM

jennyh said:
warmon all i5 and i7 mobo's are crossfire capable by default, and in fact they need to be certified for sli.


well i must of been living under a rock. :lol:  i never notice that. well i notice MB needed to be Sli certified and i been thinking it's the same with CF. well i guess i don't pay much attention to minor stuff like that.
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December 9, 2009 6:14:41 PM

I'm a little late, but if I were looking for a pc I would go to newegg and use their power search.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/PowerSearch.aspx?N=203228...
You can select a few different options and see what comes up. I normally receive my orders within 5 days; this also depends on where you are located.

I also agree with BDDazza: "Couldn't you buy a cheaper Athlon II rig or a Phenom II rig and use the rest of the money on a better video card."

Phenom II chips are pretty cheap and have good performance. The Phenom II 955 performs similar to the i5 at stock speeds. Considering you are not building the rig, I’m thinking that you are not going to overclock the cpu.

Hope that helps some.
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December 9, 2009 6:54:00 PM

The dont have newegg in the UK pro Llama. ;) 
a b à CPUs
December 9, 2009 7:14:22 PM

I feel bad for the OP, whoever is selling that PC is gonna make good coin. There has to be a way we can get a more balanced PC for his son...
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December 9, 2009 7:40:52 PM

warmon6 said:
The dont have newegg in the UK pro Llama. ;) 

Sorry to hear that :( 
I dont know if I will be of any help,
Good Luck
I'm sure you will find something good.
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a b Î Nvidia
December 9, 2009 9:13:06 PM

warmon6 said:

Now the GTS 240 CAN'T sli because it doesn't have the sli connector but the GTS 250 and above can.


Quote:
My bad, the GTS 250 is capable, it is a step up from the 9800 GTX+.

But the GT 220/GTS240 shouldnt be considered.


The GTS 250 is leaps and bounds better than the GTS 240. Honestly, the fact that nVidia even released the GTS 220 and GTS 240 baffles me. Neither are relevant for playing modern games in my opinion.
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December 9, 2009 10:03:56 PM

The 220 and 240 are GPU's specifically meant for HTPC purposes, gaming on these is out of the question. The only 240 that can game at low-med settings is this :

Palit NE5T240SFHD01 GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

there is also a Zotac and EVGA with the same specs ;) 

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December 10, 2009 8:10:13 AM

OP:

If you're in the UK get onto scan.co.uk or overclockers.co.uk and get one of their pre-built systems.

With every option you're looking at you're getting horribly ripped off.

For example:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS...

Change your case option to an Antec 300 and graphics card option to a Radeon 5850 or 5870, yes it hits a grand in price and will rock any games thrown at it for a while yet and much cheaper than an Alienware.

For about half that price is http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS...

which is also perfectly good, but if your budget can stretch it e-mail them and ask if they'll upgrade it with a Radeon 5850 or 5870 - it'll last longer than the 4870 included as standard.
December 10, 2009 11:49:24 AM

If you live in the UK, theres a stored called novatech, i live in reading and we have one here, its basically Ebuyer in a shop.

You may even wish to drive to one of its that important

I got all the bits for my bros system on the day and didnt have to wait they had all this in stock...

i7920
P6T asus MB
ati 4870 x 2
6BG ddr3 ram
750 antec PSU
antec 300
and all the rest ect

you could go there get exactly what u want, and they are good value too, way better than alienware

and they can advise on what u need then make it for u as well.

id ring them then take the car down to collect it if u need it asap
Anonymous
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December 10, 2009 3:14:49 PM

Many thanks for the replies; I think I've learned what I should be looking for.


'Scan' and 'Overclockers' clearly offer more machine for the money. Much better specced.

But independent online reviews say that if your ordered machine works 100% - fine; but if there is anything wrong that needs remedying then woe betide anyone who tries to get it fixed as both companies customer service in these instances seems to be pretty abysmal.

The general consensus is that if you need to return anything or have anything fixed, they just don't want to know. And the instances when this might be needed don't seem that rare.

It doesn't really give me the confidence to hand over what is quite a lot of money to an online store with that kind of rep.


I'll check out NOVATECH. Thanks for that. At least they have a physical store.


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December 10, 2009 3:19:49 PM

Overclockers have a physical store - I live 10 minutes away from it.

I've ordered online and gone ot the store and never once had a problem with customer service, but there are always cases when things to go awry.

In my experience Novatech are a bit more expensive, but they'll still come out with more bang-for-buck than Alienware/Dell or whoever.

Anybody have an issue with Cyberpower? If you order today or tomorrow they'll get it out before Christmas and keep VAT at 15% (it's going back up soon apparently)
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December 10, 2009 3:28:15 PM

Cyberpower an Ibuypower sell very good systems for the price, the good thing about both companies is that they use quality brand name parts, not Intel crap like Dell and HP among others. You get to choose every single PC component. It's the next best thing if building is not an option. Not sure if they ship worldwide.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

http://www.ibuypower.com/

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December 10, 2009 4:51:58 PM

http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/

More than likely not the same company as its US namesake but these guys are who I was referring to.

Customers seem happy enough.
Anonymous
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December 10, 2009 5:58:34 PM

Cheers, I'll check out Cyberpower.

But just been looking at someone's recommendation - Ebuyer

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176821?pp=1 - which is £657 (£250-350 cheaper than other store options)


So:

ZOOSTORM
i5-750 ~ ATI HD-4870 ~ 8MB / 6GB DDR3 ~ 1333Mhz / 2.66Ghz (£657, no monitor)

against

PACKARD BELL iPower
i5-750 ~ NVidia GTS-240 ~ 8MB / 6GB DDR3 ~ 1066Mhz / 2.66Ghz (£1029)

Does the Zoostorm have it?


(Just going to check Cyberpower...)

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December 10, 2009 6:04:15 PM

LePhuronn said:
http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/

More than likely not the same company as its US namesake but these guys are who I was referring to.

Customers seem happy enough.


Yea its the same company ;)  , so now the OP has a few more options.
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December 10, 2009 7:50:06 PM

The Zoostorm looks good but without more detail from eBuyer on what specifically the components are I couldn't say if it was too good to be true.

Have a look at the Infinity i5 Achilles on Cyberpower
http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Infinity_i5_Ac...

You'll need to add Windows though - if you have Windows already you can just buy a Windows 7 upgrade.
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