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September 20, 2009 2:26:18 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Aprox. last week of october. Or early November

BUDGET RANGE: 600-800 pounds Incl of Monitor.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: University and Home Purposes, Surfing, Watching Videos, Gaming.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Its from scratch. I have a laptop and am sick of it. Would like to have something larger for regular use. And the Laptop, when I am moving about. Do have 2.1 Logitec speakers, so dont need them for now. Neither do I need an OS.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I have heard good things of "dabs" but feel free to recommend COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: UK

PARTS PREFERENCES: No Preferences. Would Like a Phenom II X4 or a Core 2 Quad. May be a i5/i7

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I havent been down the road of assembling for a while now. But am wanting to get back in. Skills are a bit rusty, but Im sure i can brush up. So please feel free to comment or post your specifications. I am in no hurry to get a comp, but would like to have one by the end of the year. My Laptop is just to unreliable.

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Here is a list of Parts that I have selected till now, or would have liked. Again, I am a bit rusty, so please correct me if they are compatible or something -

Processor -

AMD Phenom II X4 955 AM3 3.2GHz 6MB Black Edition

http://www.dabs.com/products/amd-phenom-ii-x4-955-am3-3...

Mainboard -

Asus AM3 AMD 785G DDR3 mATX A L

http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-am3-amd-785g-ddr3-mat...

Graphics -

XFX GeForce GTX 260 660MHz 896MB DDR3 PCIE DVI (Black Edition)

http://www.dabs.com/products/xfx-geforce-gtx-260-660mhz...

RAM -

OCZ Technology DDR3 4gb (2X2) Platinum 2000Mhz (Maybe even upto 8gb or 2 of these)

http://www.dabs.com/products/ocz-technology-ddr3-4gb--2...

HDD -

Seagate 1.5TB Barracuda 7200RPM SATA-300 32MB

http://www.dabs.com/products/seagate-1-5tb-barracuda-72...

Case and PSU

http://www.dabs.com/products/best-value-1005-black-silv...

Best Value 1005 Black/Silver Midi ATX Case 500W

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Thank-You.

More about : budget 700 pounds

September 20, 2009 2:55:17 PM

The PSU you selected won't be enough, it's probably cheap rubbish, since you'll be going DDR3 anyway you might just as well get an i5 rig for nearly the same price and I included a better (and cheaper) graphics card and cheaper memory.


CPU: http://www.dabs.com/products/intel-core-i5-750-quad-cor...

Motherboard: http://www.dabs.com/products/gigabyte-s1156-intel-p55-m...

Hard drive: http://www.dabs.com/products/seagate-1-5tb-barracuda-72...

PSU: http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair-memory-550w-vx-psu...

Case: http://www.dabs.com/products/antec-three-hundred-case-b...

Memory: http://www.dabs.com/products/crucial-4gbkit--2gbx2--240...

Graphics: http://www.dabs.com/products/xfx-ati-radeon-4890-hd-900...

Monitor: http://www.dabs.com/products/samsung-22--wide-sm2243nw-...

Speakers: http://www.dabs.com/products/logitech-s150-digital-usb-...

Total: 741 pounds, that leaves 59 pounds for a keyboard, mouse and DVD-drive.


Anonymous
September 20, 2009 8:08:16 PM

Hey

Thanks for the help. I would definitely consider this spec. Just like to know, why did you prefer the RAM that you have given the OCZ, as the OCZ has a higher speed than the crucial one you have suggested. Else the suggestions you have made look much more convincing to me than my own, and thank-you again for it.

I will definitely consider this and keep it up, but as my build is not going to be strait away, i shall wait and see if any one come up wid other suggestions. Also would you recommend "Dabs". I have a friend who used to use it often or is there any other place you suggest.
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September 20, 2009 8:22:05 PM

Quote:
Hey

Thanks for the help. I would definitely consider this spec. Just like to know, why did you prefer the RAM that you have given the OCZ, as the OCZ has a higher speed than the crucial one you have suggested. Else the suggestions you have made look much more convincing to me than my own, and thank-you again for it.

I will definitely consider this and keep it up, but as my build is not going to be strait away, i shall wait and see if any one come up wid other suggestions. Also would you recommend "Dabs". I have a friend who used to use it often or is there any other place you suggest.


The OCZ memory is faster, but you really won't notice the difference, it's overkill (even for an i5), so I just selected cheaper RAM for you, but if you're into overclocking I recommend getting 1333mhz memory instead of the 1066 memory I suggested.

I don't live on that island of yours (there's a channel separating us), so I don't know anything about the reliability of Dabs.com, but you gotta start somewhere...
September 20, 2009 8:26:06 PM

good build gulli.

to OP: google some good sites for the UK..or ask your friend
Anonymous
September 20, 2009 8:29:46 PM

Thanks man.

As I said before I might consider overclocking. I think its better if i go for the OCZ platinum. As for Dabs and other places, i think i might have to hold up and do some research on that. Unfortunately there are very few shops around where you can go buy this sort of stuff here. Oh yea and I would not consider overclocking strait away, but it would be real nice of you if you could suggest any more cooling equipment
September 20, 2009 8:48:26 PM

Cooler: http://www.dabs.com/products/coolermaster-hyper-212-plu...

And the memory you originally chose will be good if you are into overclocking, but it won't run at 2000mhz since the motherboard won't support it (and getting a mobo that does is expensive and pointless as you won't need anything higher than 1333mhz, even with some serious overclocking.)
September 20, 2009 8:50:35 PM

this thread is pretty much solved.
for overclocking..read some articles regarding performance, temperatures, how to..etc

just noticed gulli's build has a flaw, for 1680 x 1050 monitor you dont need 4890 unless it's for future proof which i dont see much of.
September 20, 2009 8:58:09 PM

overshocks said:
this thread is pretty much solved.
for overclocking..read some articles regarding performance, temperatures, how to..etc

just noticed gulli's build has a flaw, for 1680 x 1050 monitor you dont need 4890 unless it's for future proof which i dont see much of.


Oh yeah, just noticed it myself, replace the monitor with this: http://www.dabs.com/products/best-value-23--l-2362wd-5m...
Anonymous
September 20, 2009 9:47:38 PM

What about the contrast ratio. 1000:1 ?
Anonymous
September 20, 2009 9:52:22 PM

overshocks said:
this thread is pretty much solved.
for overclocking..read some articles regarding performance, temperatures, how to..etc

just noticed gulli's build has a flaw, for 1680 x 1050 monitor you dont need 4890 unless it's for future proof which i dont see much of.



Overshocks. This computer is going to be sumthing for a longer run. I will always aim to upgrade it later on, when it seems necessary.
September 20, 2009 9:56:51 PM

Quote:
What about the contrast ratio. 1000:1 ?


It's good, I have the same ratio on my monitor and I doubt the human eye will notice the difference with higher ratios.
September 20, 2009 9:59:15 PM

Quote:
Overshocks. This computer is going to be sumthing for a longer run. I will always aim to upgrade it later on, when it seems necessary.


You can: the PSU can handle a 5870 as well as any future i5 CPUS's and there's plenty of room for more hard drives or more memory.
Anonymous
September 20, 2009 10:03:52 PM

Thanks again. Hopefully more specs may turn up by the time i do some research on the shops.
Anonymous
September 20, 2009 11:16:54 PM

Gulli said:
Cooler: http://www.dabs.com/products/coolermaster-hyper-212-plu...

And the memory you originally chose will be good if you are into overclocking, but it won't run at 2000mhz since the motherboard won't support it (and getting a mobo that does is expensive and pointless as you won't need anything higher than 1333mhz, even with some serious overclocking.)



sorry to bother you again. But i was just checking the motherboard out and there was no mention of the support for 2000mhz. it does support 2200mhz.
September 20, 2009 11:32:38 PM

Quote:
sorry to bother you again. But i was just checking the motherboard out and there was no mention of the support for 2000mhz. it does support 2200mhz.


Relax, the motherboard won't explode, the memory will just run at the highest speed that both the memory and motherboard can support, most likely that will be 1333mhz or 1600mhz, either way it's enough for a huge overclock.
September 21, 2009 12:59:50 AM

scan and ebuyer are popular retailers. ebuyer offers free delivery so splitting the order won't cost you further delivery chares.

Intel Core i5 750
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Intel-Core-i5-750-Quad-C...(Lynnfield)-8M-Cache-LGA1156-CPU-Retail

Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigabyte-GA-P55M-UD2-Int...

1GB Power Color HD 4890
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-Power-Color-HD-4890-...(x16)-Mem-3900MHz-GDDR5-GPU-850MHz-2x-DL-DVI-I-HDTV

1TB Samsung HD103UJ Spinpoint F1, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1TB-Samsung-HD103UJ-Spin...
Do you really need a 1.5TB HDD? 1TB is plenty for most people.

550w Corsair VX Series PSU
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/550w-Corsair-VX-Series-P...

OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10666 Platinum Kit CL7
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151244

LG GH22NS50 22x SATA DVD±RW Dual Layer & RAM Black Bare Drive
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169683

Antec 300 Three Hundred Black Case
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854

Total = £610.31

That leaves you with £190 for monitor + keyboard/mouse since you already have an OS and speakers.

This is the monitor I have http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160282. It's a thing of beauty and the picture quality is astounding. Has HDMI too, I have both my PC and Xbox 360 hooked up to it.

This Acer monitor looks good for the price http://www.ebuyer.com/product/168571.

What games do you play by the way and what OS do you have?
September 21, 2009 2:12:10 AM

^ bad choice with the video card brand. Power color sucks period.
September 21, 2009 2:15:12 AM

Quote:
Overshocks. This computer is going to be sumthing for a longer run. I will always aim to upgrade it later on, when it seems necessary.


You do know that the i5 build won't be as future proof as i7 build right? clarkdale supports only 1366. which is x58 mobos. basically you can just upgrade video card, unless you upgrade mobo/cpu again
September 21, 2009 2:23:09 AM

It's also around £20 or $30 cheaper than any other 4890. "Powercolor sucks" doesn't justify spending that amount on a better brand.
September 21, 2009 2:48:15 AM

build said:
It's also around £20 or $30 cheaper than any other 4890. "Powercolor sucks" doesn't justify spending that amount on a better brand.


LOL, you have no knowledge in brands do you? Why you think power coler lowers their price and still can't dominate the market share like sapphire or xfx? now go google some reviews. i love how newcomers think they know everything or at least more than us

gulli did a good build already, theres no need to copy it
September 21, 2009 3:23:21 AM

Wow, over-react much? I did not say Powercolor is not an inferior brand. Let me put it to you this way, an ATI 4870 costs almost as much as this Powercolor 4890 here in the UK. I would happily pick the Powercolor 4890 over any 4870 anytime, if they're around the same price.

Also, how did I copy Gulli's build? Mine is similar to Gulli but I used two different retailers to help the OP save more money. I'm from the UK so i know ebuyer.com and scan.co.uk usually have better prices.

I still don't understand why you got so worked up though, your nuts :o 
September 21, 2009 3:29:30 AM

build said:
Wow, over-react much? I did not say Powercolor is not an inferior brand. Let me put it to you this way, an ATI 4870 costs almost as much as this Powercolor 4890 here in the UK. I would happily pick the Powercolor 4890 over any 4870 anytime, if they're around the same price.

Also, how did I copy Gulli's build? Mine is similar to Gulli but I used two different retailers to help the OP save more money. I'm from the UK so i know ebuyer.com and scan.co.uk usually have better prices.

I still don't understand why you got so worked up though, your nuts :o 


of course im nuts look at my name.

"Let me put it to you this way, an ATI 4870 costs almost as much as this Powercolor 4890 here in the UK. I would happily pick the Powercolor 4890 over any 4870 anytime, if they're around the same price."

im talking about 4890 powercolor vs 4890 xfx, not 4870 vs 4890 powercolor

i misread your build, its similar to gulli not copy.
September 21, 2009 3:33:46 AM

I know, I'm saying for the price it's not a bad call. If you had £120 to spend on a graphics card, would you go for let's say an XFX 4870 or a Powercolor 4890???
September 21, 2009 6:02:24 AM

build said:
I know, I'm saying for the price it's not a bad call. If you had £120 to spend on a graphics card, would you go for let's say an XFX 4870 or a Powercolor 4890???


i get what you mean, ill go with powercolor, how much is other 4890s not familiar with uk prices
Anonymous
September 21, 2009 11:40:15 PM

Hey Gulli and overshocks,

Thanks again.

I have been looking up and seems Dabs, Ebuyer, Scan and Misco are good places to get components from. However Dabs does seem to be the cheapest most of the times and their delivery is free as well, so I will be sticking to them for the most. I have made a list of components I need, how their prices compare and what I would prefer.



I have a couple of queries about the GPU and RAM.

Gulli, I did ask you about the 2000Mhz RAM before. I would just like to confirm, that it would be alright if i used it with this Motherboard, which does support 2200Mhz, hence I assume even though it wasnt written, the RAM speed would be fully utilized.

Another query, and hopefully my last was about the GPU. I have listed 3 GPUs in the list above, all of which I am interested in, I have been suggested the XFX by both of you, but I kind of liked the Sapphire ones as well, have no clue of how they line up against each other. As I said I have been of the desktop game for too long now. But Sapphire is a good brand, hence I though of asking you guys.

September 22, 2009 1:41:25 AM

Did you even see any of my posts? :( 

Anyway, for the GPU they're both good brands. I would personally go with XFX since it's the cheapest.

As for the RAM, it would be a good idea to get a low voltage one if you don't want to damage your CPU. You don't need 2000mhz for those kind of uses anyway.

Also the 1TB Samsung F1 HDD i suggested above will offer the same performance as that WD one you picked and it's over £10 cheaper.
Anonymous
September 22, 2009 3:22:11 AM

build said:
Did you even see any of my posts? :( 

Anyway, for the GPU they're both good brands. I would personally go with XFX since it's the cheapest.

As for the RAM, it would be a good idea to get a low voltage one if you don't want to damage your CPU. You don't need 2000mhz for those kind of uses anyway.

Also the 1TB Samsung F1 HDD i suggested above will offer the same performance as that WD one you picked and it's over £10 cheaper.



Build

Yea I did, I am not sure if there is any similarity to the build above or not. Also you have suggested suing scan and ebuyer but both of them charge for postage. Scan aint all that bad. but ebuyer is quite expensive. Hence i just took the WD as that is from dabs. So that comes down to product +postage or product + free postage.

As for the RAM, I was thinking of OC hence the higher speed. And spending the extra right now, means i might be able to go a bit furthr before having to upgrade. after all its not just how many gigs of ram u have.
September 22, 2009 5:30:59 AM

Quote:
Hey Gulli and overshocks,

Thanks again.

I have been looking up and seems Dabs, Ebuyer, Scan and Misco are good places to get components from. However Dabs does seem to be the cheapest most of the times and their delivery is free as well, so I will be sticking to them for the most. I have made a list of components I need, how their prices compare and what I would prefer.

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1390/systembuild.jpg

I have a couple of queries about the GPU and RAM.

Gulli, I did ask you about the 2000Mhz RAM before. I would just like to confirm, that it would be alright if i used it with this Motherboard, which does support 2200Mhz, hence I assume even though it wasnt written, the RAM speed would be fully utilized.

Another query, and hopefully my last was about the GPU. I have listed 3 GPUs in the list above, all of which I am interested in, I have been suggested the XFX by both of you, but I kind of liked the Sapphire ones as well, have no clue of how they line up against each other. As I said I have been of the desktop game for too long now. But Sapphire is a good brand, hence I though of asking you guys.



you dont need 2000 mhz ram because 2000mhz has high latency timings so the performance is equal to 1600 mhz ram with lower latency timings..and 1600 ram IS CHEAPER. are you mainly gaming or no? i would suggest 1333 ram with good timings.


xfx or sapphire it doesnt matter as long as it's the same model / product..make sure to compare the speeds..post links if you want me to confirm.


September 25, 2009 10:09:46 PM

overshocks said:
you dont need 2000 mhz ram because 2000mhz has high latency timings so the performance is equal to 1600 mhz ram with lower latency timings..and 1600 ram IS CHEAPER. are you mainly gaming or no? i would suggest 1333 ram with good timings.


xfx or sapphire it doesnt matter as long as it's the same model / product..make sure to compare the speeds..post links if you want me to confirm.



Hey,

I am looking to final this build. So I can start looking at my finances (Parents) for it.

I am going to get everything from Dabs by the looks of it. Makes life easy, get everything from once source. The only difference is that I might end up paying a tener her or there. When Im looking to spend 850 Quid odd, 10-20 pounds wdnt hurt as much. Considering that I will have to pay for delivery at other places.

So finally looks like I am going with the final list.

Cabinet - Antec 300 Black -
http://www.dabs.com/products/antec-three-hundred-case-b...

PSU - Corsair Memory 550W -
http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair-memory-550w-vx-psu...

Motherboard - Gigabyte S1156 Intel P55 Chipset -
http://www.dabs.com/products/gigabyte-s1156-intel-p55-m...

Processor - Core i5-750 2.66 Ghz -
http://www.dabs.com/products/intel-core-i5-750-quad-cor...

GPU - XFX ATI R4890 1GB -
http://www.dabs.com/products/xfx-ati-radeon-4890-hd-900...

Hard drive - Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM -
http://www.dabs.com/products/samsung-1tb-7200rpm-32mb-s...

- Extras -

USB Hub - StarTech.com Value 6 Port USB 2.0 PCI card -
http://www.dabs.com/products/startech-com-value-6-port-...

Wireless - Linksys Wireless-N PCI -
http://www.dabs.com/products/linksys-by-cisco-wireless-...

DVD-Writer - Best Value Sony 24x Internal DVDRW SATA Black -
http://www.dabs.com/products/best-value-sony-24x-intern...

As you can see above, I havent gotten RAM and A Optical drive in there. As you know I have been asking a lot above about the RAM.

My initial choice was OCZ Platinum 2X2 gb 2000 Mhz (http://www.dabs.com/products/ocz-technology-ddr3-4gb--2...). This ram Cost about 70 pounds. You say thats an over kill. So can you give direct me with a replacement for it. I am not to educated in RAM, and ECC/Non-ECC and Buffered/Non-Buffered RAM doesnt make much sense to me. So would Corsair 2X2 GB 1600Mhz Unbuffered do(http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair-memory-4gb--2x2gb-...).

If you also there is only a difference of 2 pounds in the price. So is it difference worth the drop or gain in performance.

Thank-You.
September 25, 2009 10:55:19 PM

RAM http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166463. ebuyer does free delivery too

Are you sure you need that many USB's? There should be at least 6 on the back of the mobo and 2 more at the front of the case.

Everything else looks alright
September 25, 2009 10:57:13 PM

build said:
RAM http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166463. ebuyer does free delivery too

Are you sure you need that many USB's? There should be at least 6 on the back of the mobo and 2 more at the front of the case.

Everything else looks alright



Oh!!! Well may be I can get rid of that. Can You have a look at the RAM bit below, Please.
September 25, 2009 11:10:43 PM

Cheers... I think that marks the end of this topic... thank-you. will let you know, how it goes...
September 27, 2009 3:21:50 PM

build said:
RAM http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166463. ebuyer does free delivery too

Are you sure you need that many USB's? There should be at least 6 on the back of the mobo and 2 more at the front of the case.

Everything else looks alright



I was just about to order, and have noticed that the Antec 300 is a ATX and my mobo was a micro ATX. Neither does the specs on the Antec 300 say it supports micro ATX forms.

Would the ASUS P55 S1156 do.

http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-s1156-intel-p55-atx-d...

or if you could suggest something else. Also, do i need a static wrist band and thermal cooling gel for the stock heat sync
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